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Date: June 28th, 2008 6:46 PM Author: comical tan fortuitous meteor meetinghouse Subject: Duke still step below top schools
© Copyright 2008 The Chronicle
focus on | admissions By: Neal SenGupta
Duke has long prided itself on having both a top-notch social life and elite academics that rival its Ivy League counterparts.
Historically considered the best U.S. academic institutions, the eight Ivy League schools, Stanford University and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology also represent Duke's closest undergraduate competition.
But are Duke's undergraduates as good as Harvard students and the rest of the Ivy League-ers? Yes and no, according to academic indicators such as SAT scores, popular college rankings, numbers of National Merit Scholars and graduate placement.
According to the Office of Undergraduate Admissions and Chronicle research, Harvard, MIT, Princeton, Stanford and Yale effectively comprise the "best of the best" in U.S. academics, and Duke lags behind in almost every category.
Christoph Guttentag, dean of undergraduate admissions, said data indicates that for the classes of 2008 and 2009, about 85 percent of students accepted to Duke and one of the five institutions that fall in the first group of competing schools--a group for which Guttentag uses the acronym "H-Y-P-S-M"--did not choose Duke.
"The numbers vary from year to year but stay in fairly defined ranges," Guttentag wrote in an e-mail.
Yet by many measures, Duke ranks on par with the rest of the Ivy League-in particular, Brown, Columbia, Dartmouth and Penn.
During the last two years, Guttentag said data indicates that between 40 and 60 percent of students accepted to Duke and one of the second group of competing schools chose Duke.
Duke enrolls between 75 and 90 percent of cross-admitted students from the third group of top competitors, which includes Cornell, Northwestern and Georgetown.
From data collected by U.S. News and World Report's annual rankings of the top colleges, Duke's 25th- to 75th-percentile SAT scores range from 1360 to 1540, a figure that places the University in the middle of what many view as its top 11 competitors. The data was collected for the class of 2009.
Though among the highest in the nation, Duke's average SAT scores are still behind the top H-Y-P-S-M schools.
But Guttentag said he does not heavily emphasize average SAT scores.
"I'm not sure these are significant differences [in SAT scores]," Guttentag said. He pointed out that scores are dependent on many variables, citing the percentage of students in different academic disciplines and the percentage of international students as examples. "I'd say these data are another indicator that Duke students as a whole are academically roughly comparable to students at these other schools," he said.
Duke also attracts the sixth-most National Merit Scholars on the list of top competitors, based on the 2005 scholarship competition results released by the National Merit Scholarship Corporation. In 2005, Duke enrolled 117 National Merit Scholars, again behind the top five but ahead of all other schools.
When asked if Duke monopolizes National Merit Scholars in the South or Southeast, Guttentag replied that "there are advantages to being perceived as perhaps the most... prestigious university in a region... the way Stanford is on the West Coast. The ability to attract outstanding students from that region is one of them."
U.S. News, which ranks American universities and focuses on factors such as student selectivity, faculty resources and peer assessment, placed Duke eighth this year, ahead of Brown, Columbia, Cornell and Dartmouth but again behind the top five.
The Times Higher Education Supplement is an international ranking published from London. It placed Duke at 11th in the world in 2005-once again, behind Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford and MIT, among private U.S. universities.
The THES Rankings focus on academic reviews, surveys of global corporate recruiters and faculty resources.
The Wall Street Journal feeder ranking also puts Duke behind Harvard, Yale, Princeton and Stanford. The Wall Street Journal surveyed what it considered to be the five top medical schools, law schools and business schools and recorded the undergraduate school of enrolling students.
Duke is ranked sixth overall, putting it ahead of Brown, Columbia, Cornell, Penn and MIT in terms of sending undergraduates to the 15 professional schools on the survey.
Duke ranks higher than five Ivy League schools, even though nine of the 15 survey schools are Ivy League graduate programs.
Rankings and statistics all point to a similar trend: Duke consistently ranks as one of the top schools in the nation in terms of academics, but still lags behind the perennial scholarly powerhouses of Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford and MIT.
Even so, every year some students, such as junior Megan Braley, opt to turn down top-five schools for Duke.
As a high school senior, Braley wasn't certain what she wanted to study, but "applied [to schools] that had high-quality programs in many disciplines."
At the end of the college application process, she was admitted to many elite schools and narrowed her list down to Duke, the University of Virginia and Princeton.
In an online correspondence, Braley said Princeton was attractive because of its prestige and the potential post-graduation benefits, such as alumni connections and higher rates of admission to graduate school.
"I was afraid I would regret passing up the opportunity to go to such a highly regarded university," Braley said.
This year, Princeton was ranked first overall in the U.S. News rankings and surpassed Duke in most academic categories.
However, Braley said she still felt Duke was a better choice for her.
"At Duke... I instantly met far more people who I could picture being my friends," Braley said, though she admits she might not have gotten the full picture of life at Princeton during her visits.
She said she feels Duke is not far behind Princeton. "The academic and career opportunities offered at Duke could certainly compare to those at Princeton," she said.
Sophomore Christine Smith found herself deciding between Duke, MIT and Penn.
Though MIT is statistically stronger than Duke, Smith chose to attend Duke.
"The people at MIT seemed much more concerned with life after college than actually enjoying their time in college," Smith said. "Duke students can have fun, but they also know when it's time to work."
Both Braley and Smith represent a minority of students. Though many top students aim for one of the H-Y-P-S-M schools. they do not have the luxury of choosing between those schools and Duke.
For example, sophomore Moses Lee chose to attend Duke over Columbia and Cornell.
"The academics at Duke and Columbia seemed pretty even to me," Lee said. "But I chose Duke because it fit me better-Duke's campus was much nicer, the academics were more flexible. It just seemed easier to have a good time at Duke."
But Duke was not Lee's first choice.
Lee, interested in top engineering programs, applied to Stanford and said he "would have probably gone [to Stanford]" if he had been taken off the waitlist.
Still, Lee said he has few regrets about being at Duke. "I knew Duke was the place for me," he said.
Though many students accepted to other schools do not choose to attend Duke, Guttentag said he feels the University continues to attract the right type of student.
"Duke is a special place," said Guttentag. "There are many students who find it just the right match for them."
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Date: June 28th, 2008 11:15 PM Author: Vibrant Wrinkle Duke has long prided itself on having both a top-notch *social life* and elite academics that rival its Ivy League counterparts.
lol, duke gave up social life in the 90s when it decided to become a good school. it's the same shit you'll find at the ivies except a) way more azns and b) annoying geeks pretending they've always cared about basketball |
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Date: June 29th, 2008 3:23 AM Author: poppy balding mother that article is depressingly...practical? i dunno
i think the big point is true...Duke is just behind HYPSM - but that position is in contention, its its still competing (and mostly a draw) with the rest of the ivies: brown, dart, penn, etc. |
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Date: June 29th, 2008 1:01 PM Author: scarlet abode Subject: This is only partly true. While the data set for the Revealed Preferences Survey is about several generations of college admissions removed from the original findings, at least vis a vis Brown, the data has been remarkably consistent in the cross-admit battle with Duke. Brown will this battle more than 70% of the time, and for small aspects of the school, such as PLME, Brown pretty much never loses cross-admits to Duke. It does vary from year to year. Some years Brown wins as much as 75%, and some years its closer to 70%, but in no case has it been lower than 70% since the 2000 admissions cycle. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=830094&forum_id=1#9929533) |
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Date: June 29th, 2008 1:45 PM Author: Apoplectic appetizing cuck Duke loses the common admit battle to every ivy, including cornell, according to that study. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=830094&forum_id=1#9929587) |
Date: June 28th, 2008 11:39 PM Author: Apoplectic appetizing cuck i thought duke lost (narrowly) the common admit battle to cornell? At least, that's what that famous study from a few years ago indicated. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=830094&forum_id=1#9928691) |
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Date: June 29th, 2008 8:20 AM Author: Aqua hot university knife I enjoyed the blatant and completely casual Cornell burn in the article...
"Yet by many measures, Duke ranks on par with the rest of the Ivy League-in particular, Brown, Columbia, Dartmouth and Penn."
OH SNAP |
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Date: June 29th, 2008 1:42 PM Author: Apoplectic appetizing cuck of course, the Duke admissions guy is going to bash a school that steals its admits. Nothing surprising there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=830094&forum_id=1#9929583) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2008 11:32 PM Author: Aqua hot university knife It was the article author, not the Duke admissions guy. It would have been funny if it had been the Duke dude, though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=830094&forum_id=1#9940398) |
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Date: June 29th, 2008 12:24 PM Author: Mentally impaired swashbuckling clown The NY Times article references a simulation of college choices from 1999. It's not a reflection of anyone's actual college decision and it's out of date.
At the end of the day, Cornell is a step behind the Penn/Duke/Dartmouth/Columbia group and 2 steps behind HYPSM |
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Date: June 29th, 2008 1:42 PM Author: Apoplectic appetizing cuck at the end of the day I chose cornell over duke. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=830094&forum_id=1#9929585) |
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Date: June 30th, 2008 7:46 AM Author: Mentally impaired swashbuckling clown Must feel good to take the less chosen path...but there's no need to try to justify your decision by citing 1. an outdated simulation of potential college admission decisions that has been repudiated numerous times and then 2. Stating your own decision
That said, your individual decision is a more robust analysis than the NY Times study you reference. At least you are one real data point...and presumably you made the decision more recently than 1999 |
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Date: June 30th, 2008 11:38 AM Author: Apoplectic appetizing cuck most of my friends made the similar choices. penn over duke, wustl over duke, nu over duke, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=830094&forum_id=1#9931860) |
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Date: June 30th, 2008 4:33 PM Author: Mentally impaired swashbuckling clown You have no credibility. WUSTL? Maybe over SUNY-Ithaca (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=830094&forum_id=1#9932506) |
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Date: June 30th, 2008 9:19 PM Author: Apoplectic appetizing cuck sorry about your little pink life choices bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=830094&forum_id=1#9933528) |
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Date: June 30th, 2008 8:54 AM Author: cobalt fighting old irish cottage ...and you are no worse off than you would have been had you decided on Duke. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=830094&forum_id=1#9931594) |
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Date: June 28th, 2008 11:46 PM Author: cobalt fighting old irish cottage 2 weeks ago, you had your sights set on Northwestern. Now Duke. Is Stanford next? Or possibly Johns Hopkins? Who knows which campus will be the next target of NYCFan's personal insecurity? An even more important question: will anybody on said campus actually care?
My money's on "no." |
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Date: June 28th, 2008 11:58 PM Author: Vigorous Piazza Partner Oddly, I found this article mildly interesting. I think it is impressive that a school turned itself around from a Southern beer hole circa the late 70's to an institution that now has serious credibility even amongst academics.
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Date: June 29th, 2008 12:19 AM Author: cobalt fighting old irish cottage This I can buy. What's interesting is that Duke has ostensibly undergone 3 reinventions since its founding. Although it has 19th-century roots, it didn't really exist in earnest until the 1930s, when it re-invented itself as a university in the contemporary sense, and not just as a divinity school/convent. It then re-invented itself between 1980 and today, when it went from what you describe as a "southern beer hole" to a top national university. The third was a reinvention within a reinvention, when it simultaneously began to market itself not only as an academic powerhouse, but as an athletic power as well.
This, I find impressive. I find NYCFan's insecure trollery, however, a bit tiresome, even if it does occasionally give rise to interesting tidbits of information. |
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Date: June 29th, 2008 12:16 AM Author: wild floppy nursing home legal warrant Subject: timely As the South grows economically and politically Duke -- as the sole credible Southern school -- will rise. The Ivies are all scrunched into the Northeast. Stanford rules the West. As the South rises so will Duke. Its present is strong and its future is very bright. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=830094&forum_id=1#9928804) |
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Date: June 29th, 2008 12:20 AM Author: cobalt fighting old irish cottage I also think that U. of Florida's future is particularly bright as the Berkeley or Michigan of the South. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=830094&forum_id=1#9928815) |
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Date: June 29th, 2008 1:12 AM Author: exhilarant lavender doctorate LMAO (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=830094&forum_id=1#9928915) |
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Date: June 29th, 2008 2:13 AM Author: Vibrant Wrinkle wtf
anti-unc/uva troll |
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Date: June 29th, 2008 10:37 AM Author: cobalt fighting old irish cottage I think that UF is on its way to being on par with those schools in terms of faculty/research quality. It's a step below them in selectivity, but it's not as far behind as you think. At worst, UF is going to be on the level of a UW-Madison.
I have no allegiance to UF, by the way. This is just my personal speculation on its future, based on what I've seen/read. |
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Date: June 29th, 2008 10:59 AM Author: comical tan fortuitous meteor meetinghouse Subject: See p. 18 of 236 pp. http://mup.asu.edu/research2007.pdf (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=830094&forum_id=1#9929398) |
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Date: June 29th, 2008 12:50 PM Author: cobalt fighting old irish cottage Slightly better than UVA by this measure, and just below UCLA, Cal, UW-Madison, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=830094&forum_id=1#9929511) |
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Date: June 29th, 2008 1:20 PM Author: comical tan fortuitous meteor meetinghouse Subject: See also THIS ranking: http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=825921&mc=3&forum_id=1 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=830094&forum_id=1#9929557) |
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Date: June 29th, 2008 12:56 AM Author: Apoplectic appetizing cuck Vandy is also on the rise (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=830094&forum_id=1#9928877) |
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Date: June 29th, 2008 1:12 AM Author: exhilarant lavender doctorate Please don't make me laugh. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=830094&forum_id=1#9928914) |
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Date: June 29th, 2008 11:37 AM Author: Glittery crackhouse Subject: Vandy is not the same as Duke Duke has always had a good national and international reputation, and its professional programs are all in the top 10. Vandy has had a surge in interests, mainly because of the rising college bound population, its acceptance rate will go down and more people will apply, but its reputation as a southern school will stay that way, a quarter of the school are education majors, you can't be a prestige school when your best program is education. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=830094&forum_id=1#9929423) |
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Date: June 29th, 2008 12:59 PM Author: Razzmatazz Splenetic Legend titcr finally someone agreeing with me in viewing Columbia as not being a prestige school. |
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Date: June 29th, 2008 1:30 PM Author: Galvanic Masturbator places like columbia and georgetown are competitive to get into because of their locations and lay reputations. but they not as good academically as some other schools. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=830094&forum_id=1#9929573) |
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Date: June 29th, 2008 1:42 PM Author: Razzmatazz Splenetic Legend for some reason every time i see yur handle i keep thinking you would be my frat brother. anyways, yeah i think Columbia is pretttttty shitty. |
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Date: August 1st, 2008 1:50 PM Author: Arousing Resort Useless Brakes Columbia > Harvard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=830094&forum_id=1#10027959) |
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Date: June 29th, 2008 2:14 AM Author: Vibrant Wrinkle by your logic Rice should be up there with HYPSMC by now because it's in texas, the state which has boomed the most over the last two decades (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=830094&forum_id=1#9929074) |
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Date: June 29th, 2008 2:59 AM Author: Galvanic Masturbator right, as the south rises, yeah whatever. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=830094&forum_id=1#9929172) |
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Date: June 29th, 2008 11:46 AM Author: Learning Disabled Amethyst Church Building Police Squad Subject: So where does Duke fall as of now? Elite or not? A notch behind HYPSMC? It's national reputation has risen as well as its international reputation too.
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Date: June 29th, 2008 11:59 AM Author: wild floppy nursing home legal warrant Atlanta, increasingly large and geographically varied sections of Virginia, and much of North Carolina's piedmont are definitely on the rise. Yes, huge regions of the South are still economically depressed. And yes, Southerners most likely to choose Duke because it's in the South are the people who would not be able to get into Duke in the first place.
Good point about Rice. What went wrong there?
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Date: July 31st, 2008 6:10 PM Author: aquamarine brethren Subject: you failed to mention metro greenville and clemson U! what are you somekind of nudnik frat boy? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=830094&forum_id=1#10026095) |
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Date: June 29th, 2008 1:02 PM Author: Razzmatazz Splenetic Legend actually um doesn't Duke really kinda suck and it only really got good b/c USNews gave it the "regional powerhouse" boost (similar to Stanford and I guess WashU?) I mean, it def got rankings it didn't belong and then got mad nat'l interest and dumb HS kids with high SATs that were like "oh duke is a real good school because i don't know anything about it but it's ranked high so it must be good" all applying there and raising their avg SAT scores so that it LOOKS like they belong.
i mean come the motherfucking hell on. the quality of kids that Duke attracted was far from being par to the quality of kids that Penn/D/B/Col attracted
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Date: June 30th, 2008 8:53 AM Author: cobalt fighting old irish cottage Stanford is a super-elite by any measure. Duke lies in that big grey area just slightly below the Penn tier of the Ivies and above Emory, Vandy, etc. It's really not hard to place it, IMHO.
In fact, I'd say that my above comment even represents too much hair splitting. There's a big cluster of schools below the super-elites that encompasses Penn/Duke/Cornell/JHU/UChicago/Northwestern/Rice/Georgetown (yes, I said Georgetown--forget US News for a moment) and maybe Emory (you could argue that Berkeley and UVa also belong in this group). You can say that Duke might be toward the upper end of this cluster, but I think that's about as specific as you can get. |
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Date: June 30th, 2008 10:42 PM Author: dashing native If anything, quality of kids at Duke is BETTER than PDBC considering it's highest ranked in the WSJ Top Feeder survey, has the most Natl Merit Scholars every year, plus most Rhodes, Marshall, Truman scholars over the last twenty-so years and beats all in the Putnam (the closest thing to an NCAA for academics). I mean come the motherfucking hell on dude with the hilarious/insane syntax (that don't par with the belong of autoadmit attracted)
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Date: June 30th, 2008 10:48 PM Author: cobalt fighting old irish cottage Eh...not sure I would be so quick to raise Duke to the level of a Columbia or even Dartmouth. Remember, in a vacuum, WUSTL also has an impressive student body. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=830094&forum_id=1#9933742) |
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Date: July 1st, 2008 12:30 AM Author: Vibrant Wrinkle duke = non HYP ivies for most things. unless you really want to get into BIGBAKING (wharton) or BIGBME (dook) there's not much difference between any of them in terms of prestige/job opps/whatever (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=830094&forum_id=1#9934051) |
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Date: July 1st, 2008 9:51 AM Author: Mentally impaired swashbuckling clown The anti-Duke contingent on this board is hilarious. Look, I went to Hopkins, I was rejected by Duke, so if anything I should be bitter about it. But it bears repeating:
1. There's HYPS and MIT. 2. A step behind, there's Brown, Columbia, Duke, Dartmouth, and Penn 3. A step behind level 2, there's Cornell, your beloved Northwestern, my beloved JHU, and Chicago. Maybe WUSTL and Gtown 4. Then there's Vandy, Emory, Rice, Notre Dame, Michigan, etc
Does it make a difference between tiers? Some but you can make it from anywhere. My girlfriend picked Colgate over Cornell and she's fine.
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Date: July 1st, 2008 9:59 AM Author: cobalt fighting old irish cottage I'm no anti-Duke troll. Your tiers look pretty accurate. I might elevate Columbia and Dartmouth from where you have them, or raise Rice, but it's splitting hairs, as I've said in earlier posts. There's no real difference between my perspective on this and yours, it seems. Obviously, somebody who chooses Colgate over Cornell isn't placing themselves at any significant handicap. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=830094&forum_id=1#9934899) |
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Date: July 1st, 2008 10:08 AM Author: doobsian honey-headed hominid puppy You're listing is far to skewed by the joke that people call selectivity. A listing more reflective of academic quality, raw student potential, and what these schools do with the kids (leadership opportunities, grad school and employment trends, public service [it's not just about making money]), intellectual/research impact etc. is as follows:
1 Harvard Stanford (full peers)
1.5 Yale MIT Princeton (in that order)
2 CalTech
2.5 Berkeley (much much higher on research/academics alone)
3 Penn Columbia Chicago Cornell Duke (in that order)
3.5 Michigan
4 JHU Brown
5 Dartmouth Northwestern
6 Carnegie Mellon WUStl UCLA
6.5 Gtown
7 Emory Vandy Rice Notre Dame USC UC San Diego
In general, the strongest collection of schools outside of the Ivy Plus crowd (which is 8 plus S and M) are the U Cal schools. I don't know enough to rank each of them, but they are all great institutions. And I don't give much of a rat's *** about selectivity. UC has had a greater impact research wise on America in the last 50 years than just about any other academic conference/grouping in the nation. |
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Date: July 1st, 2008 10:11 AM Author: cobalt fighting old irish cottage Ah, the rare CMU mention. I like it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=830094&forum_id=1#9934923) |
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Date: July 1st, 2008 7:32 PM Author: crawly orchid windowlicker Subject: Roughly correct. In that 4th catagory however, there are about 30 other schools you can throw in..seriously. I'd also move Rice up to level 3. Also, if you're sure you want to do finance, you can put in Wharton with HYPSM. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=830094&forum_id=1#9936231) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2008 3:50 PM Author: doobsian honey-headed hominid puppy Nope. Wharton is part of the University of Pennsylvania. Lock, stock and barrel. To suggest otherwise is just silliness - that's like saying take the business school at Michigan at put it in the top class; or taking the arts programs at Yale and creating a new #1 level (Yale arts is even more of a sector leader than H or S are among the super elite schools).
And, sorry but Rice is not level 3; I know of no data which can substantiate that. |
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Date: July 1st, 2008 12:28 AM Author: Vibrant Wrinkle it's also the only one to give out full rides... you have a very elite group of about 40 recruited students (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=830094&forum_id=1#9934043) |
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Date: July 1st, 2008 11:06 AM Author: Razzmatazz Splenetic Legend by definition this puts duke in the class of striver universities that would rather raise SAT scores to accept herbs than to commit itself to dole out financial aid or hand out undergraduate research grants (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=830094&forum_id=1#9935037) |
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Date: July 1st, 2008 11:08 AM Author: Razzmatazz Splenetic Legend ok so you totally just illustrated the point about Duke filling that giant gaping twat that is secondary education south of the Mason Dixon. Remember that NMS and Rhodes are geographically scattered, right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=830094&forum_id=1#9935045) |
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Date: July 1st, 2008 12:22 PM Author: comical tan fortuitous meteor meetinghouse
http://www.k-state.edu/media/achievements/scholarstop10of5.pdf |
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Date: July 31st, 2008 6:04 PM Author: aquamarine brethren Subject: quality kids?? I have a friend who decided on Swarthmore, but got into Harvard and was a National Merit scholar. He now works in a bakery and probably will for life. Not a bad quality kid either. I don't like the breads from his bakery btw. Sad, all a round fro all concerned. Quality kids don't just go to law school or into medicine, academics. No sometimes they do simple things like baking. Also I know from driving a cab in Boston during my time as a student, that there are a lot of quality students even in a school like Tufts, or BU for crying out loud. I prefer NC to Duke too. You fools don't have a clue. Met a locksmith in boston with a Harvard degree. Great locksmith. not inventive...just solid workmanship and good low pay. Thank god for all those MBAs and lawyers harvard keeps shitting out... keeping thie overall averages high! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=830094&forum_id=1#10026082) |
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Date: August 1st, 2008 12:52 PM Author: alcoholic trip trailer park regret FLAME (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=830094&forum_id=1#10027877) |
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Date: August 1st, 2008 5:55 PM Author: aquamarine brethren Subject: "FLAME"?? I felt nothing! Ineffectual worms, all of you. |
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Date: July 31st, 2008 5:27 PM Author: aquamarine brethren Subject: what a bunch of blow hards. you all sounds so confident in your stupid generalizations. ..but since you are talking about Duke, more or less, it's ironic how much your ratings make me think of basketball....top 10, do say. |
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Date: June 29th, 2008 1:44 PM Author: Apoplectic appetizing cuck duke is on par with jhu, emory, vandy and gtown. A good school, but no Ivy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=830094&forum_id=1#9929586) |
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Date: June 29th, 2008 1:45 PM Author: Vibrant Wrinkle you must be a faggot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=830094&forum_id=1#9929589) |
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Date: June 29th, 2008 1:51 PM Author: Razzmatazz Splenetic Legend nah dude, he's on spot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=830094&forum_id=1#9929594) |
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Date: July 31st, 2008 5:52 PM Author: aquamarine brethren Subject: uh? you stink. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=830094&forum_id=1#10026046) |
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Date: June 29th, 2008 2:13 PM Author: exhilarant lavender doctorate Duke is on par with JHU and Chicago, but ahead of Vandy and Emory. But at that point, it's hardly worth trying to differentiate one shit school from another. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=830094&forum_id=1#9929607) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2008 5:46 AM Author: Misunderstood boyish lodge really tough guy I'd easily take Chicago over Duke for academics. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=830094&forum_id=1#9937835) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2008 9:45 AM Author: cobalt fighting old irish cottage Would you be able to handle going to school with so many Jews? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=830094&forum_id=1#9937932) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2008 10:24 AM Author: Misunderstood boyish lodge really tough guy No problem at all (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=830094&forum_id=1#9937975) |
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Date: July 31st, 2008 5:51 PM Author: aquamarine brethren Subject: oh really? and what academics are we comparing? You like the great books? Philosophy perhaps, social sciences? The Chicago school and economics. Pre-law perhaps at chicago might be more sturdy academically speaking. com'on man, fuck the slow typing, make yourself clear! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=830094&forum_id=1#10026044) |
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Date: July 31st, 2008 5:46 PM Author: aquamarine brethren Subject: is that based on anything what the fuck is a "good school" or a "great school"? please define what you mean by this? I doubt any of you really know, actually? However, in the first thread on this site I see a list of schools ranked based on how much $ their grads make in a career. Now that isn't completely full proof with other data related to geography, gender, occupations, etc, but it a start. By the way I think Brown is an outstanding school. Why because it's pretty. You can take art at RISD, and its only a few block from good food. On the other hand I think Yale is much better than Princeton, but Harvard is even better because I think location counts. Duke is boring in this regard. But there is good bbq around there so I like it anyway. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=830094&forum_id=1#10026032) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2008 5:49 AM Author: Misunderstood boyish lodge really tough guy |
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Date: July 2nd, 2008 5:51 AM Author: Misunderstood boyish lodge really tough guy Where is CALTECH?! At least say HYPSMC. In fact, many HYPSM students would struggle at Caltech. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=830094&forum_id=1#9937839) |
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Date: July 6th, 2008 2:32 PM Author: seedy point yarmulke exactly, this article is complete crap. it attempts to rank schools "according to academic indicators such as SAT scores," and then leaves out the one school that's had the highest SAT scores in the country for decades. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=830094&forum_id=1#9949186) |
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Date: July 8th, 2008 10:05 AM Author: Provocative effete forum Subject: wtf! When asked if Duke monopolizes National Merit Scholars in the South or Southeast, Guttentag replied that "there are advantages to being perceived as perhaps the most... prestigious university in a region... the way Stanford is on the West Coast. The ability to attract outstanding students from that region is one of them."
waiwaiwaiwaiwait... being the most prestigious university in the south is on par with being summa JD at cooley |
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Date: August 1st, 2008 2:02 PM Author: Arousing Resort Useless Brakes duke is absolutely ttt, slightly better than wustl and emory. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=830094&forum_id=1#10027976) |