I also take credit for the WGWAG WGWAG ZIMMERHERO LETS POAST MOAR ragnus generate spam several years ago.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2).#28217389)

I could probably go into tutoring for myself at this point as I have a good rep/references, but I need something a bit more intellectual challenging/stable. Plus it would require upfront costs to open a solo shop which I don't have as my parents are poors.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2).#28217370)

what I really failed at was applying to PhD programs, which I was repeated rejected from through a combo of laziness + extraordinarily bad luck. still very bitter but getting over it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2).#28217384)

I'd prefer to do CS than private sector geology though. Geology academic research is 180 as fuck, but all the private jobs are pretty god-damn boring except for a few high-up scientists at bigoil (but they're the types who had PhDs anyway).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2).#28217415)

I don't know anything about careers/life or whatever, but from what I've read a lot of those cash-cow CS programs tend to be a good investment.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2).#28217426)

Starting my career six years late sucks, but whatever.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2).#28217435)

it seemed more organized than penn's program, and i prefer quarters for purposes of getting stuff done faster. if i'm doing it full time there's not much advantage to semesters

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2).#28220533)

So is business just not a good field for poors to go into?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2).#28217489)

Or you could just major in CS/applied math/engineering, which guarantees a job.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2).#28217498)

It sucks, I got into a pretty good UG (top 25) but it seems like all of the kids who actually do well and cop the best jobs are from rich families. Then again, most of the poors choose shit like race studies or whatever over Econ, but I'm white so I have to go with econ by default.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2).#28217516)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2).#28217566)

plus most of them are only focused on one aspect, e.g. web development or apps. you aren't going to get a proper treatment of algorithms, or OS/systems in one of those things.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2).#28218909)

I think they're pretty sweet for the right person, but they're very misleading wrt advertising (u can make 100k after just 16 weeks Mr. Teacher!)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2).#28218964)

I think being proud of the Confederacy is BS, I'm just a huge fan of general Southern culture.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2).#28217374)

something like the Palmetto that's on SC's flag?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2).#28217964)

he still poasts. probably has a hot GF as he usually seems to.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2).#28217378)

I do not currently have a gf though, hot or otherwise :(

still whine a lot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2).#28223076)

did she have a platform of some kind? Like a successful blog or something? Not trying to figure out who she is, more interested in the pathways to it. My debut was single-digit four figures then the fucking publisher went out of business

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2).#28218351)

we were only coworkers but I talked to her quite a bit about it because it's something you so rarely see someone succeed at. FWIW she gave much of the credit to her agent

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2).#28218357)

there are certainly good poasters left, but this place has really gone down the tubes. not only is it increasingly toxic, but the level of discourse has dropped significantly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2).#28218799)

stfu fgt before I punch u in the face stupid

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2).#28220671)

Because it was all in good LOL.

Then they poasted about shitlibs, and I gave them one hundred eighty—

Because shitlibs are real retarded sir.

Then they poasted about Jezebel, and I gave them one hundred eighty—

Because they deserve to get tongue punched in the fart box.

Then they poasted about misery—because cynical faggots all were we.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2).#28220865)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2).#28218149)

jfc bro. this is a horrible life outcome even for xoxo. but i'm hoping you can still turn it around.

you do NOT want to go into CS at 27. you obviously do not have a real passion or knack for it, or else you would have done it much earlier. 27 is when people who started off as developers start moving out and transitioning into other things like management or founding their own startups and shit.

i understand the job market is really good for coders in the US, but shit man, you do not want to do this especially if you have to go to school first.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2).#28218412)

fresh grad coders are so much cheaper and they are super efficient once they get trained and have much less need to take time off than older ones.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2).#28218434)

And TBF, XO is really fucking off on CS career paths. Yes, startups tend to be created by people in the late 20s/early 30s, but all of my CS friends (and I have a lot) are still plugging along at 27-29 except for the random guy who decided to just be a DJ.

XO has been wrong pretty much every step of the way as far as career advice in non-law/finance goes from what I've seen (and I've been here 10 years). Before I began listening to XO, I had a solid life plan and was on track. Once I started listening to XO I pretty much froze and half-assed the rest of my life after becoming hyper-pessimistic. I'm not retarded, and if there's anything I've learned from this shithole it's that if you're a smart person with a realistic plan you shouldn't fucking listen to XO or you'll kill yourself.

No shit it isn't ideal (for a number of reasons--age, cost, etc.), but this isn't some eat-pray-love BS. It's a pretty well thought-out plan B, and fuck XO for turning me into the cynical asshole that I am. This place may be right about law, but it also does a great job of discouraging people who have legitimately well thought out goals with the armchair MFE analysis.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2).#28218518)

He never outwardly had a problem with me while I was in his lab, but he was extremely aspie and bad at communicating so I probably ended up not meeting his expectations (as I had no idea wtf I was doing due to lack of guidance). Even so, it seems pretty fucking TTT to tank someone who's been out of UG for a while (and matured) with a bad LOR.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2).#28219370)

Simply drifting aimlessly and apply for three years in a row is absolutely ridiculous. And no, xoxo would not have given you that advice.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2).#28219533)

What XO will do is talk you out of any plan you have, no matter what the age and trajectory (unless you're already a successful bro and pondering options that successful bros have). Eventually you just fucking give up out of pure hatred ("FTGE!") and cynicism. Well, suck my tiny pink dick you faggot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2).#28219548)

and even if you want to switch to CS, there is very little reason to pay for school. start reading and working with any number of online courses, and start pitching in on open source project on Github.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2).#28219641)

Again, this "advice" is what makes XO ttt these days. I've thought this through inside and out (yes, including starting a tutoring business). I'm not an idiot dreaming of becoming a Manhattan DA while taking out 200k loans for LS--part of getting your dreams crushed is that you tend to be much more realistic when evaluating your options.

Should I have done this before? Absolutely. It sucks losing two years--I could have either a) done this program earlier, or b) at least picked up enough on my own to get into a cheap state school program that requires a background. Unfortunately this is where I fucking am, and I've considered all options thoroughly. But if you think you're already old and pretty much useless (XO cannon after age 24 or so), as well as generally cynical and bitter as fuck, guess what--you tend to just let life slide by.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2).#28219694)

i would still go in with the expectation of only doing coding for a few years and have an eye toward an exit plan.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2).#28219779)

what I would've gotten a PhD in has good employment options outside of academia, so even if I failed at academia I wouldn't have had to worry about getting a jerb.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2).#28218819)

This is literally something that a CS PhD has said to me "coding is basically a mechanic's work." It's as far from doing original research as you can imagine.

Yes, you can get a job switching into CS at this point. But trust me, there is a reason why people move out of CS after doing it for a few years. Coding is not a career. You will be back to where you are now after this stint, and have to figure things out all over again, just a few years older again.

and LOL at this being MFE analysis. this is the cold hard nigga truth, and if you don't see the difference, then I'm sorry.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2).#28219504)

There is near zero fucking chance you have talked to actual CS PhDs. Why would you? A) there really aren't many of them, B) so you just had a casual conversation about how coding is really like mechanic's work? Yeah, that happens all the time. I'm sure some CS PhDs think that way, but there are also CS PhD bros who are 100x smarter than me and probably think anything less than [insanely hard to grasp academic topic] is prole. But more to the point, it's very likely you just fucking made that up to sound like an MFE. Even if you didn't, I for damn sure have put more thought into energy looking into the area and weighing my options than some random faggot on a law message board has.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2).#28219568)

why would it be weird for me to talk to CS PhD's? I was having a beer with this guy and few other friends at a bar when it came up.

fwiw, i do know bros who switched into CS at around your age. they get a job with kind of a shittier company, and have very little career mobility. i don't think they are happy, and they tend to look to be in very bad shape physically, because coding is backbreaking labor of the modern age.

i don't doubt that you are competent enough at math to make a passable coder, but i'm telling you the most likely outcome right now (but not the only possible outcome of course). whatever you do with that information is up to you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2).#28219614)

For what it's worth, you're one of the worst. I remember back in the day you were actually talking complete shit about my plans (which in hindsight were entirely reasonable), in a field you no less knew literally nothing about. It's that kind of shit that seeps into your mind--even if you disagree, you can only read toxic shit so much without taking some of it in.

Of course by coincidence this is something you actually have experience with, but as someone who's never been happy for more than three years in any given job or location it seems ludicrous that you would dispense advice. Naturally you're going to look down on CS since you grow to loathe most things over time. Of all the people I've talked to, my friends in CS generally have the most positive experiences by far--they genuinely like their jobs, unlikely the people I know in finance/consulting/etc (granted some of them enjoy what they do, but it's more because some people just enjoy making lots of money--I don't care as much about money so long as it's decent and I get to use my brain on problems).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2).#28219670)

i think the advice i gave you before was based on my general experience with academia, which is applicable even if it wasn't geology specifically. i don't talk about my life that much on here, but i have done original research through an REU program, and have enough experience dealing with PhD's and professors to know what it's like generally.

yeah, i do hate CS more than others who have done it, but my reasons are still entirely justified and most people will arrive at the same conclusions, but might just take longer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2).#28219723)

How do you know that? As I said, you're pretty much the epitome of standard toxic XO. You've latched on to some facts which are true, but then distorted that into the mindset that you have the objectively correct outlook on life or a given topic, and see pretty much everything painted in the context of your supremely correct judgment.

My plan sounds dumb to you because you pretty much loathe CS and seek out any opinions which affirm your belief as such.

Like I said, I'm fully aware my plan isn't perfect or ideal, but it should work. And even if I find full-time CS miserable, as least I have the option of doing something else afterwards. Past that, if I'm a long-term depressive who ends up hating everything I'll just kill myself and be done with it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2).#28219776)

second, the skills you learn from working as a coder after you learn the initial ropes are completely useless. the best way to increase your efficiency is to know the SPECIFIC codebase you are working on, and that knowledge is completely non-transferable, and this is why experience in coding not nearly as sought after as other industries.

when i get resumes these days from 30+ engineers who have a laundry list of projects they worked out, this is just so glaringly obvious. they have zero advantage over some fresh graduate who did their senior project in iOS/Android. this is why it's not a CAREER.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2).#28219808)

The difference is you're concerned with prestige and moving up the ladder; which is fine, obviously many people on XO. I'm not, unless I ever stumble across my own idea which I think warrants starting a business. I could genuinely give less of a flying fuck about climbing the corporate ladder as long as I'm getting paid decently and enjoy what I'm doing (most of the time). If I'm worth a shit as a coder I'll be able to pick up new concepts and languages, and if after a few years it turns out I'm not, I'll have at least a bit of flexibility to do something else.

"working in front of computers for long hours and doing the mental equivalent of backbreaking labor is not sustainable if you value your health, full period stop."

What? Before you compared it to being a mechanic, which is pretty much the opposite of being analogous to something which is "mental equivalent of backbreaking labor".

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2).#28219848)

dood, it's not about prestige. it's about job security. coders have no job security, because if you get laid off after 30, you will have no competitive advantage on the market unlike many other industries.

the situation you have now in the US with coders is an anomaly from an acute shortage because Americans right fully value working in more chill and less mentally draining jobs, and more client facing jobs. in China, there is a shortage now too, but it's still not as bad as the US, and you see 30+ coders get absolutely SHAT on.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2).#28219873)

many of those "recent graduates" have little experience in what they get hired for anyway. one of my friends did old school windows C/network programming, and now he'a fucking webdev. as long as you know the principles and how it works, someone will hire you. no, it isn't going to pay as well as much as a mid-level position, and you might not get something terribly prestigious, but you'll get a job in your field.

also: you do nothing novel 99% of the time in literally almost every career. even people doing academic research spend most of their time doing menial shit over and over again. that's just part of having a job and you learn to deal with it, and is something you've complained about pretty much ever since you started working. chose something you don't mind doing over and over that at the end of the day you can at least be kind of proud of, or lets you transition to a career where you can be proud of something you build.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2).#28219922)

you are right on the last paragraph. but unlike other mundane repetitive jobs, coding for years and years will literally destroy your health. i can count the number of a long time dev who didn't look like shit physically that i've met on one hand.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2).#28219942)

besides, there are plenty of jobs where you do the same shit for most of your career. teaching, medicine/dentistry, being a mechanic, tradesmen, etc.

"but unlike other mundane repetitive jobs, coding for years and years will literally destroy your health. i have never met a long time dev who didn't look like shit physically. "

CS is also a field that for obvious reasons attracts people who don't give a shit about their health moreso than literally anything else. That's changed with the rise of bro-coders in recent years, but the previous generation (ie those who are actually older) wouldn't know a squat rack if it hit them in the fucking face.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2).#28219985)

coding as a job DESTROYS your body and health. i don't mind doing it here and there, but i would never do it 40+ hours a week.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2).#28220018)

unmarried at 30? LOL the 21 y/o wifeable gf train has left the building bro.

married at 30? LOL enjoy misery.

kids? LOL enjoy $$$ and not having a life.

no kids? LOL enjoy being alone at death and having no purpose.

not a success at 22? LOL you're old and no matter the plan it will not turn out well for [insert MFE reasoning by lawyer here].

success at 29? LOL enjoy your soul-sucking corporate job you husk of a human being. how's not having a life working out for you?

live in MFH with a babby on the way? LOL unless you're making 500k enjoy your miserable overpriced life.

life outside of MFH with a babby on the way? LOL enjoy your shitty life in the suburbs you boring old faggot.

I could go on and on.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2).#28218759)

I deleted the post and content as I was mad some poasters doubted me. So being a histrionic beta at the time (this was during the LOLBOX period), instead of screenshotting it I deleted the email and wiped it from history.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2).#28219109)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921773&forum_id=2).#28218849)