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Kirkland says it's spending $500 MILLION to build its own in-house AI

How the fuck is there not a thread on this already? http...
Buff Menage
  05/28/26
seems like a good indicator this profession is fucked
stimulating submissive crotch
  05/28/26
Uhh, it shows lawyers are more cash rich than Larry Ellison
Buff Menage
  05/28/26
Kirkland ​said its platform would be designed based on inf...
cheese-eating adventurous puppy
  05/28/26
Divide 500,000,000 by those numbers in your head
Buff Menage
  05/28/26
LMFAO. How does it feel to be one of Kirkland’s like ...
walnut zippy theater stage
  05/29/26
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multi-colored preventive strike
  05/29/26
au contraire. rainmaker share partners dont need their brian...
Flesh swashbuckling property gay wizard
  05/29/26
Pity the derivatives, credit agreement, fund formation water...
walnut zippy theater stage
  05/29/26
#All_Service_Partners: Report to conference room 42A on Mond...
Flesh swashbuckling property gay wizard
  05/29/26
but first they're going to wear google glasses for 6 months ...
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  05/29/26
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Flesh swashbuckling property gay wizard
  05/29/26
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curious aggressive corner
  05/29/26
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Razzle-dazzle fat ankles
  05/29/26
but dbg assured me he would be safe
irradiated telephone
  05/28/26
Does he work there with knowledge that partners were hoardin...
Buff Menage
  05/28/26
this makes no fucking sense at all. whoever makes the best ...
frozen alcoholic fortuitous meteor
  05/28/26
they probably tried claude code and think they can do anythi...
stimulating submissive crotch
  05/28/26
https://x.com/i/status/2060128889377304715
Buff Menage
  05/28/26
Fucking 180 Claude, run a 50 State search for "summa...
transparent marketing idea
  05/29/26
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frozen alcoholic fortuitous meteor
  05/29/26
It'll be some bullshit wrapper on something else. They'll ma...
glassy territorial pit
  05/29/26
Absolutely this, people are delusional to think you are reac...
Bill Paxton and Paul Reiser in ALIENS
  09/01/26
...
harnessman
  09/01/26
just a chill 7 dollars per 1 dollar food court hot dog
wonderful temple
  05/28/26
Lmao $500 million isn’t gonna do shit. Westlaw tried s...
Underhanded heady orchestra pit chad
  05/29/26
probably worth them reaching out to a frontier lab and stipu...
Ultramarine point
  05/29/26
They could buy 5% of Anthropic right now with the same cash ...
trip market double fault
  05/29/26
which would not quite solve their problem, but does indicate...
Ultramarine point
  05/29/26
It would if their problem is making more $
trip market double fault
  05/29/26
Lawfirms don't have the money for that lol
Electric gunner dysfunction
  05/29/26
That's like 4x Harvey's valuation which is already more over...
trip market double fault
  05/29/26
Fucking savages on XO. They're just going to create a Kirkla...
Carnelian Weed Whacker National
  05/29/26
an AI that is, on balance, in balance
Flesh swashbuckling property gay wizard
  05/29/26
...
Ultramarine point
  05/29/26
100%
Magical Public Bath Hissy Fit
  05/29/26
This doesn't cost $500 million. By the way, they could do a...
Insecure school mexican
  05/30/26
For them to self-host their the LLM server for 800 users usi...
Buff Menage
  05/30/26
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harnessman
  09/01/26
I thought this meant COSTCO Kirkland-brand AI
sapphire ape mad cow disease
  05/29/26
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Ass Problems
  09/01/26
so ~570 equity partners voted to forego ~$900k each to inves...
violent deer antler
  05/29/26
even scarier stuff for service partners rofl
Flesh swashbuckling property gay wizard
  05/29/26
yeah i imagine the associates will all get cut and the servi...
violent deer antler
  05/29/26
I think you mean the 1/3rd of the equity partners who surviv...
Galvanic nudist theater
  05/29/26
This is Huge.
twisted rusted library
  05/29/26
*creates dynamic pricing model to change the cost of Kirklan...
Marvelous Fantasy-prone Famous Landscape Painting
  05/29/26
JFC they’re not *actually doing this, it’s just ...
Well-lubricated Dopamine Hall
  05/29/26
that's all these announcements ever are and people keep fall...
sepia karate crackhouse
  05/29/26
Aren't you an Engineer? Can't you use it to Engineer shit be...
twisted rusted library
  05/29/26
https://x.com/i/status/2060128889377304715
Buff Menage
  05/29/26
nutella vindicated again. got her cute shoes and jumped ship
salmon very tactful den
  05/29/26
Soft-serve cones of scholarship getting extruded from Kirkla...
Nofapping cuck
  05/29/26
Lmao funny we’re all lawyers and the first thing we th...
Underhanded heady orchestra pit chad
  05/30/26
This is over the next 3-4 years. They would have spent more ...
hairraiser lodge really tough guy
  05/29/26
They absolutely would not spend $125-$200 million/year on th...
Insecure school mexican
  05/30/26
I guess I can finally reveal to everyone that I work in bigl...
Magical Public Bath Hissy Fit
  05/29/26
No litigator AIs, please
snowy motley water buffalo
  05/29/26
why not spend $5 million on one? Or $50 million? Are you tel...
Burgundy black woman
  05/29/26
Or just pay for some premium ChatGPT up to date package for ...
Underhanded heady orchestra pit chad
  05/30/26
ChatGPT is shit, but Claude/Harvey (which is an overlay on C...
Insecure school mexican
  05/30/26
Whatever they are trying to do, the software is still in its...
Buff Menage
  05/30/26
Claude is literally perfect. Investing even one cent in some...
.- .-. . .-. . .--. - .. .-.. .
  09/01/26
my former firm, bottom-of-the-barrel "biglaw" firm...
the national labor relations act
  09/01/26
Don't care as long as their toilet paper stays cheap.
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  09/01/26


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Date: May 28th, 2026 10:22 PM
Author: Buff Menage

How the fuck is there not a thread on this already?

https://www.reuters.com/legal/legalindustry/law-firm-kirkland-spend-500-million-developing-its-own-ai-platform-2026-05-28/

Just a chill $625k per lawyer going to Jensen Huang

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49905873)



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Date: May 28th, 2026 10:33 PM
Author: stimulating submissive crotch

seems like a good indicator this profession is fucked

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49905901)



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Date: May 28th, 2026 10:35 PM
Author: Buff Menage

Uhh, it shows lawyers are more cash rich than Larry Ellison

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49905907)



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Date: May 28th, 2026 10:35 PM
Author: cheese-eating adventurous puppy

Kirkland ​said its platform would be designed based on information from 250 Kirkland lawyers ​and would involve more than 180 technology professionals inside and outside the firm.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49905906)



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Date: May 28th, 2026 10:36 PM
Author: Buff Menage

Divide 500,000,000 by those numbers in your head

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49905910)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 11:27 AM
Author: walnut zippy theater stage

LMFAO. How does it feel to be one of Kirkland’s like 4,000 other attorneys whose brains aren’t worthy of being digitized. What a fucking indictment, holy shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49906516)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 11:29 AM
Author: multi-colored preventive strike



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Date: May 29th, 2026 11:48 AM
Author: Flesh swashbuckling property gay wizard

au contraire. rainmaker share partners dont need their brians digitized. the service partners whose brains have now been digitized are now on the chopping block.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49906546)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 12:47 PM
Author: walnut zippy theater stage

Pity the derivatives, credit agreement, fund formation waterfall, and tax McKirkland “partners” who have each spent a 60K hours over the last 20 years grinding out the same repetitive 5.7/9.8 drafting and negotiation tasks who are getting digitized. And they’re terminally non-equity, so they’re not sharing in any of the upside of this shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49906623)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 12:53 PM
Author: Flesh swashbuckling property gay wizard

#All_Service_Partners: Report to conference room 42A on Monday at 9am so we can digitize your brain and fire you. Thank.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49906635)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 1:03 PM
Author: violent deer antler

but first they're going to wear google glasses for 6 months to record everything they do.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49906658)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 1:05 PM
Author: Flesh swashbuckling property gay wizard



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Date: May 29th, 2026 1:02 PM
Author: curious aggressive corner



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Date: May 29th, 2026 3:49 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle fat ankles



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49906829)



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Date: May 28th, 2026 11:26 PM
Author: irradiated telephone

but dbg assured me he would be safe

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49906019)



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Date: May 28th, 2026 11:27 PM
Author: Buff Menage

Does he work there with knowledge that partners were hoarding $500 million all this time?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49906021)



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Date: May 28th, 2026 11:47 PM
Author: frozen alcoholic fortuitous meteor

this makes no fucking sense at all. whoever makes the best general purpose AI model, will also make the best AI model for the law. it's not like kirkland will manage to make anything better

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49906055)



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Date: May 28th, 2026 11:51 PM
Author: stimulating submissive crotch

they probably tried claude code and think they can do anything now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49906060)



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Date: May 28th, 2026 11:52 PM
Author: Buff Menage

https://x.com/i/status/2060128889377304715

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49906064)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 12:03 PM
Author: transparent marketing idea

Fucking 180

Claude, run a 50 State search for "summary judgment standard" thank

Now do the same task 800 times per week thank

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49906570)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 1:09 PM
Author: frozen alcoholic fortuitous meteor



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Date: May 29th, 2026 12:35 PM
Author: glassy territorial pit

It'll be some bullshit wrapper on something else. They'll market it as "The Kirkland Difference"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49906605)



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Date: September 1st, 2026 12:23 PM
Author: Bill Paxton and Paul Reiser in ALIENS

Absolutely this, people are delusional to think you are reaching the frontier for $500m.

It will be a wrapper or something like post-training an open model

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#50108758)



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Date: September 1st, 2026 12:24 PM
Author: harnessman



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#50108762)



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Date: May 28th, 2026 11:59 PM
Author: wonderful temple

just a chill 7 dollars per 1 dollar food court hot dog

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49906074)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 11:31 AM
Author: Underhanded heady orchestra pit chad

Lmao $500 million isn’t gonna do shit. Westlaw tried some ai bullshit and it’s not as good as chat cpt

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49906529)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 11:44 AM
Author: Ultramarine point

probably worth them reaching out to a frontier lab and stipulating:

-- "we want our own airgapped model specifically tuned and trained in the following ways"

-- "you won't have any ongoing compute cost for this because it'll be on our own hardware -- fire and forget revenue infusion for you"

-- "this isn't creating opportunity cost for you because we can't use your API model anyway due to client restrictions (e.g. IP litigation tech clients won't let any material be run through frontier LLMs)"

probably worth a pitch because AI niggers need MONEY

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49906543)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 12:22 PM
Author: trip market double fault

They could buy 5% of Anthropic right now with the same cash based on its current market cap

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49906593)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 12:45 PM
Author: Ultramarine point

which would not quite solve their problem, but does indicate that they could at least get a meeting

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49906619)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 9:51 PM
Author: trip market double fault

It would if their problem is making more $

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49907213)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 11:55 AM
Author: Electric gunner dysfunction

Lawfirms don't have the money for that lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49906555)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 12:16 PM
Author: trip market double fault

That's like 4x Harvey's valuation which is already more overcooked than any SAAS provider in any industry

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49906583)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 12:34 PM
Author: Carnelian Weed Whacker National

Fucking savages on XO. They're just going to create a Kirkland-specific wrapper on a third-party platform. They want to have more customization and in-house control over shit. They'll have it trained on more in-house work product. They'll be able to integrate with ediscovery vendors and the like. They'll solve some of the confidentiality concerns. It's not "inventing AI" or some dumb shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49906601)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 12:45 PM
Author: Flesh swashbuckling property gay wizard

an AI that is, on balance, in balance

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49906618)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 12:46 PM
Author: Ultramarine point



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Date: May 29th, 2026 6:51 PM
Author: Magical Public Bath Hissy Fit

100%

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49907043)



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Date: May 30th, 2026 3:51 PM
Author: Insecure school mexican

This doesn't cost $500 million. By the way, they could do all of this with a Harvey AI sub at a small fraction of the price. They could also create some customization for Claude and spend even less. The only way to spend $500 million on this is pure incompetence or theft.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49907810)



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Date: May 30th, 2026 4:44 PM
Author: Buff Menage

For them to self-host their the LLM server for 800 users using open weight models, with full time support staff, would be maybe $10mm yr tops. They could do it for $5 million/yr I bet

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49907840)



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Date: September 1st, 2026 12:09 PM
Author: harnessman



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Date: May 29th, 2026 12:36 PM
Author: sapphire ape mad cow disease

I thought this meant COSTCO Kirkland-brand AI

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49906607)



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Date: September 1st, 2026 12:11 PM
Author: Ass Problems



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Date: May 29th, 2026 12:49 PM
Author: violent deer antler

so ~570 equity partners voted to forego ~$900k each to invest in this. they must have ran the numbers and decided the potential associate savings were worth it. pretty scary stuff for young lawyers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49906627)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 12:55 PM
Author: Flesh swashbuckling property gay wizard

even scarier stuff for service partners rofl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49906641)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 12:56 PM
Author: violent deer antler

yeah i imagine the associates will all get cut and the service partners will be docked down to associate pay levels and the equity partners will fucking ball out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49906643)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 2:59 PM
Author: Galvanic nudist theater

I think you mean the 1/3rd of the equity partners who survive this will ball out even more than they already are balling out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49906805)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 1:01 PM
Author: twisted rusted library

This is Huge.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49906653)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 1:05 PM
Author: Marvelous Fantasy-prone Famous Landscape Painting

*creates dynamic pricing model to change the cost of Kirkland brand Extra Virgin Olive Oil depending upon predicted customer behaviors*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49906662)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 3:19 PM
Author: Well-lubricated Dopamine Hall

JFC they’re not *actually doing this, it’s just advertising to dumbfuck GCs. They might as well have said $1 BILLION to be doubly impressive.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49906819)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 3:50 PM
Author: sepia karate crackhouse

that's all these announcements ever are and people keep falling for it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49906832)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 6:47 PM
Author: twisted rusted library

Aren't you an Engineer? Can't you use it to Engineer shit better.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49907032)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 6:34 PM
Author: Buff Menage

https://x.com/i/status/2060128889377304715

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49907018)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 3:29 PM
Author: salmon very tactful den

nutella vindicated again. got her cute shoes and jumped ship

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49906822)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 3:53 PM
Author: Nofapping cuck

Soft-serve cones of scholarship getting extruded from Kirkland's AI law slop dispenser

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49906841)



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Date: May 30th, 2026 1:56 PM
Author: Underhanded heady orchestra pit chad

Lmao funny we’re all lawyers and the first thing we thought of was Costco.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49907711)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 4:00 PM
Author: hairraiser lodge really tough guy

This is over the next 3-4 years. They would have spent more than that on tokens and AI licenses anyway given the nature of their business. Not really news IMO.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49906858)



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Date: May 30th, 2026 3:54 PM
Author: Insecure school mexican

They absolutely would not spend $125-$200 million/year on this if they just went with an existing solution.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49907815)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 6:49 PM
Author: Magical Public Bath Hissy Fit

I guess I can finally reveal to everyone that I work in biglaw.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49907039)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 9:49 PM
Author: snowy motley water buffalo

No litigator AIs, please

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49907209)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 10:01 PM
Author: Burgundy black woman

why not spend $5 million on one? Or $50 million? Are you telling me a team of 10 or so capable software engineers couldn’t build whatever Kirkland wants it to do for that much?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49907238)



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Date: May 30th, 2026 1:57 PM
Author: Underhanded heady orchestra pit chad

Or just pay for some premium ChatGPT up to date package for everyone and tell them to use chat GPT.

Also I’m guessing we’re gonna start having shit like Kirkland Costco (powered by ChatGPT) very soon.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49907714)



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Date: May 30th, 2026 3:52 PM
Author: Insecure school mexican

ChatGPT is shit, but Claude/Harvey (which is an overlay on Claude) or Gemini are all fine. You can get enterprise subs with terms that will care for confidentiality concerns.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49907812)



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Date: May 30th, 2026 4:52 PM
Author: Buff Menage

Whatever they are trying to do, the software is still in its infancy and no one has actually cured the hallucination problem, or the randomly-speaking-chinese problem, or the "it doesn't understand human psychology" problem. All of these platforms are still dogshit right now. They can't even OCR well. There are SAAS companies advertising cloud OCR platforms to law firms, and they brag that they do NOT use AI.

There's also no benefit to training an AI on client data vs transforming client data into vector databases. In fact it it's worse, because every time there's a new development you have to retrain the model, rather than just updating some vector database of client files. And vector databases cost nothing to deploy and maintain. This really looks like fake news to me and I don't understand why Kirkland announced this to Thomson Reuters

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#49907842)



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Date: September 1st, 2026 12:12 PM
Author: .- .-. . .-. . .--. - .. .-.. .

Claude is literally perfect. Investing even one cent in something proprietary when Claude is already this good is just lighting money on fire.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#50108707)



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Date: September 1st, 2026 12:21 PM
Author: the national labor relations act ((zurich is stained))

my former firm, bottom-of-the-barrel "biglaw" firm baker hostetler, had some kind of automated "associate" several years ago, named "eric" or "bob" or something. no idea what it did, but given where the technology was back then it was probably laughably bad.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#50108747)



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Date: September 1st, 2026 12:23 PM
Author: "'"''""""'

Don't care as long as their toilet paper stays cheap.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2).#50108760)