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The legitimacy of the Catholic church stems from actual events, not words, moron
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Date: May 11th, 2025 8:50 PM Author: Vigorous Private Investor No one was saying "oh let's write down some doctrine and cram it down everyone's throat, btw let's borrow some political ideas from the emperor and do it in Rome."
What actually happened was that christian communities formed all over, with no central authority or anyone telling them what to do. Some of these communities started doing and believing wild things, others weren't so sure. This went on for CENTURIES before we had The Pope.
At the same time, they all considered themselves Christian and understood the story of Jesus, so it wasn't entirely random. It had to have all begun with people speaking authoritatively about the life of Jesus, because there's no other way you could have Christians living 1000 miles apart who understood the story the same way. There was no Bible at this time, and no one could read.
All you have to do is figure out HOW that happened, WHO was spreading the message early on, and WHAT they said to everyone, before the ensuing chaos. If you think you've got that figured out, there's your Catholic church. The end. |
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Date: May 12th, 2025 4:22 PM Author: Scarlet Sound Barrier you are chinese (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5723857&forum_id=2).#48924750) |
Date: May 11th, 2025 10:43 PM Author: drab contagious corner if there's one things human beings are good at
its working together on some huge constructive thing as a large secretive group and all coming correct about it |
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Date: May 11th, 2025 10:48 PM Author: Vigorous Private Investor You're welcome to revisit the debates people were having at the time. None of it is "hidden knowledge." If someone took the time to write a letter and send it to a bunch of churches, we have it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5723857&forum_id=2).#48922807) |
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Date: May 11th, 2025 10:45 PM Author: Electric rambunctious roommate the papacy was a last ditch effort to control the west that devolved into one city and bunch of warlords, frankly if charlemagne hadn't granted it legitimacy the whole thing would probably be gone by now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5723857&forum_id=2).#48922799) |
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Date: May 11th, 2025 10:48 PM Author: slimy crawly bawdyhouse what part of the keys of the kingdom of heaven and apostolic succession do you poli sci shitheads not understand? sometimes peoples' reasons for believing or doing things are, in fact, their stated reasons. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5723857&forum_id=2).#48922808) |
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Date: May 11th, 2025 10:49 PM Author: Vigorous Private Investor Apostolic succession is the worst justification for founding a church except for all the other justifications. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5723857&forum_id=2).#48922811) |
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Date: May 11th, 2025 10:49 PM Author: Maniacal partner this is not accurate. The pope in its current form came out of a self-interested power grab by Rome. The churches were in relatively strong agreement through the 1st millennium, and Rome was used by general agreement to resolve disputes in an advisory capacity. Over time, Rome began to see itself as having de jure authority, which the other churches never accepted, and will never accept. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5723857&forum_id=2).#48922810) |
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Date: May 11th, 2025 10:51 PM Author: Vigorous Private Investor How are you supposed to amplify the doctrine if every community understands it differently? And where else would you do it except in the capital? That's why I'm saying it was driven by EVENTS. If Antioch had been politically powerful the church would have been based there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5723857&forum_id=2).#48922814) |
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Date: May 11th, 2025 10:52 PM Author: Maniacal partner i dont know what "amplify the doctrine" means.
You're right, Rome was given a position of honor in resolving disputes through events that led to the other churches respecting it, but it never had legal authority over other churches. |
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Date: May 11th, 2025 10:54 PM Author: Vigorous Private Investor Do you really think Constantine became a devout believer? I bet you do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5723857&forum_id=2).#48922820) |
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Date: May 11th, 2025 10:55 PM Author: Maniacal partner how is that an argument for papal supremacy and universal jurisdiction (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5723857&forum_id=2).#48922822) |
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Date: May 11th, 2025 10:55 PM Author: Vigorous Private Investor Why are you trying to change the topic of the discussion in mid-stream? I haven't even gotten to this guy yet:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W%C5%82adys%C5%82aw_II_Jagie%C5%82%C5%82o |
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Date: May 11th, 2025 10:57 PM Author: Maniacal partner "Some of these communities started doing and believing wild things, others weren't so sure. This went on for CENTURIES before we had a Pope."
This is just silly. |
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Date: May 11th, 2025 11:00 PM Author: Vigorous Private Investor We didn't even have a New Testament until about 400AD. Until then we had apostolic fathers you know nothing about. You couldn't name one and explain why he was important. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5723857&forum_id=2).#48922830) |
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Date: May 11th, 2025 11:00 PM Author: Maniacal partner Thank God the Pope ordered Irenaeus to write some books (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5723857&forum_id=2).#48922832) |
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Date: May 11th, 2025 11:01 PM Author: Vigorous Private Investor You hate the Bible we get it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5723857&forum_id=2).#48922834) |
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Date: May 11th, 2025 11:01 PM Author: Maniacal partner lmao I kissed the bible this morning (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5723857&forum_id=2).#48922835) |
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Date: May 11th, 2025 11:01 PM Author: Vigorous Private Investor Wow, I'm growing more impressed with your intellect by the minute. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5723857&forum_id=2).#48922836) |
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Date: May 11th, 2025 11:02 PM Author: Maniacal partner lol at Christianity being about intellect. Go to church and venerate an icon you filthy papist (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5723857&forum_id=2).#48922838) |
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Date: May 11th, 2025 11:06 PM Author: Vigorous Private Investor Hang on, let me forget every history book ever written about this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5723857&forum_id=2).#48922845) |
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Date: May 11th, 2025 11:09 PM Author: Maniacal partner hey bro ur bread looks a lil flat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5723857&forum_id=2).#48922850) |
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Date: May 12th, 2025 7:13 PM Author: slate striped hyena ironically prots are adulterers believing the logos = sacred scripture (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5723857&forum_id=2).#48925175) |
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Date: May 12th, 2025 7:22 PM Author: Vigorous Private Investor Sacred scripture but they never read it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5723857&forum_id=2).#48925194) |
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Date: November 4th, 2025 12:50 PM Author: bird bird lol @ this thread being this long with no mention of ecumenical councils (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5723857&forum_id=2).#49401191) |
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Date: November 4th, 2025 1:12 PM Author: Drunkard Or the great schism … (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5723857&forum_id=2).#49401249) |
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Date: November 4th, 2025 4:53 PM Author: bird bird Ljl (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5723857&forum_id=2).#49401824) |
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Date: November 4th, 2025 9:58 PM Author: bird bird (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5723857&forum_id=2).#49402523) |
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Date: November 4th, 2025 10:01 PM Author: self-satisfied and socially compliant A grilled cheese sandwich with the virgin mary burned onto it sold for $28,000 on ebay. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5723857&forum_id=2).#49402527) |