The most prestigious law school admissions discussion board in the world.
|
 |
 
|
Libs boycotting Tesla are just missing out on the top quality car on the market
Poast new message in this thread
Date: March 15th, 2025 6:44 PM Author: ,.,.,.,.,,.,..,:,,:,,.,:::,.,,.,:.,,.:.,:.,:.::,. Grok, how does Tesla’s quality compare to other brands in the market?
Tesla’s vehicle quality and reliability have been subjects of varied assessments in recent years. Here’s an overview of how Tesla compares to other car brands:
Consumer Reports Reliability Rankings: • 2024: Tesla ranked 17th out of 22 major brands in reliability, indicating below-average performance.  • 2023: Tesla was among the least reliable brands, with owners reporting issues related to build quality, body hardware, paint, trim, and electrical accessories. 
J.D. Power Initial Quality Study (2024): • The industry average for problems per 100 vehicles (PP100) was 195. Mass-market brands averaged 181 PP100, outperforming premium brands, which averaged 232 PP100. Specific data for Tesla was not provided in the available information. 
Electric Vehicle Reliability Trends: • Electric vehicles (EVs), including Tesla models, have shown improved reliability but still lag behind gasoline-powered vehicles. EVs were reported to have 42% more problems than gas cars, an improvement from the previous year’s 79%. 
In summary, while Tesla’s vehicles have faced reliability challenges compared to some other brands, they have shown improvements in certain areas over time. |
Date: March 15th, 2025 6:45 PM Author: ""''"'' TESLER it's got a different panel™ |
|
Date: March 16th, 2025 12:33 PM Author: ,.,.,.,.,,.,..,:,,:,,.,:::,.,,.,:.,,.:.,:.,:.::,. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5694702&forum_id=2).#48752409) |
|
Date: March 16th, 2025 12:36 PM Author: .,..,,.,.,.,.,.,..,.,.,..,.., Now ask it about the brand’s service reputation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5694702&forum_id=2).#48752414) |
 |
Date: March 16th, 2025 12:40 PM Author: ,.,.,.,.,,.,..,:,,:,,.,:::,.,,.,:.,,.:.,:.,:.::,. All that would prove is how stupid and easily tricked consumers are. The quality is what it is, if Tesla customers believe it’s actually better than it is that just means theyre dumb (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5694702&forum_id=2).#48752419) |
|
Date: March 16th, 2025 12:56 PM Author: .,..,,.,.,.,.,.,..,.,.,..,.., But cars have problems sometimes. That’s not a Tesla specific thing. What *is* a Tesla specific thing is their avoidance of the dealership model in favor of their own service centers. Not only are these riddled with issues and delays, they’re only getting worse as the company does not expand them to the scale of production. They’ve been able to eat off the goodwill of their bootlicking customer base for years but as that erodes they’re going to have to make changes they aren’t equipped to do (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5694702&forum_id=2).#48752448) |
|
Date: March 16th, 2025 1:10 PM Author: Die Hard 2: Die Harder This is sort of a bullshit complaint and i'm not a fanboi and don't own a Tesla.
All cars have hefty repair costs now.
And proprietary repairs are the name of the game. all manufacturers are doing it.
Ask BMW or Benz drivers about reliability and repair happiness. Or any luxury car driver besides Lexus, where the repairs are still high. |
|
Date: March 16th, 2025 5:04 PM Author: .,..,,.,.,.,.,.,..,.,.,..,.., Only Tesla felt the need to “disrupt” the dealership model. Turns out of that without a dealership with a reputation to protect, you can rest for a long time on a PURE SHIT standard of service (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5694702&forum_id=2).#48753084) |
|
Date: March 16th, 2025 12:43 PM Author: peeface seems silly to compare it with a Honda Accord. put it up against a Polestar or something. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5694702&forum_id=2).#48752430) |
|
Date: March 16th, 2025 12:47 PM Author: ,.,.,.,.,,.,..,:,,:,,.,:::,.,,.,:.,,.:.,:.,:.::,. Grok, what are the top EV brands in terms of overall build quality?
Here’s the ranking based on problems per 100 vehicles, from fewest to most, using the J.D. Power study as a primary benchmark, supplemented by brand performance trends:
1. BMW - Approximate PP100: ~186-200 • BMW’s EVs, like the i4 and iX, benefit from the brand’s strong showing in dependability. Porsche scored 186 PP100 in the J.D. Power study, and BMW’s premium brand performance is typically competitive, often slightly better or on par with mass-market leaders. Consumer Reports also praises BMW EVs for build quality, suggesting fewer issues than the BEV average of 223 PP100. 2. Porsche - PP100: 186 • Porsche ranks third among premium brands in the J.D. Power study with 186 PP100, reflecting high dependability for models like the Taycan. Its reputation for engineering excellence supports a low problem rate, despite the complexity of EV systems. 3. Hyundai - Approximate PP100: ~200-210 • Hyundai doesn’t have a specific PP100 listed in the study for its EVs alone, but its mass-market reliability is strong, often aligning with or slightly better than the industry average of 202 PP100. The Ioniq 5 and 6 score well in Consumer Reports for reliability, suggesting they fall below the BEV average of 223 PP100. 4. Kia - Approximate PP100: ~200-215 • Kia, closely tied to Hyundai, likely mirrors its sibling’s performance. The EV6 and EV9 are noted for quality in reviews, but mass-market brands saw a 16 PP100 increase in 2025 due to software issues. Kia’s PP100 is estimated near Hyundai’s, slightly above the industry average but below the BEV norm. 5. Rivian - Approximate PP100: ~220-230 • Rivian, as a newer EV maker, isn’t explicitly ranked in the J.D. Power study, but BEVs improved by 33 PP100 year-over-year to 223 PP100. Rivian’s R1T and R1S have faced initial quality hiccups typical of startups, yet owner feedback and updates suggest they’re aligning with or slightly above the BEV average. 6. Lucid - Approximate PP100: ~225-235 • Lucid also lacks a specific PP100 in the study, but as a luxury EV brand, it’s likely near the BEV average of 223 PP100 or slightly higher. Early production challenges with the Air have been noted, though its premium build may mitigate some issues over time. 7. Tesla - Approximate PP100: ~230-250 • Tesla’s dependability is trickier to pin down precisely. The J.D. Power study doesn’t isolate Tesla’s PP100, but BEVs at 223 PP100 include Tesla’s significant market share. Consumer Reports often ranks Tesla lower for reliability due to build quality and tech issues, and posts on X (e.g., from March 13, 2025) claim Tesla scored last among EVs. This suggests a PP100 notably above the BEV average, possibly 230-250.
Notes on the Ranking:
• Data Gaps: J.D. Power provides brand-specific PP100 for Porsche (186), Lexus (140), and others, but not all EV-focused brands like Tesla, Rivian, or Lucid are individually detailed. I’ve estimated based on BEV trends (223 PP100) and brand reputation. • Context: The 2025 study reflects 2022 models, so newer 2025 models (e.g., Kia EV9, Rivian updates) may improve over time. BEVs have narrowed the gap with gas vehicles (200 PP100), showing progress. • Assumptions: Tesla’s higher ranking for problems aligns with sentiment on X and Consumer Reports’ critiques, though exact PP100 is inferred. Hyundai and Kia benefit from mass-market reliability trends, while BMW and Porsche leverage premium engineering.
This ranking prioritizes Porsche and BMW for fewer problems, followed by Hyundai and Kia, with Rivian and Lucid in the middle, and Tesla trailing due to reported reliability challenges. If you need a deeper dive into a specific brand, let me know! |
|
Date: March 16th, 2025 12:55 PM Author: peeface did you actually read this? its either just extending the ICE brand reputation or completely making it up: "Lucid also lacks a specific PP100 in the study, but as a luxury EV brand, it’s likely near the BEV average "
|
|
Date: March 16th, 2025 1:00 PM Author: ,.,.,.,.,,.,..,:,,:,,.,:::,.,,.,:.,,.:.,:.,:.::,. lol, did you? It proves Tesla is shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5694702&forum_id=2).#48752461) |
|
Date: March 16th, 2025 1:09 PM Author: Cumbutt (gunneratttt) the pumo is an MDS obsessed retard and just trying to be say "lol even a musk product like GROK thinks tesla suckssss!"
but all he's doing is showing the limitations grok, and all llms, still have. and that grok wasn't programmed to be biased in favor of tesla. and also that he continues using x and grok despite spending all day being mad about musk. |
|
Date: March 16th, 2025 1:10 PM Author: butt cheeks (✅🍑) he's deranged and unemployed and not very bright (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5694702&forum_id=2).#48752493) |
|
Date: March 16th, 2025 1:02 PM Author: .,.,..,,.,,.,.;:,,.,...,:::,.,.,:,.,.:.,:.,:.::.. Teslas are not really 'top quality'. They're fast & they have good range as far as electric cars go & they have good electronics, but they're not that comfortable as luxury cars. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5694702&forum_id=2).#48752468) |
|
Date: March 16th, 2025 1:04 PM Author: ,.,.,.,.,,.,..,:,,:,,.,:::,.,,.,:.,,.:.,:.,:.::,. Cons tell me otherwise. Oddly, Elon’s biased AI doesn’t even agree with them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5694702&forum_id=2).#48752476) |
|
Date: March 16th, 2025 1:10 PM Author: butt cheeks (✅🍑) I'm lolling how libs now hate electric cars (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5694702&forum_id=2).#48752491) |
|
Date: March 16th, 2025 1:17 PM Author: ,.,.,.,.,,.,..,:,,:,,.,:::,.,,.,:.,,.:.,:.,:.::,. We love electric cars, we hate Tesla and Musk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5694702&forum_id=2).#48752511) |
|
Date: March 16th, 2025 1:25 PM Author: Cumbutt (gunneratttt) it's nice that you immediately admitted that you're biased here and this thread has nothing to do with an objective analysis of tesla's build quality.
it's also 180 that despite your MDS you still use x and grok but to try to pwn musk.
grrr i hate musk so i'm going to spend all my time enriching him by using his products grrrr musk grrr |
|
Date: March 16th, 2025 1:26 PM Author: ,.,.,.,.,,.,..,:,,:,,.,:::,.,,.,:.,,.:.,:.,:.::,. I’m biased, but are you seriously arguing that Grok is also biased against Tesla? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5694702&forum_id=2).#48752542) |
|
Date: March 16th, 2025 1:28 PM Author: Cumbutt (gunneratttt) "lol at you admitting that grok wasn't programmed to be biased in favor of tesla"
"wow are you seriously arguing that grok is biased against tesla?"
just fucking christ shitlibs are so fucking stupid and can only engage in black and white binary thinking. |
|
Date: March 16th, 2025 1:29 PM Author: ,.,.,.,.,,.,..,:,,:,,.,:::,.,,.,:.,,.:.,:.,:.::,. wow you seem MAF ITT and unable to respond to anything aside from throwing a tantrum (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5694702&forum_id=2).#48752547) |
|
Date: March 16th, 2025 1:33 PM Author: butt cheeks (✅🍑) isn't throwing a tantrum what you have been doing non-stop 18 hours a day 7 days a week for years now, all over our lovely board? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5694702&forum_id=2).#48752561) |
|
Date: March 16th, 2025 1:37 PM Author: ,.,.,.,.,,.,..,:,,:,,.,:::,.,,.,:.,,.:.,:.,:.::,. I don’t think so. I only post facts, sometimes (often) facts make Trumpmos MAF (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5694702&forum_id=2).#48752583) |
|
Date: March 16th, 2025 1:38 PM Author: butt cheeks (✅🍑) no no, you've been throwing a non-stop tantrum all over our board and spamming it around the clock for years you're a very bad poster, haven't you realized this yet? |
|
Date: March 16th, 2025 1:41 PM Author: ,.,.,.,.,,.,..,:,,:,,.,:::,.,,.,:.,,.:.,:.,:.::,. I disagree. I think you guys just get mad at facts you dislike and attack the messenger, since those facts don’t fit your BS worldview and narrative (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5694702&forum_id=2).#48752595) |
|
Date: March 16th, 2025 1:33 PM Author: Cumbutt (gunneratttt) it's just incredibly how you are so brazenly stupid and cannot engage in objective, unbiased reasoning.
to be clear, i'm stunned that someone could think that asserting "X isn't biased in favor of Y" *must* mean that they are asserting "X is biased against Y". the idea that it could be programmed as neutral and accurate isn't even something that occurred to you. because you start with a conclusion "musk bad so tesla bad" and think everyone thinks the same way. it's just so unnuanced, juvenile, and stupid. |
|
Date: March 16th, 2025 1:39 PM Author: ,.,.,.,.,,.,..,:,,:,,.,:::,.,,.,:.,,.:.,:.,:.::,. No, it’s more like a statement against interest, so you know it’s reliable. Grok IS biased, but not even that bias is enough to make it lie about Tesla’s shit build quality, since it’s programmed to use objective sources (JD Power in this case) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5694702&forum_id=2).#48752588) |
|
Date: March 16th, 2025 1:46 PM Author: Cumbutt (gunneratttt) have you considered the possibility that grok isn't programmed with to be biased in either way and can't make a "statement against interest" because it's not a sentient entity with independent thought but merely gathers information from various sources including x. and because you musk-hating retards continue to patronize musk and spam x with your MDS shit it presents that information even though it could be easily programmed to disregard it?
how about the fact that it literally says that it gathers information from x in the fucking response you quoted but didn't read, retard.
"Assumptions: Tesla’s higher ranking for problems aligns with sentiment on X and Consumer Reports’ critiques, though exact PP100 is inferred. Hyundai and Kia benefit from mass-market reliability trends, while BMW and Porsche leverage premium engineering" |
|
Date: March 16th, 2025 2:12 PM Author: ,.,.,.,.,,.,..,:,,:,,.,:::,.,,.,:.,,.:.,:.,:.::,. So your best argument is that it’s NOT biased but is tracking objective reality, in which case Tesla quality = shit? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5694702&forum_id=2).#48752670) |
|
Date: March 16th, 2025 2:16 PM Author: Cumbutt (gunneratttt) i'm not arguing anything, i'm just pointing out how your reasoning is deeply flawed to the point of stupidity. e.g. "X isn't biased in favor of Y" must equal "X is biased against Y."
even if i agreed with you about musk, tesla, and grok it wouldn't the reasoning you're using any less broken. |
|
Date: March 16th, 2025 2:23 PM Author: ,.,.,.,.,,.,..,:,,:,,.,:::,.,,.,:.,,.:.,:.,:.::,. that’s not my argument though. you’re just saying it is. My argument is four poasts up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5694702&forum_id=2).#48752696) |
|
Date: March 16th, 2025 2:25 PM Author: Cumbutt (gunneratttt) https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5694702&mc=32&forum_id=2#48752542
why did you say this when nothing i've said would lead a rational person to think i'm arguing that? |
|
Date: March 16th, 2025 2:41 PM Author: ,.,.,.,.,,.,..,:,,:,,.,:::,.,,.,:.,,.:.,:.,:.::,. state your marital status before I engage you further (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5694702&forum_id=2).#48752756) |
|
Date: March 16th, 2025 1:16 PM Author: Epistemic Humility Lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5694702&forum_id=2).#48752506) |