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Rank Prestige of Harvard College, HBS, HLS, HMS
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Date: June 7th, 2007 7:05 PM Author: Lavender Impressive Kitty Cat Lay Subject: Rank Prestige of Harvard College, HBS, HLS, HMS Let’s start with the easy one first. Last place must go to the law school. Although HLS is probably among the top three law schools in the country along with Yale and Stanford, the upstarts in New Haven have such a clear edge that HLS cannot even begin to make the argument that it is the best law school. I think HLS is the only one of the four Harvard schools that cannot even make a weak claim to number one in the nation. So it brings up the rear.
The next easiest call is HMS. Although, to their credit, medical schools do not seem to obsess with rankings the same way colleges and other professional schools do, HMS conducts a breadth of research and has a base of funding that nobody else can really touch. Hopkins has a lot of history behind it but in terms of who is pushing the state of medicine forward today, HMS is the undisputed leader. It must rank at the top of the four Harvard schools.
HBS and Harvard College are the two more difficult to rank. Here’s how I compare them. HBS leads other business schools in terms of senior executives in American industry and in terms of research budget. But some pundits do not rank it as the top business school for a variety of reasons. While HBS may or may not win a majority of votes from knowledgeable observers as the number one business school, there cannot be any doubt that it would at least win a plurality of votes. The other first-place votes would be scattered too widely for any rival to surpass HBS.
Harvard College is arguably within the top three colleges in America (HYP) and has the draw of a bigger “name” than its two main rivals. But so much of the “name” is a positive by-product of its association with its world famous graduate schools. When you get down to ranking undergraduate institution versus undergraduate institution, Harvard’s edge is less clear. While Harvard, Yale, Princeton and perhaps even Stanford would receive votes as the single best college in America, I think Princeton would get the most. No college would likely get a majority but, unlike HBS, I do not think that Harvard College even wins a plurality.
The ranking described above hinges upon the legitimacy and credibility of each school’s claim to the top position in the country and whether there is a single rival that has a stronger claim. What is notable is the powerful way each of the four schools benefits from the prestige of its Harvard peers. This synergy from a single brand name creates greater renown and a higher applicant yield for each division. (This observation also highlights Princeton’s achievement in topping the US News college rankings for seven or eight years without the support of big name professional schools, an anomaly on that list.)
So using this methodology, I derive this ranking: 1. HMS 2. HBS 3. Harvard College 4. HLS
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Date: June 7th, 2007 7:09 PM Author: Massive university pocket flask Very good. Now, using this list, derive each of the transcendental categories. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8227349) |
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Date: September 20th, 2007 2:22 PM Author: idiotic headpube dingle berry HMS>>>>HBS>>>HLS>>>>>>>>>>>>>HUG (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8667099) |
Date: June 7th, 2007 8:12 PM Author: titillating shitlib puppy HMS>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>HLS=HBS>>>>>>>>>HUG (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8227584) |
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Date: June 7th, 2007 8:54 PM Author: Mind-boggling emerald weed whacker http://www.lawschool100.com/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8227791) |
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Date: June 7th, 2007 8:55 PM Author: titillating shitlib puppy ...? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8227801) |
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Date: June 28th, 2007 12:56 PM Author: coral toaster nursing home I know I like to get information on schools from rankings which are "Based on Qualitative, Rather Than Quantitative, Criteria", have 50 advertisements on them, and look like they were designed by an 8th grader! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8311669) |
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Date: June 28th, 2007 1:49 PM Author: titillating shitlib puppy titcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8311885) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 12:38 AM Author: pink arrogant potus immigrant rancid HLS trolling (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8314671) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2007 4:23 PM Author: Odious sex offender Says the median HBS student with the undergrad GPA of 3.6 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8421563) |
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Date: August 15th, 2007 7:19 PM Author: pink arrogant potus immigrant better than going into law (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8520016) |
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Date: June 15th, 2007 2:10 PM Author: Lavender Impressive Kitty Cat Lay I clicked on the link from the poster above and also did a little more research. I am ready to concede that my original assertion about HLS was too strong. There are in fact some knowledgeable observers who would rank Harvard as the best law school in the country. (In addition, “Harvard Law” still has a cachet to it in the popular culture that “Yale Law” or “Stanford Law” does not, although my focus is on academics and other experts, not laymen.)
So the question is, would HLS receive better overall marks than Harvard College? Based upon surveys such as the one above and other ubiquitous rankings such as US News, I think that experts in the field, if asked to nominate the single best law school in America, would answer approximately as follows:
1. Yale Law School 60% 2. Harvard Law School 30% 3. Stanford Law / Other 10%
Similarly, based on review of various college rankings, I think that a question on which is the best undergraduate college in the country would elicit the following responses:
1. Princeton University 40% 2. Harvard College 30% 3. Yale University 20% 4. Stanford / Other 10%
Thus, while I retract my earlier statement that HLS cannot make even a weak claim to be the top law school, I reiterate my comparative point that Harvard College has a better case to make in its field than HLS does. In particular, I think that Princeton’s lead over Harvard College is not as dominant as Yale Law School’s over HLS.
Completing the exercise for the other two professional schools in this exercise, I believe that the answer for medical schools would appear as follows:
1. Harvard Medical School 80% 2. Johns Hopkins / Other 20%
As mentioned in my original post, I think that many business schools would receive votes as the best in the country, as is the case when the Wall Street Journal and Business Week conduct their surveys. However, these first place votes are sufficiently scattered among the Northwesterns and Dartmouths of the world to the point where only Harvard can claim recurring strength among all the surveys.
1. Harvard Business School 60% 2. Stanford / Other 40%
Despite softening my language somewhat, I think my original conclusions are still correct and defensible. (1) The Harvard brand name helps each school benefit from the others as a powerful tool in attracting students and faculty. (2) No other university appears among the top names in each of these four rankings. (3) HMS and HBS have leadership positions in their fields. (4) Harvard College and HLS are highly respected but do not lead their respective spheres in similar fashion.
1. HMS 2. HBS 3. Harvard College 4. HLS
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Date: June 15th, 2007 3:35 PM Author: pink arrogant potus immigrant hi princeton troll (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8259395) |
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Date: June 28th, 2007 12:26 PM Author: Lavender Impressive Kitty Cat Lay Subject: The Final Consideration The fourth installment of the "Indiana Jones" movie series starring Harrison Ford begins filming in New Haven today. I'm going to call that the final tipping point in favor of Yale Law School over HLS although, to be fair, the latter does always have "Legally Blonde." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8311582) |
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Date: June 28th, 2007 1:17 PM Author: rose gay wizard office indiana jones>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>legally blond (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8311755) |
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Date: June 28th, 2007 1:21 PM Author: Pontificating den a beautiful mind > both. academy awards: best picture, best director, best adapted screenplay, best supporting actress. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8311779) |
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Date: June 28th, 2007 1:25 PM Author: Adulterous yellow crackhouse hey now - love story (i believe the only movie allowed to be filmed on campus by the admin) won best original score in 1971! take that! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8311797) |
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Date: June 28th, 2007 1:31 PM Author: rose gay wizard office True story as well, and by a Yale Professor. Wasn't With Honors also filmed on campus? or no? |
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Date: June 28th, 2007 1:37 PM Author: Adulterous yellow crackhouse ive heard that love story was technically the only one ever filmed on campus - most of the shots in with honors (and old school, good will hunting, etc.) were done from the street - though i swear a few scenes in with honors certainly breach "the yard" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8311846) |
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Date: June 28th, 2007 1:31 PM Author: rose gay wizard office you're a fucking faggot if you think that A Beautiful Mind is even in the same league as Indiana Jones. One is a great movie and the other is an entire mythology modeled after the Yalie adventurer/thief Hiram Bingham. Put a bandaid over that vagina of yours. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8311826) |
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Date: June 28th, 2007 1:41 PM Author: Pontificating den http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_jones#Models (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8311865) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2007 12:54 PM Author: rose gay wizard office http://www.nhregister.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=18540437&BRD=1281&PAG=461&dept_id=31007&rfi=6
Photo Gallery
Submit your photos from the Indiana Jones shoot in New Haven.
But Hiram Bingham III was a Yale historian and explorer who really did hack through a fetid jungle and scrambled over the Andes to find the "lost city" of Machu Picchu in 1911.
Bingham, a tall, handsome and rich adventurer, historian, aviator, and later U.S. senator and governor of Connecticut, often is cited as a possible model for the pulpy Jones creation.
Peruvians to this day suspect Bingham sent crates of gold from Machu Picchu back to New Haven, which sounds like an exploit from an "Indiana" script.
The cargo was actually about 5,000 pieces of pottery and other artifacts. (Or is that all they contained?) Peru is demanding Yale relinquish the national archeological treasure.
So, how ironic is it that what is likely a fictional version of the real Bingham is blocking traffic in New Haven to film the fourth installment of the series, within blocks of Bingham's old ivy haunts?
That depends on which Indiana Jones precursor you prefer.
Just who or what the character is based on is locked inaccessibly in the minds of director Steven Spielberg and a few other producers and screenwriters like George Lucas, who dreamed up Henry "Indiana" Jones Jr. in the first place.
Jones has been credited to an Italian circus strong man, a British archeologist who disappeared in the Amazon in 1925 and a few other obscure archeologists.
Yet only Bingham found a lost city — as in "The Lost Ark" — and wrote a book about it, "Lost City of the Incas," in 1948.
At the time, Machu Picchu was considered a religious site, but has since been identified as an Incan Camp David that fell into disuse after the Spanish decimated all things Inca.
Bingham also acted and dressed the part.
Bingham stares balefully from black and white photos clicked in Peru, wearing a fedora, a safari-type jacket, jodhpurs and puttees. Hollywood would never dress an action star in leg wraps and riding pants, but the hat is definitely Indy.
Bingham's granddaughters are familiar with cinematic lore linking his exploits as explorer, historian and aviator to the bullwhip-snapping, wisecracking movie hero.
Lucretia Bingham, a freelance writer and real estate agent in Westbrook, said her grandfather was larger than life, but in a proper early 20th century way.
"I'm not sure where the idea came from that he was Indiana Jones. He was certainly the inspiration," Lucretia said.
"He loved Locomobiles and beautiful women. He cut a really fine figure and had a tremendous flare for publicity. He was not looking for gold and treasure, unlike Indiana Jones," she said.
Nor was he a cuddly grandpa. "He would teach you about globes and maps. He was extremely good-looking and rich. He was famous," she said.
"The archeologist and explorer of his era was as glamorous as today's movie stars," Lucertia said. "The movie idea of glamour is very different than the actual glamour of my grandfather. He was quite straightlaced in some ways," she said.
He was a bona fide scholar and serious about his work, and received a bachelor's degree from Yale and doctorate from Harvard.
After traveling from Buenos Aires to Lima and returning to the U.S., Bingham went back to Peru in 1911 in search of Vilcabamba, the "last resting place of the Incas." The expedition of seven was financed by Yale and the National Geographic, according to U.S. Senate history.
Using nothing more than questionable 17th-century writings, Bingham and colleagues set out from Cuzsco on foot, with a local policeman for his guide and interpreter, historical records recount.
After several days of hiking through malarial swamps, surrounded by unclassified vegetation and exotic animals, Bingham encountered a local farmer named Melchor Arteaga, who told the group that there were extensive ruins at the top of a nearby mountain, Bingham recalls in his written account.
After promising a reluctant Arteaga a large sum of money to climb the peak in a cold drizzle, Bingham set eyes on Machu Picchu.
He wrote, "Suddenly I found myself confronted with the walls of ruined houses built of the finest quality of Inca stone work. It was hard to see them for they were partly covered with trees and moss, the growth of centuries, but in the dense shadow, hiding in bamboo thickets and tangled vines, appeared here and there walls of white granite ashlars (dressed stones) carefully cut and exquisitely fitted together. ... What could this place be?"
There were no snake pits, falling stone blocks or huge papier mache boulders.
Bingham set about to document what he had found. He didn't encounter an old paramour, exchange pistol fire or sneak onto a submarine, a la "The Lost Ark."
"My grandfather was of the old school. He was serious. He would have disapproved of Indiana Jones," Lucretia Bingham said.
However, the creators of Indiana Jones apparently approved of him.
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Date: July 13th, 2008 2:13 PM Author: Lavender Impressive Kitty Cat Lay Subject: Yale Looks Terrific In "Indiana Jones" I finally got around to seeing "Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull." Tha Yale campus and the streets of New Haven looked good as the setting for the fictitious Marshall College. But the movie itself was a disappointment, a couple of energetic action scenes spliced with a variety of disjointed exercises in special effects, but no real suspense or plot to speak of. It's time to put this once great franchise to bed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#9969790) |
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Date: July 15th, 2007 8:31 PM Author: Lavender Impressive Kitty Cat Lay Subject: No 007 I just found out that, regrettably, the fourth installment of "Indiana Jones" will not include Sean Connery, one of the coolest actors ever to grace the big screen, who declined to appear in the latest film. Despite that loss, I'm still going to give the nod to Harrison Ford over Reese Witherspoon. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8388971) |
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Date: September 20th, 2007 12:08 PM Author: Lavender Impressive Kitty Cat Lay Subject: Musicals Set On Ivy Campuses It seems that, during the upcoming fall break, there will be filming on the Princeton campus for a movie called "Across The Universe," a musical based upon the songs of the Beatles.
I'm not a big fan of musicals but I believe this will join the Broadway production of "Legally Blonde" as the only musicals set on Ivy campuses. Am I missing any? |
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Date: April 11th, 2008 12:22 PM Author: Lavender Impressive Kitty Cat Lay Subject: New Information -- Stop The Presses Last night's episode of "30 Rock" revealed that Jack Donaghy, currently the funniest character on television (played by Alec Baldwin) has degrees from Princeton and Harvard.
Assuming that the revelation referred to undergraduate and business school degrees, respectively, that's a plus for HBS.
I think any school would be proud to call as an alumnus hard-drinking, skirt-chasing Jack Donaghy. |
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Date: June 28th, 2007 1:57 PM Author: Sexy shimmering foreskin Harvard College, Harvard Med, Harvard Law, HBS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8311902) |
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Date: June 28th, 2007 2:02 PM Author: titillating shitlib puppy F (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8311920) |
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Date: June 28th, 2007 2:05 PM Author: Sexy shimmering foreskin I am absolutely correct. VEry few have it together to be the one true harvard alumni - the ones from the College. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8311926) |
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Date: June 28th, 2007 2:06 PM Author: titillating shitlib puppy who cares though? it gets you nowhere and the accomplishment is nowhere near as impressive. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8311933) |
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Date: June 28th, 2007 2:11 PM Author: bateful shivering jew Depends how you define it. Some could claim that the #100 med school is better than going to Yale Law or HBS. Maybe, your definition is relative vs other schools in the same discipline in the manner the OP attempted to explain. Or the purest form, when someone says they went to Harvard would be referring to UG, which is why the school as a whole is so well known in the first place; considering the small number of people in this country that get professional graduate degrees, Harvard UGs included.
Harvard UG hardly gets you nowhere, just because you couldn't get in is no reason to disrespect it. In fact, I would think getting rejected would make you respect it more. |
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Date: June 28th, 2007 2:13 PM Author: titillating shitlib puppy any medical school is better that HYS law, that is tcr.
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Date: June 29th, 2007 12:37 AM Author: Sexy shimmering foreskin no (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8314665) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 1:34 PM Author: duck-like obsidian bawdyhouse well, certainly if you want to be a Doctor it is (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8316006) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 3:45 PM Author: carnelian awkward double fault multi-billionaire this is true. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8316476) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 12:36 AM Author: Sexy shimmering foreskin If you mean getting somewhere as in $$$ monetary worth, then this whole question is gay. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8314662) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 12:39 AM Author: pink arrogant potus immigrant $$$ or achieving goals in general (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8314675) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 12:47 AM Author: Sexy shimmering foreskin well, then it depends. As always. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8314709) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 10:17 AM Author: Adulterous yellow crackhouse my friends and i are doing just fine...most doing things we couldnt have done straight out of most schools... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8315332) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 10:19 AM Author: pink arrogant potus immigrant "most doing things we couldnt have done straight out of most schools..."
probably not true |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 10:24 AM Author: Adulterous yellow crackhouse its pretty impossible to prove either way, I suppose, since anyone can do anything out of any school - but if we're not looking at the margins... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8315350) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 10:41 AM Author: coral toaster nursing home I guess we can't all join the HARVARD club in New York (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8315432) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 11:42 AM Author: Adulterous yellow crackhouse sure you can - just goto the extension school
i am only a member of the harvard club in my area so i can interview applicants and expose gunner jerks |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 10:20 AM Author: coral toaster nursing home like what (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8315340) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 10:26 AM Author: pink arrogant potus immigrant BIGBAKING, dude
harvard best for French Culinary Institute masters admissions |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 12:43 PM Author: zombie-like chad 1 HMS 2 HBS 3 HLS 4 College 5 Grad School . . . 9 HES 10 Divinity |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 1:31 PM Author: pink arrogant potus immigrant phds are prestigious dooder (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8315996) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 1:38 PM Author: titillating shitlib puppy only in like 3 fields dooder (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8316020) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 1:40 PM Author: duck-like obsidian bawdyhouse Education, Math, and Computer Science, correct (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8316025) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 1:45 PM Author: titillating shitlib puppy math, physics and economics.
education is for fucktards and CS is for losers. |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 1:47 PM Author: duck-like obsidian bawdyhouse CS is for people who want to make a shitload of money, physics is completely useless in industry
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Date: June 29th, 2007 1:48 PM Author: titillating shitlib puppy u have lead poisoning
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Date: June 29th, 2007 1:49 PM Author: duck-like obsidian bawdyhouse nah, just too many dental amalgams (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8316050) |
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Date: July 1st, 2007 1:02 AM Author: Hairraiser water buffalo titcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8321835) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 1:33 PM Author: duck-like obsidian bawdyhouse 1. Harvard GSE . . . . . . Everything Else |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 1:48 PM Author: Tripping famous landscape painting hospital HARVARD EXTENSION >>>>>>>>>>>>>> HARVARD LAW, srsly just look at GTO. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8316046) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 8:35 PM Author: zombie-like chad Subject: Is this a joke? Extension students are like the low rung of the Harvard ladder. I think only Divinity students have them beat. Atleast extension students get the crumbs of whatever the College gives them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8317466) |
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Date: September 21st, 2007 4:19 AM Author: purple bespoke fat ankles azn I think that the Education School prolly doesn't have much weight when juxtaposed to other Harvard graduate programs. The extension school is a money maker - which really doesn't benefit Harvard because they have way too much money already. It's a public policy move, pure and simple,though there are those who use it to complete pre-med requirements and such if they have a change of plans. But the fools who take the bachelor's from Harvard extension - well, that is a joke. Especially when they try to pass themselves off as Harvard College alumni. Hilarious! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8669959) |
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Date: April 11th, 2008 7:20 PM Author: Multi-colored school it's a joke but it's a pretty smart one. just put "Harvard" on a resume and 90% of americans won't know the difference. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#9613508) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 2:31 PM Author: Sexy shimmering foreskin Harvard College, Harvard Med, Harvard Law, HBS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8316218) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 2:32 PM Author: coral toaster nursing home ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8316221) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 2:36 PM Author: duck-like obsidian bawdyhouse you forgot the GSE (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8316236) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 2:47 PM Author: Mind-boggling emerald weed whacker Harvard Dental School ranks pretty high; So does the Kennedy School. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8316288) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 2:48 PM Author: titillating shitlib puppy tufts is better in both dentistry and IA. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8316294) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 2:49 PM Author: Mind-boggling emerald weed whacker Subject: I don't think so.
http://edu.itypeusa.com/Medical/Dental_School_Rankings.html
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/pub/premium/pad.php
See also:
http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/ARWU-FIELD.htm |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 8:01 PM Author: zombie-like chad Subject: what is with you guys? Harvard College over HBS?
I also forgot the Kennedy School. Dental too, but I would throw that in with HMS.
Kennedy School inbetween HBS and HLS. |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 8:26 PM Author: orange supple becky Subject: fools You're all simple-minded peasants. Rather than compare the relevant Harvard schools to those that compete with it for the top spot, you should also assess the distance between it and its next closest competitors.
For example, although the College is always within striking distance of number 1, the difference between it and the other Ivies is not as significant between the difference between HLS and its lower-ranked competitors. I went to Dartmouth. I do not expect to be spat on by Harvard College grads. Now I go to HLS. I shudder at the thought of ending up anywhere below Stanford. In the legal world, if you're not HYS, you're worthless.
Hence, HLS > the College.
Also, business "degrees," if they can even be called that, are total laugh riots, which everyone smart enough to get into any Harvard school knows. Hence, HBS < the College.
Lastly, doctors are pretty irrelevant these days. Plus, they're poor. Hence, HMS < HBS. |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 8:30 PM Author: pink arrogant potus immigrant lol, law troll calls doctors poor and HBS worthless. 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8317457) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 8:33 PM Author: zombie-like chad Subject: I was with you all the way until this,....... "Lastly, doctors are pretty irrelevant these days. Plus, they're poor. Hence, HBS > HMS."
You screwed up with this one.^ |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 8:35 PM Author: orange supple becky Nope, I called business degrees laugh riots, not worthless. In fact, they are lucrative. But they are not prestigious. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8317465) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 8:37 PM Author: orange supple becky A doctor's job = probing fat people with sticks and telling them to lose weight; waiting until computers replace them; stressing over their declining bank accounts; getting screwed by HMO/MCO (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8317469) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 8:37 PM Author: zombie-like chad Subject: An MBA... I never thought they were prestigious and in fact think that the amount of prestige given to them is laughable and unworthy, so why would I put the HBS above the HMS? HMS is probably like THE most prestigious degree you can possibly get in the world. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8317471) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 8:39 PM Author: orange supple becky Why is it prestigious to saw bones for a living? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8317472) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 8:13 PM Author: bipolar scarlet public bath karate instead of manipulating economic transactions to make money, doctors actually engage in productive activity. the MBAs at HMOs make money by incentivizing the denial of payment for necessary medical procedures. i'd give the prestige award to the guy who saves my life. also, MBAs just sit around and network for two years and then they go out in the world and earn high salaries for manipulating money.
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Date: June 29th, 2007 8:41 PM Author: pink arrogant potus immigrant caltech physics phd dude. premeds are just faggot gunners (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8317475) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 8:44 PM Author: orange supple becky In no world is a physics degree "prestigious." Mention at party, watch people fall asleep. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8317480) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 8:47 PM Author: Sexy shimmering foreskin mention any degrees at a party and you'll reveal yourself to be the giant fag you seem to be (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8317485) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 9:01 PM Author: pink arrogant potus immigrant titcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8317512) |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 9:53 PM Author: coral toaster nursing home NYCFan isn't a homosexual! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8317620) |
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Date: August 15th, 2007 7:09 PM Author: razzle-dazzle ticket booth ape Subject: Almost TCR I agree with most of what you said, except with HMS. If you can get into HMS, you probably can get into any of the other Harvard schools. Also, the average HMS grad has many lucrative opps. if goes after them (e.g. boards of pharm cos, consulting gigs).
I say:
HMS
HLS
College
HBS-I work for a quant fund, and I can tell you a lot hedgies have zero respect for the MBA. The simple fact is, if you have to go back to get an MBA, you just weren't initially successful enough in the business world after college. |
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Date: August 15th, 2007 7:22 PM Author: pink arrogant potus immigrant going through the shit of an MD to be a consultant? lol
btw, stfu pensive |
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Date: August 15th, 2007 8:35 PM Author: razzle-dazzle ticket booth ape Subject: Who the F is Pensive? Also, when did I ever state someone should be an MD to be a consultant? That would be pretty stupid for a multitude of reasons. My point is that the option is probably there if one chooses it at some point. I'd bet your entire net worth that a HMS MD with the proper skill can get a job at McKinsey faster than an average HBS MBA.
HTH. |
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Date: August 15th, 2007 8:49 PM Author: pink arrogant potus immigrant " I'd bet your entire net worth"
hi pensive |
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Date: August 16th, 2007 9:58 AM Author: razzle-dazzle ticket booth ape Subject: ???? You appear to have me confused for someone else.
Nice retorts to my points though. |
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Date: June 29th, 2007 8:58 PM Author: beta jade step-uncle's house rankings for difficulty to get in might be? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8317505) |
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Date: June 30th, 2007 8:15 PM Author: bipolar scarlet public bath karate yeah i like that
HMS HLS college HBS |
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Date: July 1st, 2007 1:02 AM Author: talented startling resort HMS
College
HLS/HBS (different skills required; about same difficulty level overall) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2007 1:26 AM Author: beta jade step-uncle's house why is HMS the toughest (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8329935) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2007 11:38 AM Author: bateful shivering jew It probably has the lowest acceptance rate for starters. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8330620) |
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Date: July 4th, 2007 9:29 AM Author: snowy 180 point I would rank them in this order:
HMS
HLS
College
KSG
HBS |
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Date: August 15th, 2007 8:48 PM Author: pink arrogant potus immigrant KSG megatroll (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8520341) |
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Date: December 20th, 2007 2:23 AM Author: Offensive main people Yeah, it's way harder to get into KSG than HBS.
Get real. |
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Date: July 18th, 2007 3:51 AM Author: vibrant crotch so many stupid trolls with agendas here. the correct answer is, in IQ of students: HLS HMS College HBS
In $$$ HBS (start at 24 or 25, make 250-300 at 26 or 27) HLS (start at 22, make 180 at 25 and 200 at 26) HMS (start at 22, no real money until 30ish + more loans) College (lucky to make 30/hour at graduation)
In selectivity: HMS HLS College HBS
Layman prestige: HMS (simply because doctors are tops at layman prestige) HBS/HLS College
The average HC student who takes the LSAT gets a 166, the average admit to HLS has a 171 or 172. Only 1/3 of HC students who apply to HLS get in.
HBS is not that selective per se, but the process of getting to the point where you can apply and actually afford the 45K tuition is very selective. |
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Date: July 20th, 2007 12:20 PM Author: motley area party of the first part You are seriously on crack if you think HBS students get paid that much fresh out their MBA. Barring investment banking I know of no consulting or management jobs that pay such an amount to someone fresh out of an elite MBA program with 2-5 years of experience. Again, IB certainly can make that much and it would not be far fetched to exceed the range you suggested. As far everyone else, you are delerious. Besides, unless you are in sales and/or trading the hours make lawyers equivalent to an office temp that works Tuesday thru Thursday (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8411580) |
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Date: July 20th, 2007 12:23 PM Author: motley area party of the first part http://www.hbs.edu/about/mba.html (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8411598) |
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Date: August 15th, 2007 6:52 PM Author: Ebony goyim Subject: HBS prestige this is most correct.
HBS should not be ranked very highly in prestige because: 1) It has the most random admissions standards. Some students are truly exceptional. Many really are not. 2) Stanford GSB is harder to get into 3) While every single doctor and lawyer went to med school and law school, respectively, many (if not most) of the most successful people in business don't even go to business school. Thus, the pool of business school applicants excludes many of the best candidates. |
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Date: August 15th, 2007 7:44 PM Author: Ebony goyim Subject: one more thing also the best people at HBS don't need to be there. they are just there for a 2 year vacation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8520114) |
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Date: April 12th, 2008 10:44 PM Author: Mauve territorial kitchen titcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#9619156) |
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Date: September 20th, 2007 6:09 PM Author: Mind-boggling emerald weed whacker Subject: According to the NY Times ..... "The most prestigious college in the world, of course, is Harvard, and the gap between it and every other university is often underestimated."
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/17/weekinreview/17leonhardt.html?ei=5088&en=94d34ff57060717f&ex=1316145600&adxnnl=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&adxnnlx=1190325888-NsWrsi0hOxLFp5KXjcCZAQ |
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Date: September 20th, 2007 6:19 PM Author: purple bespoke fat ankles azn While Harvard may have had a decisive edge at some point, it is increasingly the case that other schools are as good or better than Harvard now. As a result, many faculty decline Harvard faculty post offers now - with faculty leaving Harvard for more supportive environments.
Stanford is a popular destination for Harvard faculty who grow weary of the "better than everyone" attitude that so suffuses the Harvard culture. Caltech is an exquisite place to do science, and the weather is wonderful too. Internationally it is viewed stratospherically. MIT no longer blinks when eyeing down Harvard.
These days, when hearing colleagues talk about their educational plans, it is often the case that Ivy's are not mentioned. One of my best friends went to Rice undergrad and Caltech grad. Another went from Rice to Stanford. Another did Pomona College to MIT. Another friend who did undergrad at Bryn Mawr declined Harvard Medical School to attend Duke Medical. She found a more compassionate atmosphere at Duke when she visited them. For all of these outstanding individuals, their education is every bit as good as or better than any Ivy league education.
Indeed, other schools are so becoming these days that there is no point in leaving them for Harvard. If one enjoys intimate learning environments with top-notch students, why on earth would someone depart the hallowed halls of Swarthmore for Harvard?
Chicago, Duke, Rice and others are becoming or have become major forces with which to contend, especially Rice and Duke. Chicago is making a concerted effort to get its name in the limelight, and it is making formidable strides in that arena.
Is not Duke Medical School as good as anywhere? Is not Chicago's law school every bit as good as anyone's? Why not go to Stanford's business or law schools over Harvard? These are now popular moves that are not questioned - because these institutions are reaching a level of excellence that is every bit as cutting edge and visionary.
No institution can boast academic and intellectual supremacy (which is a GOOD thing) - although the endowment issue is the one bastion of dominance that Harvard has at the moment. |
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Date: September 20th, 2007 6:45 PM Author: Mind-boggling emerald weed whacker Subject: Actually, the opposite is true. Harvard's edge is widening over the field, and the edge of most elites is widening over schools lower on the academic food chain.
""It used to be the case that of students who were admitted to Harvard and Princeton or Harvard and Yale, seven of 10 would choose to go to Harvard," (Princeton official) Katz says. "It may be more now. There is a tendency for the academically best to skew even more to Harvard. We just get our socks beat off in those cases." - USA Today |
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Date: September 20th, 2007 7:50 PM Author: purple bespoke fat ankles azn While many people may still choose Harvard over other schools, it is not the case that they will get an education superior to those of, say, my friends described in my post above who chose not to attend Harvard, even though they were admitted. The Harvard wins in the glamour contest, yes, but it is not the end-all in educational attainment and competence by any means. And there are other stars out there that are shining quite brilliantly and getting brighter.
I have to add, as well, that if someone feels uncomfortable when visiting a school, say because of gender or race or sexuality, it would behoove him/her to keep looking until s/he finds comfort. I know of a black student who found Dartmouth to be unfriendly and isolated. He didn't bother applying, and ended up at Oberlin, where he is very happy. Now, most people who scratch their heads at someone who would pick Oberlin over Dartmouth. But if this student got to Dartmouth and was miserable, that would be tragic. He can get anywhere he wants to go from Oberlin, where - because he is so happy there - he will do very, very well. Kudo's to him. |
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Date: September 20th, 2007 8:08 PM Author: Mind-boggling emerald weed whacker Top students don't seem to share your view ... if the choice is open to them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#8668473) |
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Date: September 20th, 2007 9:01 PM Author: purple bespoke fat ankles azn Apparently many of them do not share my view; indeed, when I considered graduate school I consciously excluded schools in Massachusetts because I was tired of the northeast, having served time in Providence and socialized extensively in Cambridge. I simply didn't want to go to Harvard or MIT for graduate school, although my advisor correctly predicted that I would get in everywhere I applied. I am not so sure that I want to join their faculties either, although I may post-doc there.
Now, my Rice University buddies/childhood friends were always west-coast oriented and never evinced much interest in going east, unlike myself - although I suspect that east-coast institutions will vie fiercely for them when they have completed their graduate degrees. Does the fact that they were not educated on the east coast mean that they were they culturally deprived? Absolutely not; they have perfectly well-grounded frames of reference. Their "Harvards" were always Caltech and that hilly locale in Palo Alto - as far back as I can recall.
Interestingly, after having now sampled the east, I have now joined them on the left coast. I'm glad that I did. Go figure. |
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Date: December 19th, 2007 6:13 PM Author: Mind-boggling emerald weed whacker Subject: Statistically understandable: Even an overwhelming vote is seldom a unanimous vote. For every 75% share, there is a corresponding 25% share.
Personally, I'm crazy about the top-dog Patriots, but there are those in NorCal who doggedly insist on rooting for the downtrodden 49rs and Raiders. Go figure. |
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Date: December 20th, 2007 12:32 AM Author: trip windowlicker Subject: National Prestige Rankings Put Stanford, Princeton at Top From Insiders College
Americas Top 10 Prestigious Schools
The top 10 prestigious schools listed here admit only top-of-the-line students, the cream of the academic crop. Here's what to expect if you're smart enough - and have enough tuition money.
1. Stanford University
Stanford California
Phone 650-723-2091
www.stanford.edu
There are a half-dozen universities in the United States with de facto Ivy League status. Though not actually members of the vaunted Ivy League, these schools are recognized as equal in stature to Dartmouth, Princeton, Yale, and other Ivies. without question, Stanford University is among this elite group.
2. Princeton University
Princeton NJ
Phone 609-258-3060
www.princeton.edu
Princeton University is arguably the most undergraduate-friendly member of the Ivy League. Other institutions at a similar level of prestige often promote their powerful professional schools in business, law, and/or medicine.
3. Cooper Union
New York NY.
Phone 212-353-4120
www.cooper.edu
Every student at the "prestigious" Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art receives a full-tuition scholarship. The only catch is that students may only major in art, architecture, or engineering.
4. Harvard College
Cambridge MA
Phone 617-495-1551
www.fas.harvard.edu
Harvard College's "academic reputation" precedes it. Home to a distinguished faculty and phenomenal world-class research facilities, Students lucky and talented enough to gain admission has the opportunity to pursue virtually any academic interest under the tutelage of some of the finest minds ever.
5. Yale University
New Haven CT
Phone 203-432-9300
www.yale.edu
Yale "is truly one of America's great schools," writes one college counselor. It's an assertion that's hard to debate. As a major national research center, Yale attracts many of the world's great scholars. But unlike other research institutes, Yale also devotes a lot of attention to undergraduates.
6. United States Air Force Academy
USAF Academy CO.
719-333-2520
www.usafa.edu
"It's not at every college that you can learn how to fight, eat, and fly all on top of academics," but that's the United States Air Force Academy in a nutshell. Every student here receives a full scholarship that includes tuition, room and board, health care, and a monthly living allowance. Cadets also enjoy leadership training that "is second to none.
7. United States Military Academy
West Point, NY.
Phone 845-938-4041
www.usma.edu
"West Point is unique in many ways: a military institution, a first-class university, and
A national landmark all rolled into one," explains one cadet. "Our motto is ' duty, honor, country,' and sometimes duty looms much larger than the rest. Life is hard here, but its difficulty makes it fulfilling." The West Point approach--to cram as much activity into one day as humanly possible--is "very tough."
8. United States Naval Academy
Annapolis, MD
Phone 410-293-4361
www.usna.edu
The U.S. Naval Academy offers a great education at a great price - it's free. Midshipmen have one of the "toughest academic programs around," yet the "outstanding" professors are "always willing and ready to help in every way possible." Classes are small and does full-time military and civilian faculty
teach members.
9. Brown University
Providence, RI
Phone 401-863-2378
www.brown.edu
Brown’s famous “open curriculum,” which has no requirements outside of one’s major, Is “more rewarding for those students who know exactly what they wish to pursue academically.” Those lacking the “incredible maturity” it takes “to balance all your courses and choose the right ones” can languish if they’re used to rigid structure. The university, however, prides itself on “helping under grads achieve their utmost potential.”
10. Columbia University
New York, NY
Phone 212-854-2522
www.college.columbia.edu
Columbia University holds one major trump card in its battle against Princeton, Yale, Dartmouth, and the other members of the Ivy League: location. Students agree that, among CU's many assets, New York City is tops.
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Date: December 20th, 2007 12:45 AM Author: trip windowlicker Subject: Academic Rankings Put Princeton at Top Cumulative 10 year US News Rankings (1998 - 2007)
Updated from earlier OP
"Here are the rankings of the top ten colleges according to U.S. News and World Report. The rankings were created by averaging the rank of each institution over the last ten years (1998-2007). 8 of the 10 schools have been ranked in the top ten 10 times. The runner-ups Columbia and Dartmouth were outside of the top ten once and thus get the number 9 and 10 spot on the list. The average ranking is indicated."
1. Princeton 1.3 **(1.2 if 2008 factored in, 1999-2008)
2. Harvard 1.5 **(1.5 if 2008 factored in)
3. Yale 2.6 **(2.6 if 2008 factored in)
4. MIT 4.7
5. Stanford 4.9
6. Caltech 5.5
6. U Pennsylvania 5.5
8. Duke 5.9
9. Dartmouth 9.1
10. Columbia 9.6
Here are the Rankings for ALL Top 50 SCHOOLS going back to 1983 (Universities and LACs).
http://chronicle.com/stats/usnews/
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Date: April 13th, 2008 3:09 AM Author: Mauve territorial kitchen so? over the past 20 years harvard = 1.74 and princeton = 2.05 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#9620447) |
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Date: December 20th, 2007 12:37 AM Author: trip windowlicker Subject: Professor Katz is an active harvard alum (try full disclosure!) honesty is the best policy - didn't mom tell you nycfan? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#9053578) |
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Date: September 20th, 2007 6:46 PM Author: Fantasy-prone disturbing mad-dog skullcap Upper-middle class and higher...
HMS > HLS > HC > HBS
Middle-middle class
HC > HMS > HLS > HBS
Lower-middle class and below...
HBS > HC > HMS > HLS
Harvard's PhD programs, especially in biochem, math, physics, et al, pwn all of those (except possibly HMS) in terms of selectivity and prestige among those in the know. |
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Date: September 20th, 2007 8:04 PM Author: marvelous milk mood Social Prestige -- Harvard Undergrad Best Degrees -- The Grad Schools |
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Date: December 19th, 2007 2:11 PM Author: Lavender Impressive Kitty Cat Lay Subject: Value Of Getting Professional Degree From Different University? Here’s a question that I would like to ask any other posters on this board who enjoy thinking about higher education and career planning, rather than merely trading insults about HYP.
What value do you assign to attending a different graduate or professional school than one’s undergraduate alma mater?
Personally, I think that there is a lot to be said for experiencing a new campus with a new academic and social environment. Even if I attended, say, Harvard College which is affiliated with an excellent law school, I would try to avoid going to HLS. The same goes for Yale or Stanford as well.
The challenge in career planning, then, is how far down the academic food chain does one go to avoid attending the same university for another degree. If you graduate from Harvard College but do not get into Yale or Stanford Law Schools, HLS looks a lot better than if you did.
Here’s a different angle on the topic. Of course, the education that one obtains in graduate school is the paramount consideration in selecting an institution. But other real considerations are the credential and credibility that the degree confers as well as the network that one joins by being a degree-holder from a second university. Are any of those compromised in any way by staying on the same campus for second degree?
Perhaps I overanalyze these sorts of things but I admit that when I meet somebody who attended the same undergraduate university and professional school, I often wonder what manner of personal risk aversion kept them on the same campus for seven or eight years instead of trying something new.
In addition, I tend to apply a very slight but real degree of skepticism when I meet a "double dipper." My impression is that most professional schools have a modest but measurable bias toward admitting graduates from their own affiliated colleges.
Thus, I tend to apply at least a temporary (and admittedly limited) discount to the credibility that a given professional degree would usually carry if that individual was a "double dipper." He or she may very well dispel my skepticism in the first five minutes of conversation but, in my mind, the initial question is there to be asked.
The situation has some parallels to the unfortunate extra element of credibility that must be earned by somebody who attended a highly selective college but also happens to be an athlete, a legacy or an underrepresented minority group. He might be the single most capable graduate in his class, but business peers and other people will judge his analytic capability against his credentialing degree more than is the case with a classmate without that label. I am the first to admit that I may be alone in this line of thinking but, if enough other people share my bias, perhaps it is something to consider in choosing a professional school.
Are there any "double dippers" on this board and, if so, are you happy with your decision in retrospect?
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Date: December 20th, 2007 12:06 AM Author: Angry temple The order in prestige of HLS, HBS, Harvard undergrad, and HMS is really meaningless. It really depends on what you want to do. There are lots of unemployed T-15 MBA's from top programs like Harvard - far more than T-15 law schools and you basically have to try to be unemployed if you are a graduate of a top 15 M.D. program like Harvard. Exit options for law and investment banking/management consulting besides entrepreneurship are extremely competitive and many people end up taking temp or shit jobs or end up in MBA/JD admissions despite their fancy diplomas if they get a pink slip or a firm downsizes (again, this tends to not be a problem for Harvard alumni because they admit such stellar applicants, but it still applies in law and business, which are far less secure than medicine income wise). Harvard has a very strong alumni network that gives you a greater degree of security.
Having said that, the pecking order of colleges is very clear despite all of the trolls on this board. Graduate school and the most selective and prestige employers do not want Princeton grads more than Harvard grads, and the Harvard degree has more value when it comes to employment opportunities far long after graduation. It is undeniable. Harvard also has a much more impressive recent and historic group of alumni than Princeton as well.
The pecking order is undebatable among those in the know (not the idiots that make ranking publications that rely on slight but insignificant statistical differences to determine what college is the best):
1. Harvard 2. Yale 3. Princeton (admittedly it is catching up to Yale but still has some way to go) 4. Stanford 5. MIT
Here are the yield rates for the T-15 undergraduate schools (which is an important statistic)
1. Harvard (79%) 2. Yale (70.0%) 3. Princeton (69%) 4. Stanford (67%) 5. MIT (66.2%) 6. U Pennsylvania (66.0%) 7. Columbia (58%) 8. Brown (56%) 9. Dartmouth (50%) 10. Cornell (47%) 11. Duke (41%) 12. Northwestern (38%) 13. Caltech (37%) 14. U Chicago (34%) 15. Johns Hopkins (32.4%) 16. Washington U in St. Louis (31.7%)
The top Harvard programs though should probably rank like this:
1. HMS 2. HLS 3. Harvard College 4. HBS (large class, unimpressive academic standards; people should already be successful in business by age 30 when they are entering Harvard / there was a Wall Street Journal article which illustrated the fact that Harvard MBA alumni were raking in the dough as you would expect.
I-banking is a pyramid and very few make it to the top. The same goes with law.
One of the best measures of the prestige of the school is its alumni and HLS has a very impressive list in terms of people that have power in law and politics. Unrivaled really by any law school and this matters. |
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Date: December 20th, 2007 12:15 AM Author: Mind-boggling emerald weed whacker Subject: Yield updates for Class of 2011 YIELD: Harvard: 78.7%, 69% RD est; Yale; 69.2% est, 59% RD est; Princeton: 67.8% est, 53.7% RD est; Columbia: 59.1% , 44.3% RD est; Dartmouth: 49.9% est, 40% RD est; Cornell: 47% est, 36.4% RD est; Penn: 66.5% est, 51% RD est; Brown: 57.6%, 48.4% RD est ; Stanford: 69.9%, 57.7% RD est; Duke: 41% est, 35.7 RD est; MIT: 68.8% est (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#9053511) |
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Date: December 20th, 2007 12:24 AM Author: trip windowlicker Subject: Yield may be the most manipulated number in higher ed That is whay none of the national ranking publications use it. In fact, they have expressly eliminated it. It is a figure used by harvard and yale trolls to prop up their schools because the following remains true.
THERE IS NOT A SINGLE NATIONAL UNDERGRADUATE RANKING PUBLICATION OR NATIONAL COLLEGE GUIDE WHICH PLACES HARVARD OR YALE AHEAD OF PRINCETON! NOT A SINGLE ONE!
http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=728373&forum_id=1#8995401 |
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Date: December 20th, 2007 1:52 AM Author: Angry temple Stop repeating this idiotic phrase, "THERE IS NOT A SINGLE NATIONAL UNDERGRADUATE RANKING PUBLICATION OR NATIONAL COLLEGE GUIDE WHICH PLACES HARVARD OR YALE."
At the undergraduate level there is only one legitimate ranking that actually matters (other than the Wall Street Journal one which ranked Harvard and Yale ABOVE Princeton FYI if I remember correctly) and that is U.S. News & World Report. And it isn't a perfect ranking by any means. Yield is a good statistic - better than the majority of the ones used to measure prestige/selectivity/desirability of a college regardless of what the journalists at a publication decided to do. It matters what percentage of students admitted to a school ultimately attend (it matters less for niche school like Notre Dame which has an inflated yield because of its religious affiliation and culture). The reality is that they didn't have any strong ideological reasons for getting rid of yield as a factor in the ranking; they only did it because of public/media pressure as a result of the stress ED admissions was causing students and because it became unpopular to reward schools that use ED heavily even if it was a good statistic.
Princeton is #3 like it or not. Check in in 50-100 yrs. and maybe things will be different (that is if the earth hasn't been destroyed by then). |
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Date: December 20th, 2007 1:56 AM Author: talented startling resort Are you really trying to have a conversation with this troll? LOL. Have fun. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#9053929) |
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Date: December 20th, 2007 1:56 AM Author: Angry temple They eliminated ED because of the pressure it was putting on seniors to decide on one school early in the process and that was causing undue stress and craziness for parents, counselors, and perspective students (also affluent students had an unfair advantage with ED admission). They didn't get rid of it because it is an easily manipulated statistic. An easily manipulated or misleading statistic is something like % of classes under such and such students (counting yoga or physical education as a class to change numbers, etc.) or alumni giving (they can have a 1$ giving campaign to raise the rate). If you look at the schools that dropped ED their yield HAS NOT changed significantly, so that is a false assumption that their yield is only very high because of ED. Also, the majority of top schools have ED or single-choice EA, so it impacts basically almost all selective colleges. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#9053925) |
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Date: April 13th, 2008 3:08 AM Author: Mauve territorial kitchen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#9620443) |
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Date: December 20th, 2007 12:30 AM Author: trip windowlicker Subject: STANFORD, PRINCETON LEAD NATIONAL PRESTIGE RANKINGS From Insiders College
Americas Top 10 Prestigious Schools
The top 10 prestigious schools listed here admit only top-of-the-line students, the cream of the academic crop. Here's what to expect if you're smart enough - and have enough tuition money.
1. Stanford University
Stanford California
Phone 650-723-2091
www.stanford.edu
There are a half-dozen universities in the United States with de facto Ivy League status. Though not actually members of the vaunted Ivy League, these schools are recognized as equal in stature to Dartmouth, Princeton, Yale, and other Ivies. without question, Stanford University is among this elite group.
2. Princeton University
Princeton NJ
Phone 609-258-3060
www.princeton.edu
Princeton University is arguably the most undergraduate-friendly member of the Ivy League. Other institutions at a similar level of prestige often promote their powerful professional schools in business, law, and/or medicine.
3. Cooper Union
New York NY.
Phone 212-353-4120
www.cooper.edu
Every student at the "prestigious" Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art receives a full-tuition scholarship. The only catch is that students may only major in art, architecture, or engineering.
4. Harvard College
Cambridge MA
Phone 617-495-1551
www.fas.harvard.edu
Harvard College's "academic reputation" precedes it. Home to a distinguished faculty and phenomenal world-class research facilities, Students lucky and talented enough to gain admission has the opportunity to pursue virtually any academic interest under the tutelage of some of the finest minds ever.
5. Yale University
New Haven CT
Phone 203-432-9300
www.yale.edu
Yale "is truly one of America's great schools," writes one college counselor. It's an assertion that's hard to debate. As a major national research center, Yale attracts many of the world's great scholars. But unlike other research institutes, Yale also devotes a lot of attention to undergraduates.
6. United States Air Force Academy
USAF Academy CO.
719-333-2520
www.usafa.edu
"It's not at every college that you can learn how to fight, eat, and fly all on top of academics," but that's the United States Air Force Academy in a nutshell. Every student here receives a full scholarship that includes tuition, room and board, health care, and a monthly living allowance. Cadets also enjoy leadership training that "is second to none.
7. United States Military Academy
West Point, NY.
Phone 845-938-4041
www.usma.edu
"West Point is unique in many ways: a military institution, a first-class university, and
A national landmark all rolled into one," explains one cadet. "Our motto is ' duty, honor, country,' and sometimes duty looms much larger than the rest. Life is hard here, but its difficulty makes it fulfilling." The West Point approach--to cram as much activity into one day as humanly possible--is "very tough."
8. United States Naval Academy
Annapolis, MD
Phone 410-293-4361
www.usna.edu
The U.S. Naval Academy offers a great education at a great price - it's free. Midshipmen have one of the "toughest academic programs around," yet the "outstanding" professors are "always willing and ready to help in every way possible." Classes are small and does full-time military and civilian faculty
teach members.
9. Brown University
Providence, RI
Phone 401-863-2378
www.brown.edu
Brown’s famous “open curriculum,” which has no requirements outside of one’s major, Is “more rewarding for those students who know exactly what they wish to pursue academically.” Those lacking the “incredible maturity” it takes “to balance all your courses and choose the right ones” can languish if they’re used to rigid structure. The university, however, prides itself on “helping under grads achieve their utmost potential.”
10. Columbia University
New York, NY
Phone 212-854-2522
www.college.columbia.edu
Columbia University holds one major trump card in its battle against Princeton, Yale, Dartmouth, and the other members of the Ivy League: location. Students agree that, among CU's many assets, New York City is tops.
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Date: December 20th, 2007 2:00 AM Author: Angry temple If you think this is a legitimate ranking of schools and you count it as one of your "publications" you truly are clueless. The military academies should not be ranked higher than Brown or Columbia (and a lot of other schools listed) unless the ranking is the number of push-ups undergrads and do in a minute. Oh, but you're right, Cooper Union is SO MUCH BETTER THAN HARVARD AND YALE. LOL. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#9053947) |
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Date: December 20th, 2007 12:46 AM Author: trip windowlicker Subject: Over the Past 10 Years US News Declares Princeton #1 Cumulative 10 year US News Rankings (1998 - 2007)
Updated from earlier OP
"Here are the rankings of the top ten colleges according to U.S. News and World Report. The rankings were created by averaging the rank of each institution over the last ten years (1998-2007). 8 of the 10 schools have been ranked in the top ten 10 times. The runner-ups Columbia and Dartmouth were outside of the top ten once and thus get the number 9 and 10 spot on the list. The average ranking is indicated."
1. Princeton 1.3 **(1.2 if 2008 factored in, 1999-2008)
2. Harvard 1.5 **(1.5 if 2008 factored in)
3. Yale 2.6 **(2.6 if 2008 factored in)
4. MIT 4.7
5. Stanford 4.9
6. Caltech 5.5
6. U Pennsylvania 5.5
8. Duke 5.9
9. Dartmouth 9.1
10. Columbia 9.6
Here are the Rankings for ALL Top 50 SCHOOLS going back to 1983 (Universities and LACs).
http://chronicle.com/stats/usnews/
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Date: December 20th, 2007 2:04 AM Author: Angry temple U.S. News is flawed. Again, you can't rely on what a few journalists think. These rankings are supposed to be a guideline. Everyone in the know knows that Dartmouth and Columbia should be ranked higher than Duke. There is no question. Caltech shouldn't be ranked because it is such a specialized school with about 200 students per class and an extremely narrow focus that doesn't have to worry about admitting athletes, a diversity of majors, ethnic/religious/political diversity, etc. in admissions. It's like ranking Julliard or Cooper Union. I don't necessarily think that the choice to rank the military academies was a good one either. Just like the SAT's, the U.S. News rankings are becoming worse at measuring what they are attempting to measure. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#9053959) |
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Date: February 25th, 2008 7:25 PM Author: Sickened keepsake machete associate Subject: Another Approach HMS: no direct challengers to its supremacy and no competitors even on the horizon. Number one.
HBS: no direct challengers to its supremacy and one competitor on the horizon, Stanford. Number two.
HLS: one direct challenger, Yale, and one additional peer, Stanford. Number three.
Harvard College: one direct challenger, Princeton, and two peers, Yale and Stanford. Arguably no direct challengers or two, but definitely three to be considered peers overall. Number four. |
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Date: April 11th, 2008 2:16 PM Author: charismatic shrine what about Wharton ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#9612033) |
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Date: April 11th, 2008 7:22 PM Author: mint lettuce regret HMS > HLS > HBS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HUG (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#9613517) |
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Date: April 11th, 2008 7:46 PM Author: Lascivious Corner disagree.. HMS>HLS and HBS are filled with people with shitty lifetime academics
HUG >>>> HLS >>> HBS >>>> HMS (I'd rather JHU) |
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Date: April 12th, 2008 10:42 PM Author: Mauve territorial kitchen no. HMS>HLS>HUG>HBS
and boston>balto |
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Date: April 12th, 2008 11:33 PM Author: Lascivious Corner No. Cities have nothing to do with it. John Hopkins is #1 in like 12 programs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#9619305) |
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Date: April 12th, 2008 11:54 PM Author: Mauve territorial kitchen according to...?
JHU probably has the same lay prestige as Harvard and you'll end up with less debt. but deciding between HMS and JHU is really a matter of personal preference... i don't think either one really outshines the other in any specific health discipline |
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Date: April 13th, 2008 12:16 AM Author: Lascivious Corner Definitely a misquote.. but 2007 U.S.News & World Report Rankings
For the 17th consecutive year, The Johns Hopkins Hospital has topped U.S.News & World Report's annual rankings of "America's Best Hospitals." For a complete list and methodology of rankings, please visit www.usnews.com.
In addition to heading the Honor Roll, The Johns Hopkins Hospital ranked in the top 10 in 15 of the 16 specialty categories listed. Here are the rankings:
America's #1 Hospital 17 years in a row ad #1
Ear, Nose & Throat (Otolaryngology) #1
Gynecology #1
Rheumatology #1
Urology #2 Geriatrics #2 Neurology/Neurosurgery #2 Ophthalmology (Wilmer Eye Institute) #2
Psychiatry #3 Cancer #3 Digestive Disorders #3 Endocrinology #3
Respiratory Disorders #4 Heart/Heart Surgery #5 Orthopedics #6 Kidney Disease #21 Rehabilitation
And ranked the #1 University Hospital by US NEWS for the 17th Consecutive year.
According to the National Science Foundation ranking, Johns Hopkins performed $1.49 billion in science, medical and engineering research in fiscal year 2006, making it the leading U.S. academic institution in total Research & Development spending for the 28th year in a row.
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Date: April 13th, 2008 12:55 AM Author: Flickering magenta indian lodge HMS > HLS > HBS > College
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Date: April 14th, 2008 12:16 AM Author: Red space Subject: Where's KSG in all this? HMS>HLS>HBS>KSG>College (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#9624550) |
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Date: April 14th, 2008 2:04 AM Author: Lascivious Corner ABOVE -- a bunch of haters who couldn't get into Harvard Undergraduate, crossing their fingers for a chance into the easier to get into graduate programs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#9625165) |
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Date: July 16th, 2008 7:51 PM Author: citrine abusive stage hairy legs lol.
Much harder to get into HMS, HLS and most of the Ph.d programs than HUG.
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Date: July 17th, 2008 12:14 AM Author: Sexy shimmering foreskin missing the point...you might be the stupidest of stupid bitches (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#9980689) |
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Date: July 17th, 2008 11:01 AM Author: citrine abusive stage hairy legs someone can't read. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=642140&forum_id=1#9981610) |
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Date: July 17th, 2008 9:28 AM Author: Lascivious Corner Why do you have LSD in your name? HUG is harder than its graduate schools (especially PHD) anyday.
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Date: July 17th, 2008 10:28 AM Author: Slippery Khaki Church Building you're really stupid
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