https://charliepgarcia.substack.com/p/elon-musk-is-building-rockefellers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49605362)

CR! Please make sure you stick it to me really hard by continuing to bet against Elon and not own any TSLA.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49605370)

how about you calculate that while shoving the dildo that's in your bedroom drawer straight up your ass.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49605375)

If you invested $1,000 in BTC a year ago, you'd also be down today.

Wow gee it turns out that I was totally wrong about BTC too, it's obviously a horible investment to buy and hold long, in fact I hear it's totally going to zero any day now!

*farts cum*

Log off and go spend some time with your kids, Kare-- oh wait...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49605380)

(Genius who has now poasted "ur dick is tiny" 10 times in this thread)

Have a great night, Karen! You seem to be having a wonderful week over there. :)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49605384)

I'm tired of having to interact w u midgets

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49605367)

Comments are also hilarious -- a lot of "stfu you stupid Elon fanboi this is a bullshit puffpiece you should be embarrassed Elon sucks and TSLA is a joke" followed by a "OK, so then which part of my substantive analysis do you most disagree with, technically speaking on the facts/numbers that I have cited?" followed by silence.

Odd case!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49605371)

Yeah 180 infinite brown people churning out shitty content like this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49605372)

CR I was just kidding this piece is shit and the author is a retard, make sure you don't fall for the trap and stupidly buy and TSLA. You nailed it champ!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49605374)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49605397)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49605403)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49605406)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49605412)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49605418)

PS to Waymo fans: Do you find it even slightly odd that when the MSM was blasting out all of those "Nvidia enters the FSD ring as a challenger to Tesla" hit pieces they published over the last two weeks, they conveniently forgot to mention three interested facts:

1. Nvidia isn't actually selling a fully fleshed out FSD software package, they're basically only selling a *framework* for building a FSD software package ("actual real world training not included hehe");

2. Nvidia's CEO straight up said that, in his personal opinion, Tesla's FSD tech is "absolutely world class" (he didn't say the same thing Waymo, odd case);

3. Nvidia's framework is predicated on *camera only* FSD technology -- no LIDAR contemplated (wait a minute...!)

LJL you people really are pretty fucking retarded. It's amazing how you guys keep falling for the same media lies over and over and over and over again instead of actually doing your own homework and critically analyzing shit yourselves.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49605373)

1. It's extremely expensive tech on its face.

2. It's *much* harder to quickly produce and scale LIDAR-equipped cars compared to camera-only cars.

3. It's not only completely unnecessary for the task at hand (all humans roads were built for vision-only drivers and every human driver in history has only ever used their vision to navigate), but it can also become downright dangerous in certain cases (ex: it can get confused under certain atmospheric circumstances and start sending input signals that contradict what the cameras are saying, and then the computer brain has to figure out which one to trust in a split second and things can get even dicier than they need to be). It's a classic example of over engineering because you didn't step back and consider first principles ("Hey, do we really need to use LIDAR to get cars to drive themselves when the humans who currently drive don't have LIDAR?")

Or, as Karen has so eloquently put it a dozen times ITT now: I'm a retard with a tiny dick who doesn't know shit.

Either one, take your pick.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49605394)

Yes and no.

1. First off, nobody has ever claimed that cameras are going to work 100% perfectly 100% of the time -- but then again, since when is that the operative benchmark here? Even the very best human drivers right now are far from 100% perfect 100% of the time, and yet we still let much shittier drivers onto the road. FSD tech just needs to get to a point where we're comfortable acknowledging that it would be statistically irresponsible for us as a society *not* to basically mandate it; I would argue that on the numbers we're basically already there, but as the tech continues to improve in the next few years, insurance companies will do the heavy lifting on this front and people who get a FSD car will start getting discounts while people who choose to continue to drive themselves will have to pay higher premiums, etc.

2. There are simply some weather conditions where nobody should be on the road, period. That's true today with human drivers, and it will remain true 10 years from now when the roads are filled with autonomous vehicles. That's not a problem with FSD tech, it's just a fact of this world.

3. You might think they would always be "stronger in conjunction," but Musk has come out and said very clearly that this simply isn't borne out in the data (for reasons cited above) and I believe him. So does the CEO of Nvidia, apparently, because the FSD software package that they just released is also predicated on a camera-only tech stack. Personally I think I'll take their word on this topic rather than the brilliant thoughts of a bunch of angry shitlib retards on the internet who irrationally hate Tesla and claim that everything Elon does is "retarded," but that's just me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49605428)

Kinda like a ltm response re violent niggers or obvious shitlib corruption

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49605435)

Yeah I don't understand what you're trying to say here but it's cool bro if you think LIDAR is necessary, than you 100% shouldn't be invest in TSLA because they're all in on camera-only tech at this point.

We each get to place our chips on the table.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49605437)

Also I'm pretty sure Elon doesn't want lidar just because it's more expensive and probably is also prone to break more in real world conditions

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49605443)

Good analogy, IMO self-driving cars are very similar to robot vacuums. Seems solid.

ljl jfc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49605446)

Like we forgot ur whole trump will never be potus run or the hundreds of other times u sat in ur little chair claiming how right u were only to get proven wrong like a little bitch and having to bend over and take our cock like the cuck u r

I've never even seen u have an original thought, the only thing u ever do is just argue about HOW RIGHT ur opinion is

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49605460)

k

(Don't give a fuck)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49605472)

Teslas do indeed have six cameras on them, although their FPS is "only" ~36. That seems to work pretty damn good though, see e.g. http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2#49605509 . I don't pretend to be a FPS Scholar, but considering that Elon Musk has basically staked the future of his flagshop company on his camera-only solution being up to the challenge, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he's analyzed this issue pretty carefully and come to a justified conclusion that this is a sufficient frame rate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49606980)

Look, I could make a bull case for Tesla's technology and why it might have better long-term prospects than Waymo for a variety of different reasons. I'm hardly a diehard Elon/Tesla bear. But anyone who can say with a straight face that Tesla's current FSD is somehow better than Waymo's is a fucking moron. Any remotely objective observer can see that Waymo is light years ahead right now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49607645)

Tesla's current tech stack is objectively better than Waymo's and it's not even close.

Why?

Tesla's approach is camera-only (which is way cheaper and frankly the only scalable approach that makes financial sense but I acknowledge that end users don't really care about that aspect so whatever) + it's actually designed from the ground up to be able to handle pretty much any condition on any road including roads it's never encountered before, and it isn't limited by the need to carefully map out in advance and then constantly maintain and update meticulous maps of every area in which it drives (this is huge and it's basically an insurmountable deployment issue on Waymo's side and it's also a core design flaw which they won't be able to easily alter). Together, those two elements alone = game over in the arms race.

You: "Nu-uh! In fact, Teslas sucks so hard right now that it's only in like one tiny area in Austin and they still have babysitters... ackkkkkshually, technically it's barely even a Level 2 assistive system!"

OldHLSDude (aka probably one of the only people on this gay bort other than me who actually has direct recent substantial experience with this tech and btw he doesn't even own TSLA stonk so he's absolutely not shilling for the company on that level): https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&mc=78&forum_id=2#49605509

No shit Elon is being *extremely* conservative with rolling out fully autonomous cybertaxis because he knows that one big fuck up could set the whole thing back bigly and tank public trust in the tech. Idiots like you think that means the tech isn't there, even though it requires you to willfully ignore a growing chorus of actual Tesla drivers like OldHLSDude who say it's "magic" and they regularly drive thousands of miles anywhere in the country without touching their steering wheels (yeah that sure sounds like Level 2 haha yeah haha).

You smug faggots truly have no idea what's coming in the next few years. Can't wait to watch you idiots eat shit on all of this just like you had to eat shit on all of the years you mocked and scorned me for correctly predicting that BTC was one of the best buy-and-hold assets of our lifetimes way back in 2013 -- oh wait, you're a Pumo, so you'll just disappear as if nothing happened. In fact, it's almost like that's *why* you're a Pumo in the first place... :)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49607700)

And the fact that you will make completely ignorant statements like, "camera-only [is] way cheaper" shows that you don't understand the current state of the market at all. That might have been a true statement 5-10 years ago. Today, you can put lidar on a new car for a couple hundred bucks. If lidar is so useless, why do older Tesla models use it? I'll tell you why: Because the head of Tesla's lidar division left for Waymo. Elon sperged out and demanded it that it be removed from all of Tesla's vehicles to try to prove that he didn't need this guy in the first place. I love the way that the Elon fanbois act like every type Elon takes a shit it's some kind of stroke of genius. No, the reason Tesla doesn't use lidar is because Elon has the maturity of a fucking five-year-old. Maybe he'll make it work, but it's not because of Elon's genius and vision. It's simply a self-inflicted handicap. Doesn't it seem a little weird that literally every company experimenting in the autonomous driving space is using lidar other than Tesla?

Look, since you are clearly a dumb fanboi with your mouth around Elon's cock and can't view the data objectively, I'll make the bull case for Tesla for you: The biggest problem with running any taxi business profitably is the fact that demand is not even close to being static. There is a huge surge in demand at certain times during the day: at the end of the work day, at the beginning or ending of major sports events, when the bars close, etc. Demand is pretty low for the rest of the day. That's a major problem for a service like Waymo, which either has to have a ton of expensive hardware sitting idle for most of the day or they can't meet demand when it is high. If Tesla can get their FSD to the point where it works without supervision under at least some conditions, they could actually solve this problem as individual Tesla owners rent out their cars short-term when demand is high. That's the best argument I've heard for why Tesla's robotaxi service isn't det already. But it's a gigantic "if." Elon's track record of predictions about autonomous driving isn't exactly stellar:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_predictions_for_autonomous_Tesla_vehicles_by_Elon_Musk

But only someone with Elon's cock in their mouth would try to say that their software itself is anywhere close to Waymo's software. Right now, Tesla's FSD is at best around the driving level of a 15-year-old who just got their learner's permit. And so far, there is no evidence that it is even possible to build a decent autonomous driving program without the detailed maps Waymo uses. There's simply too many edge cases that the software can't handle. Where I live, there are certain lights where left turns aren't allowed during rush hour. My FSD will ignore that restriction every single time. Getting an autonomous driving program to work 99.9% of the time is fairly easy. But getting that final 0.1% is turning out to be far more difficult than anyone thought.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49607741)

1. Yes I got that call wrong literally 10 years ago, along with my other XOers and about 90%+ of the American media. I love how this gets portrayed by retards like you as some crazy retarded call, instead of the opinion that a supermajority of sophisticated lifelong political nerds (wrongly) held. But sure, I got that wrong.

2. How much crypto did anyone on XO lose in FTX? Never heard of a case, but sure I underestimated the risk of that, as well.

That's over 15+ years of poasting. Any other data points? Now shall we talk about all of the stuff I've been way ahead of the curve on, or naw, I got two things wrong, so therefore I'm retarded?

The rest of your poast is laughably stupid and wrong on many levels. But sure have fun betting against Elon, IMO it's been working out really well for a lot of people for many years now AFAIK. I mean, it's not like he's every actually accomplished anything in the real world (lol).

Btw, are you shorting TSLA? No? Oh wow, odd case! Just like pretty much every other smug faggot I run into on the internet who love to talk shit about what a midwit childish idiot Elon Musk is and how fake and gay his "tech" is... gee, I wonder why that is... guess you just don't love making easy money! ;)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49607753)

I'm not spending time "refuting" it because I've had this debate plenty of times with people who are way smarter and seemingly better schooled on this subject than you, and you're some random faggot Pumo so ultimately there's no accountability on your end anyway so why bother?

The bottom line is that I actually a track record of making smart and prescient document financial calls on XO, and you're just some random Pumo talking shit online. And unlike you, I also actually have big money tied up in TSLA (because I am very confident in my positions after hundreds of hours of deep research over many years), whereas you have no financial skin in this game even though you could easy short TSLA if you wanted and make a nice easy payday (and we both agree that it's INSANELY overvalued with huge downside if you're correct and 2026 will indeed be a "put up or shut up" year for the company on this tech).

That says it all. So enjoy being wrong and staying poor.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49607766)

(Retard who apparently sincerely thinks that fucking Mercedez-Benz, which is technically a "Level 3" program, objectively has a better FSD tech stack than Tesla in 2026)

Insurance companies in 2026: "Hey, nice cute little 'Level 2' driver assist program you've got there, Elon!"

https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824758&mc=6&forum_id=2

But to be fair, insurance companies are probably just in the bag for Elon, sucking his dick or whatever... I mean, that's their line of business, right? Sucking up to Elon Musk?

Lmao I can't wait for 2030. Bookmarked.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49607775)

You nailed it, I was just kidding. Elon is a joke and TSLA is shit, don't buy any. Good eye, you're obviously very smart -- glad you saw through this one, bud!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49605433)

nothing TBF has ever written even remotely resembles intelligence, artificial or otherwise

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49605463)

The FSD system behaves like a human. It exhibits anticipatory defensive behavior and sometimes starts to do something then changes its mind as it acquires more information about the scene. In those latter cases it has always been an ambiguous situation that I also had trouble parsing. It works great in rain and fog. Its night vision is superhuman. Overall, Tesla FSD adds greatly to driving safety.

One criticism I have is that the 85 mph FSD limit is not adequate for some roads, especially in Phoenix where 100 mph is common off rush hour, or maybe during rush hour in the HOV lanes. In hurry or Mad Max modes it can be a left lane bandit which pisses off anybody behind going over 85. FSD keeps working at higher speeds, but I'm guessing it's beyond the design envelope and it will stridently protest if you manually accelerate (manual acceleration does not disconnect FSD, but does disable auto braking). It's also perhaps overly cautious with lane changes, and likes to signal well in advance. At stop signs it comes to a full legal stop at the proper place, then will advance a little if it needs a better view. Most humans would just roll it.

Saturday I took a 100 mile round trip to have breakfast with a friend. I didn't have to touch any controls. The built in Grok recommended a great restaurant, took us there and parked without any intervention by me at all. BTW, Grok is now integrated with navigation, so you can give it complicated instructions, as in "Take me to breakfast at Joe's diner, but stop first at the Mary's Whorehouse but only but only after going to Bill the Bookie's place. Oh, and stop at a conveniently located ATM before the bookie's so I have cash."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49605509)

What?! This can't be true... I was told this "FSD" stuff is fake and/or extremely dangerous and/or Elon Musk secretly has millions of employees monitoring everyone using it and driving this system themselves using remote controls and he's just pretending a computer is doing it (a bunch of incredibly poor and retarded idiots on Reddit are literally pushing this conspiracy theory now btw lmao the cope is now reaching levels never before imagined and it's incredible to behold just wait until Elon starts mass producing Optimus robots in a few years these faggots are literally going to kill themselves).

Stop lying, you know it's shit! Super smart Jewish Pumos have been assuring us that Tesla's FSD package is total crap and a yuuuuge scam for years now, and we all know that they would never lie or be hilarious wrong about something like this!

BTW do you own any TSLA?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49605574)

Have been attacked by several acquaintances who have severe TDS for getting a Tesla (Cybertruck). Trump bad! Musk bad! End of story.

I'm still amazed by the thing. I just came back from the UPS store. I told it to go to the nearest UPS store and off we went. On our street a neighbor was backing out of his driveway. The Tesla slowed down, then realized he had seen us and stopped, then went on its way. It's very human in its behavior.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49606508)

Really weird that all of the liberals and kikes (who obviously know what they're talking about on this topic and are really really smart and well-educated) who are laughing and calling me a "retard" for saying that Tesla's FSD tech is going to sweep the world and praising Elon and saying that TSLA remains a great buy-and-hold stonk elsewhere in this thread seem to be intentionally ignoring all of your poasts in this subthread providing details about your actual extensive recent real world experience with this technology.

Odd case. Very interesting!

Hmmm I wonder why that is?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49606563)

"As a fancy driver assistance feature"

Just bookmarked this thread, can't wait to bump in 3 years. And don't invoke OldHLSDude here, he said this tech is "magic" and "transformative" and I don't think he would agree with your retarded "I mean it's pretty good for a driver assist feature but it will never achieve real autonomy" skepticism at all.

But again, you're a Pumo, so you'll just disappear into the ether and pretend you never said any of this. By design there's no accountability at all on your end for bad calls and retarded predictions -- even though you're literally sitting here smugly invoking old threads I made 10+ years ago against me to try and "win" an argument when the substance of your positions is shit.

Odd case! Almost seems kind of Jewish, IMO.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49607763)

Are you in? I'm guessing not, because you know that you're full of shit and are too scared to put your money where your mouth is.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49607768)

No I don't know of any such sites and even if I did I'm not doing any of that shit with a Pumo. Fuck you kike, get a real stable longterm Sudo if you want to be considered an actual member of this community. You're subhuman in my eyes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49607771)

BTW, I'll gladly switch to one of my sudos if that will get you to take my bet. I'll never pass up a shot at free money.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49607779)

Do you have a sudo I would recognize? Let's see it if so.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49607780)

So your most notable Sudo presence is… a random monicker I have literally never even see before that you clearly made just to mock TSINAH and which you apparently pull out periodically for that purpose before quickly reverting back to being a Pumo?

Well why didn’t you just say so brother, of course you’re back in the Sudo family — welcome home we’ve all missed you!

Stupid Jewish Pumo faggot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49607808)

Imagine my surprise!

*Hava Nagila intensifies*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49607817)

Can't wait to see what Sudo he pulls out here.

EDIT: It was the famous “TSINAH eating Jimmy John’s in a gay bar,” well known and beloved by all!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49607786)

(Typical Pumo Chad who would rather spend 30 hours of his awesome life manually drive 2,100 miles because "who even cares, like what's the difference anyway unless I can also be blackout drunk and dancing behind the wheel")

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49607728)

IDK man you do you, Karen and a bunch of Jewish Pumos keep mocking me and assuring us that it's going to crash down to zero and there was a whole big thread about how I was going to go broke soon because TSLA was totally plummeting back down below $100 any day now (IIRC this was before it shot up to almost $500 a few weeks ago)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49605577)

Hey man, you can do better than this. I'm sure if you spend just a few more minutes, you can easily cherrypick an even better data point that shows that it's DOWN like 10% or whatever since [X] date, which means I'm literally an undeniable fucking retard for buying it and continuing to own it. That's just Investment 101.

YWIA.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49606559)

Yeah man, the fact that I own a bunch of TSLA stonks in 2026 is a real sore point for me, damn why do you keep reminding me of that, it's really getting under my skin.

Grrrr. You got me. >:(

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49606598)

TBF, i'm normally a big fan, but this is pretty cringe

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49606316)

CR I was just joking bro, this article is shit and frankly so is Elon Musk/ Tesla. Please don't waste your money and buy any "TSLA," I was just messing around man. Only idiots fall for this stupid scam.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49606561)

or you could just actually read stuff for 30 seconds before you post it and this will never happen to you again

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49606575)

What do you want me to say? Apparently you think this article is "retarded," and I think it's dead on. Shall I spend and hour or two of my finite time on this Earth writing a 10,000 word rebuttal to your brilliant and detailed one line "ackkkkshually this is trash trust me bro" analysis?

You're some total stranger on the internet who is poasting extremely low-effort takes, so fuck off faggot and stay poor. I'm way too old and rich at this point in my life to give a single shit about whatever you have to say about anything.

Frankly, you're lucky I even bothered to poast this link and bring it to your attention in the first place -- I just hope you remember this interaction when Tesla is skyrocketing past $5 trillion+ market cap in a few years, and you still don't own any TSLA. ("Whatever, a black swan event that nobody could have actually seen this coming... some people just get lucky gambling at the casino, oh well.")

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49606582)

(Guy who is, oddly enough, still taking time out of his day to voluntarily poast in *my* thread, weird)

Have a good one man!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49606595)

the third party ecosystem for tesla robots is a trillion dollar business

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49606532)

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824507&forum_id=2)#49606619)