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Spent 100's of hours studying the 1996 Everest disaster. Taking q's
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Date: April 19th, 2026 9:17 PM Author: Metaphysics is Gay (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5858541&forum_id=2).#49828160) |
Date: April 19th, 2026 9:29 PM Author: is gay (retired) should I go to Appalachian Climbing School (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5858541&forum_id=2).#49828202) |
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Date: April 19th, 2026 9:30 PM Author: Metaphysics is Gay search ur heart (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5858541&forum_id=2).#49828205) |
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Date: April 19th, 2026 9:32 PM Author: POPE LEO IS WEAK ON CRIME How did you get to 100s? I watched the movie, a doc and read Into Thin Air in a week. What else did you learn in the extra 90+ hours?
My main take away was there’s no fucking way I’m climbing Everest. It’s just pure misery and you’re so fucked when you get to the top you can’t wait to go back down. |
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Date: April 19th, 2026 9:38 PM Author: Metaphysics is Gay if you're looking for additional materials you can study the books written by other climbers, several docs besides the PBS one, listen to interviews and podcasts, the argument between krakauer and tracy on youtube, etc. You can also study the history of the mountain, read into messner etc, and you've got to read and reread/rewatch everything multiple times. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5858541&forum_id=2).#49828239) |
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Date: April 19th, 2026 9:39 PM Author: rape academy first year student lmao didnt even know krakauer is jewish
every single time |
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Date: April 19th, 2026 9:44 PM Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;.., wtf holy shit. he's half! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5858541&forum_id=2).#49828258) |
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Date: April 19th, 2026 9:50 PM Author: Metaphysics is Gay Fun fact. "Mount Everest" is named after a man named whose name is pronounced "Eve-er-est." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5858541&forum_id=2).#49828288) |
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Date: April 19th, 2026 9:39 PM Author: the walter white of this generation (walt jr.) I read both krakauer's book and the MAF rebuttal book by boukreev. But it's been like 25 years.
Who are the heroes, villains? What moral lessons do you draw from it? What unique insights do you have? |
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Date: April 19th, 2026 9:47 PM Author: Metaphysics is Gay Lopsang is the villain, but he was likely paid by Pittman. The moral lesson is don't be a softie like Rob. I don't have anything unique to say really (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5858541&forum_id=2).#49828275) |
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Date: April 19th, 2026 10:12 PM Author: the walter white of this generation (walt jr.) It really is crazy just how fucking dangerous high-altitude mountaineering is. The story for like everyone who's a professional climber (sherpa or honkey) who survived everest 1996 is "later died on [other mountain]." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5858541&forum_id=2).#49828347) |
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Date: April 19th, 2026 10:15 PM Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;.., cr
yet 1/2 of xo tough guys who played some college ball seem to genuinely think that they could easily summit everest; 1/2 of it is schtick, but 1/2 of it is genuinely retarded xo tough guys |
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Date: April 19th, 2026 10:19 PM Author: the walter white of this generation (walt jr.) Tbf, a good portion of the danger is clearly not avertable through enhanced skills or natural talent (and I'm including physiological tolerance for high-altitude exertion as "natural talent," even though HAPE is incredibly random and strikes super-experienced climbers). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5858541&forum_id=2).#49828360) |
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Date: April 19th, 2026 10:16 PM Author: Metaphysics is Gay yeah it's fucking nuts and another crazy part is the other major peaks like K2 and Annapurna, while essentially as tall, are significantly worse odds in terms of getting hit with an avalanche or falling the fuck off. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5858541&forum_id=2).#49828355) |
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Date: April 19th, 2026 10:21 PM Author: the walter white of this generation (walt jr.) Yeah. As a kid I did NOLS and AAI and wanted to be a bigtime climber, but looking back now...
maybe Black people are right on this one. |
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Date: April 19th, 2026 10:25 PM Author: Metaphysics is Gay pretty baller man i'm just a dweeb (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5858541&forum_id=2).#49828376) |
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Date: April 19th, 2026 10:25 PM Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;.., this is evan39-esque:
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2022/05/21/1100363030/meet-the-cool-62-year-old-kenyan-on-first-all-black-team-to-summit-everest |
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Date: April 19th, 2026 9:41 PM Author: ,.,,,. I read into the climb many years. Realized at that point that Americans like Krakauer are scum. They always hang out at the periphery of misery and looking to benefit. He actually made millions from his own book where he basically described that he's a faggot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5858541&forum_id=2).#49828248) |
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Date: April 19th, 2026 9:42 PM Author: the walter white of this generation (walt jr.) We can say [CONTENT AUTO REDACTED] here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5858541&forum_id=2).#49828251) |
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Date: April 19th, 2026 9:52 PM Author: Metaphysics is Gay he's a failed outdoorsmin who became a writer, what's there to be mad about (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5858541&forum_id=2).#49828295) |
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Date: April 19th, 2026 9:42 PM Author: Nippon Professional Baseball Should I watch Dallas Buyers Club? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5858541&forum_id=2).#49828253) |
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Date: April 19th, 2026 9:50 PM Author: Metaphysics is Gay search ur big gay heart (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5858541&forum_id=2).#49828289) |
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Date: April 19th, 2026 9:45 PM Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;.., it's amazing that krakauer happened to be there for this -- and live to tell the tale. talk about god running the world. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5858541&forum_id=2).#49828265) |
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Date: April 19th, 2026 9:48 PM Author: Metaphysics is Gay some theories say that his presence, and the presence of Pittman which was a reaction the Krakauer's last minute team change, was the cause of the event. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5858541&forum_id=2).#49828281) |
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Date: April 19th, 2026 9:54 PM Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;.., explain pls (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5858541&forum_id=2).#49828297) |
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Date: April 19th, 2026 10:05 PM Author: Metaphysics is Gay The theory is the presence of the journalist from Outside magazine (Krakauer) caused more than the usual competition between Adventure Consultants (Rob's team) and Mountain Madness (Scott's team). Krakuer's magazine was paying Rob with ad space ($55k worth; they only paid $10k in cash), and those ads would include things like the % of clients that summitted. Krakuer was also writing about the commercialization of Everest in general, so there was motivation to get as many climbers to the top as possible. But whether that influenced the late summit push (after the fixed rope delay of 2+ hours), the decision to ignore the pre-arranged turn-around time, and Rob's decision to escort Doug, isn't certain.
Maybe more directly, Pittman -- the weakest climber who the lead sherpa had to essentially drag to the top with a rope, causing him not to place the aforementioned fixed ropes and delaying both teams -- was added to Mountain Madness's team at the last minute as their journalist after Krakauer and Outside left the MM team for the AC team.
So taken together the presence of journalists, especially JK, can reasonably be seen to have changed the motivations and dynamics of the teams, and may have been a contributing cause to the tragedy, rather than a coincidence. |
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Date: April 19th, 2026 10:15 PM Author: the walter white of this generation (walt jr.) IIRC, almost every third-party account (not krakauer or boukreev, although you could include boukreev in this) says that krakauer was bizarrely hard on sandy pittman, who no one else seems to think played any kind of noteworthily deleterious role. She was short-roped for an hour tops, and she was a paying client; she's probably a stronger climber than krakauer, but krakauer benefitted from summitting way before her. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5858541&forum_id=2).#49828352) |
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Date: April 19th, 2026 10:20 PM Author: Metaphysics is Gay then you have to explain why Lopsang didn't set the fixed ropes above the south summit... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5858541&forum_id=2).#49828364) |
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Date: April 19th, 2026 9:45 PM Author: rape academy first year student "Rowell criticized Krakauer's account, citing numerous inconsistencies in his narrative, and observed that Krakauer had been asleep in his tent while Boukreev was rescuing other climbers. Rowell argued that not only were Boukreev's actions heroic but his judgment was also prescient: “[Boukreev] foresaw problems with clients nearing camp, noted five other guides on the peak [Everest], and positioned himself to be rested and hydrated enough to respond to an emergency. His heroism was not a fluke."[5]"
lmfao at this literal kike sleeping in his tent while the heroic chad is out there saving lives, and then publishing a book where he jewishly sneers at and nitpicks the heroic dude
fucking amazing |
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Date: April 19th, 2026 9:49 PM Author: Metaphysics is Gay Boukreev could and did literally climb mount everest without oxygen and it was his professional responsibility to guide and save people. Some people say his selfishness in not using oxygen caused more harm than he later salvaged. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5858541&forum_id=2).#49828285) |
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Date: April 19th, 2026 10:00 PM Author: rape academy first year student wtf does him not using oxygen have to do with other people dying (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5858541&forum_id=2).#49828312) |
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Date: April 19th, 2026 10:10 PM Author: the walter white of this generation (walt jr.) Even if capable of operating without bottled oxygen, you can operate better with it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5858541&forum_id=2).#49828345) |
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Date: April 19th, 2026 10:10 PM Author: Metaphysics is Gay Some people say that without supplemental O's, Boukreev had to descend in front of the clients at more rapid pace, rather than assist them in the descent. Had he been in the mix with the clients, he may have saved more lives. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5858541&forum_id=2).#49828346) |
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Date: April 19th, 2026 10:15 PM Author: rape academy first year student but it says he deliberately went down ahead of the clients, by himself, so he could get help
sounds like the "supplemental oxygen" complaint is just literal jews trying to unjustly pin blame on the only chad who was actually saving lives instead of jewishly sitting around "taking notes" so he could jewishly publish a book criticizing everyone else |
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Date: April 19th, 2026 10:21 PM Author: Metaphysics is Gay yeah and the corroborating witness is dead. im not saying he didn't save people, but the idea that a guide is better off at camp than guiding clients is a bit retarded (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5858541&forum_id=2).#49828367) |
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Date: April 19th, 2026 10:24 PM Author: rape academy first year student maybe if the clients didn't want to die they shouldn't have gone up to the top of mount everest
did anyone ever think of that? |
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Date: April 19th, 2026 10:32 PM Author: Metaphysics is Gay not that exactly no (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5858541&forum_id=2).#49828387) |
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Date: April 19th, 2026 10:26 PM Author: the walter white of this generation (walt jr.) My (very rusty) recollection after reading both books is that krakauer is indeed a disingenuous little piece of shit, but his criticisms of boukreev are probably correct. Literally not a single person, dead or alive, doubted that he was the strongest climber on the mountain, but his abilities as a guide specifically were questionable. Boukreev says that Fischer's displeasure with his performance was customer-service/BizDev-based, but he's fucking dead so who's to know. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5858541&forum_id=2).#49828378) |
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Date: April 19th, 2026 10:33 PM Author: Metaphysics is Gay yeah i think he was probably selfish and scott had to work around that fact so they came up with compromises that didn't really make sense for a guide but he wanted him up there (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5858541&forum_id=2).#49828389) |
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Date: April 19th, 2026 10:22 PM Author: .,.,.:,,.,:.,:,,:,.::,:.:.,.,:.,:,,.:.,.,:.::, Nah he didn't go down for help, he went down before any of the issues began. He went back out to help later after hearing people were in trouble.
I don't think Bookreev did anything particularly wrong though. He was against using oxygen because he thought it was dangerous to rely on it. You're extra fucked if you run out of it etc |
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Date: April 19th, 2026 10:35 PM Author: Metaphysics is Gay yeah and i mean that kinda makes sense, but also not really. if you have oxygen you are better off than without. you might run out of oxygen and you're fucked immediately, which is not the case without it, but you can definitely stay up longer with it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5858541&forum_id=2).#49828393) |
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Date: April 19th, 2026 10:35 PM Author: Pope Leo XXX How hard is climbing Everest really? Wasn’t one of the people on the expedition a mousy small Japanese lady?
Can you just shell out a bunch of money and be spoon fed the climb. Can the typical American male train for a couple months then be good to go |
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Date: April 19th, 2026 10:36 PM Author: Metaphysics is Gay the mousy japanese lady had summited the tallest mountains on the 6 other continents before the everest expedition in 1996. in general yes you are mostly spoon fed with fixed ropes, ladders, etc, but its still difficult and you have to be in pretty good shape, and you also generally have to test your body in high altitude on other mountains first. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5858541&forum_id=2).#49828395) |
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Date: April 19th, 2026 10:51 PM Author: Kenneth Play (emotional girth) After watching that stuff does it make you want to climb anything or no never?
I thought this TV documentary on Reinhold Messner was one of the 180 things Werner Herzog directed. Lots of great footage. Also to the point above - all the sherpas and mountaineers died - one of the big moments is when Reinhold talks about his brother dying
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dark_Glow_of_the_Mountains (German: Gasherbrum – Der leuchtende Berg) |
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Date: April 19th, 2026 10:55 PM Author: Metaphysics is Gay Messner makes me want to climb something more than the everest stuff or honnold or anyone else. His whole point is he wanted to discover himself and it just so happens everest helped him do that. I dont have any desire to climb for the accomplishment, not that I could either way (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5858541&forum_id=2).#49828440) |
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Date: April 19th, 2026 10:59 PM Author: butt cheeks Casting (✅🍑) imagine being near the top of Everest and suddenly an earthquake hits you and then the avalanches come https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Mount_Everest_avalanches |
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Date: April 19th, 2026 11:00 PM Author: Metaphysics is Gay Dying at base camp would suck (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5858541&forum_id=2).#49828454) |
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Date: April 19th, 2026 11:01 PM Author: butt cheeks Casting (✅🍑) Yes I just can't imagine the fear you would experience |
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Date: April 19th, 2026 11:03 PM Author: Metaphysics is Gay I've looked into dying in an avalanche and it definitely sucks but goes fast at the end (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5858541&forum_id=2).#49828466) |
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Date: April 19th, 2026 11:13 PM Author: Nazca Redlines Is it safer today? It's it (the safety, the experience) even worse than 30 years ago given the huge crowds waiting in line to summit? That aspect of it looks miserable.
I've thought about going for one of the relatively easier very high altitude climbs line Cho Oyu. |