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shooters there was no comparison whatsoever. radiant silvergun was a full console gen ahead.

i dont even know what you could hold out as a top side scroller (Tomba or Klonoa?) but i guarantee it would look like a piece of shit next to Astal.

Saturn had the best version of NBA Jam.

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you don't seem familiar with the saturn at all. i don't know what you would hold out as the best ps1 fighter but most of them were choppy as fuck and not playable today, not to mention the worst d-pad of all time for fighting games. virtua fighter 2 was a perfect 60fps and you can still have a good time with it in 2024. And the saturn absolutely mauled the PSX on 2d fighting games like Xmen. The PSX versions had many compromises.

I can't even engage with you on shmups because I have no idea what you are holding out as a good game in this genre. Einhander? Raycrisis? Thunder Force V? All very mid games that aren't in the same class as the saturn heavy hitters.

Let me guess--you didn't own a saturn and further, you didn't own an action replay 4m plus to allow imports + RAM expansion at the same time.

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PS1 quite literally has exponentially more shmups and the jump in graphics/etc isn't really that different between the best Saturn ones and the best PS1 ones. I can easily say, with my current knowledge, that PS1 is the better shmup system, by a mile.

I also think that the PS1 has a ton more fighter games, and absolutely a million more RPGs.

I'm curious as to your assertions and need some examples of how I am wrong. TYIA.

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sega would've made way more money that way and would've been perfectly positioned to sweep in in 96 or 97 and dominate everything. they could've even still supported the 32X in 95 to keep their mindshare as a console maker intact; even that wasn't as bad as saturn was.

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https://racketboy.com/retro/shmups-sega-saturn-vs-sony-playstation

"Overall, as you can see, Saturn has a larger and much more versatile library of shmups"

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I will note that you specifically cited Panzer Dragoon. That is not a shmup, any more than Star Fox is.

For now and until I am able to fully research this, I stand by my assertion that PS1 is by far the superior console for schmups.

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I understand that you mentioned the Saturn’s “Japanese library” and I will admit that of my 285 Saturn games, I am unaware which are Japanese only titles and which are not. With that caveat, I can only compare that 285 game catalog to my 884 PS1 game catalog.

That said, I pulled ALL of the shmups that I could for the Saturn, and I listed all of the schmups that I added to my “favorites” on my PS1 library. Let me repeat – these are ALL of the Saturn schmups vs the PS1 schmups that I favorited (meaning there are more schmups on the PS1 that I did not favorite). Please see as follows my complete lists. I added an asterisk next to what I consider “exceptional” schmup titles.

I count 7 exceptional PS1 schmups, to Saturn’s 3. A few of these are the same title on both platforms. The results speak for themselves IMHO, please let me know how I am wrong. And no the Panzer Dragon series is not a schmup (it’s a rail shooter) and I did not count any third person flight shooters as schmups (but PS1 has a lot more of these as well).

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SATURN

*Thunder Force V

*Radian Silvergun

Strikers 1945

Galactic Attack

*DonPachi

Darius II

Darius Gaiden

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PS1

CT Special Forces Back to Hell

Darius Gaiden

*DoDon Pachi

*Einhander

*G Darius

Gaiseed

Gekioh Shooting King

Gradius Gaiden

In the Hunt

Philosana

*R Type Delta

*Raycrisis Series Termination

*Raystorm

Strikers 1945

Raiden Project

*Thunder Force V

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I tend to think the answer might be vertical shooters.

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Like there are only so many birthdays and Christmas’s. Yes the fighters were good. Nobody in the west plays shoot ‘em up’s. The easiest shoot em up is more frustrating than Margit. There is no chill shoot ‘em up. Contra or Castlevania are chill by comparison.

Like im a High Loser with no job and yes I can speak to the intellectual merits of Thunder Force but I can’t actually play these games, they’re hard af in a deliberately Sisyphean way

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But for the games that are balanced to be beaten (i.e. they have game over screens, like a gradius or an r type), I've beaten pretty much every us release and a lot of jp games too.

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