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Why is Latin America so damn violent?
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Date: April 12th, 2026 6:26 AM Author: crystalline heaven kitty Is it because the Portugese and Spanish just came there to steal as much ish as possible and had no intention of building a civilisation like the English did in the US? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49811911) |
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Date: April 12th, 2026 10:19 AM Author: Sepia Low-t Market What's weird is all of the few US cities that have zero homicides are largely beaner.
Orange and Torrance CA and Joliet IL. |
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Date: April 13th, 2026 12:23 AM Author: Light charismatic stage ladyboy Some LatAm places are actually very low crime. Merida, Mexico is one of the safest cities in all of the Americas, for example. They have this new Central Park that is open 24/7 that is completely safe even if you go there at 3am. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49813541) |
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Date: June 28th, 2026 9:48 PM Author: nyuug cant believe how many threads nyuug makes about violent spics, guy clearly has some kind of mental illness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49968175) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 12:43 AM Author: nyuug nyuug so REPETITIVE DURR DURR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49968497) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 12:55 AM Author: nyuug (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49968511) |
Date: April 12th, 2026 6:30 AM Author: Tripping Abusive Step-uncle's House aztecs etc were always violent sadistic freaks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49811912) |
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Date: April 12th, 2026 6:34 AM Author: crystalline heaven kitty So the Portugese and Spaniards just doubled down on the shiz? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49811914) |
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Date: April 12th, 2026 8:13 AM Author: lavender motley chad The Spanish and Portuguese failed to undo ten thousand years of human evolution. Natives are a divergent species brought back into contact with civilization, their wild nature can't be tamed without intensive and selective outbreeding programs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49811977) |
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Date: April 12th, 2026 8:18 AM Author: crystalline heaven kitty Aren't most of those fuckers mestizos now. And most of the violent fuckers were pure European blooded. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49811984) |
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Date: April 13th, 2026 12:32 AM Author: curious effete black woman lettuce no. there is a far higher percent of native blood in mexico than in North America even among the "mestizos". And Mexico has a different policy than the US about what gets called "indigenous" or not. Anyone who lives in a modern city, speaks spanish, wears "modern" style clothes gets considered "mestizo" regardless of percent indigenous blood, but in mexico the mestizos can have high as like 80% indigenous (I think the avg is like 55% but it often goes up to 70-80% which is insane because even "native" classified peoples in the US are much lower). There are millions of mexicans that are as high as 100%, these are the ones that live in villages and speak indigenous languages and wear traditional clothing. They are the only ones who are actually classified by Mexico as indigenous. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49813551) |
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Date: April 13th, 2026 4:41 AM Author: crystalline heaven kitty How do people like prestigefaggot end up never furking mestizos and pygmies?
You think there are millions of Mexicans who are ethnic Mayan/Aztec and shit? |
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Date: April 13th, 2026 6:45 AM Author: lavender motley chad Tens of millions. I was literally there this past week, there are entire towns where nobody speaks Spanish unless its with an outsider.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/zkUmvJURigUijMBj9 |
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Date: April 14th, 2026 4:33 AM Author: crystalline heaven kitty Holy furking shit. How did you find those people? This is like going back in time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49816203) |
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Date: April 14th, 2026 3:45 PM Author: lavender motley chad https://maps.app.goo.gl/Mn6kZRnMv8rJtTqt8 This video captures the vibe even better (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49817236) |
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Date: April 13th, 2026 6:58 AM Author: curious effete black woman lettuce Yes for sure unequivocally. The Tlaxcalans who helped Cortes dismantle Tenochtitlan were not a genetically alien group it was the same genetic lineage, the Nahua speaking groups. Aztec was actually a more recent cultural/ethnic crystallization but same people, and they just get called mestizo or indigenous "mexicans" now instead of Aztec. Mayan populations in the Yucatan, Guatemala etc. have much stronger cultural/genetic continuity because the Spanish consolidation there was slower and patchier and met with more resistance. There are something like 8 million Maya speakers still around with significant genetic, cultural, linguistic continuity to the pre-columbian Mayan civs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49813713) |
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Date: April 14th, 2026 4:34 AM Author: crystalline heaven kitty This is furking 180. Do they still worship at the pyramids and shit? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49816204) |
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Date: April 12th, 2026 6:46 AM Author: internet-worthy maize place of business What prompted this thread, any recent headline? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49811920) |
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Date: April 12th, 2026 6:52 AM Author: crystalline heaven kitty Reading everything in the Bolano library and it blows my mind how furking violent these people are--wtf is wrong with them.
I think it stems from the foundation.
US was founded by Christians seeking freedom. Latin America was founded on looting environmental reserves with no regard for creation of any society. |
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Date: April 12th, 2026 7:31 AM Author: internet-worthy maize place of business Do you know about the death flights that took place in the 70's?
https://www.voanews.com/a/mexico-reveals-evidence-of-death-flights-during-1965-90-dirty-war-/7745998.html |
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Date: April 12th, 2026 7:36 AM Author: crystalline heaven kitty Gawd damn. Did they do this in Argentina as well? I am assuming this was all sympathisers of the secular/communist sects? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49811943) |
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Date: April 12th, 2026 7:45 AM Author: internet-worthy maize place of business Yeah, it's happened across tons of countries in Latam, Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, Mexico, Brazil, Colombia. France is a honorable mention outside of Latam. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49811950) |
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Date: April 12th, 2026 7:45 AM Author: crystalline heaven kitty I think Uruguay was supposed to be the only safe and democratic country there. Which one is your favourite to visit? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49811953) |
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Date: April 12th, 2026 8:11 AM Author: internet-worthy maize place of business Pattaya (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49811974) |
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Date: April 12th, 2026 8:23 AM Author: crystalline heaven kitty ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49811998) |
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Date: April 12th, 2026 2:21 PM Author: Silver aromatic tattoo good ass pic in that article (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49812551) |
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Date: April 12th, 2026 8:16 AM Author: lavender motley chad You're conveniently ignoring the pre-columbian history of the local population who flayed children alive then wore their skins like a mask in order to make sure the rain came. The rain came directly in proportion to the amount of the child's tears so they didn't make it quick either. Also the whole making huge racks of human skulls and eating still beating hearts of either POW or their own volunteers depending on the culture. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49811980) |
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Date: April 12th, 2026 8:17 AM Author: crystalline heaven kitty Whys there never been any form of democracy in any of those countries though? It's always been some form of autocracy for like 300 years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49811982) |
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Date: April 12th, 2026 8:19 AM Author: lavender motley chad JFC it's like talking to a brick wall with you. What will it take to get you to realize these are not ensouled humans we're talking about here. You're basically asking why dolphins or chimpanzees haven't harnessed electricity or forged steel yet. It's simply not in the nature of their species to be able to do these things. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49811988) |
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Date: April 12th, 2026 8:23 AM Author: crystalline heaven kitty 1800000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000. But the violence seems to be of a totally different nature than the rudimentary brutality of the pygmies. How did it escalate to juntas and shooting squads and shit? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49811997) |
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Date: April 12th, 2026 8:31 AM Author: lavender motley chad https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTZjMDliOTUyamY1aGFrazF5bjRvN2J1a3liYW5pMGRjcXFtazY4ejN0dXk5d2xrZSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/l0ExbaFJARrzvf8eA/giphy.gif
Europeans simply gave them the tools. |
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Date: April 12th, 2026 8:32 AM Author: crystalline heaven kitty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49812013) |
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Date: April 12th, 2026 8:18 AM Author: Mustard filthpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49811983) |
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Date: April 12th, 2026 8:19 AM Author: crystalline heaven kitty Hippos and shit... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49811985) |
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Date: April 12th, 2026 8:23 AM Author: provocative cobalt gaping you say that as if the Indians who today live in the English parts of North America aren't still violent and dysfunctional
that is who these people are
South America just has a lot more of them and they have direct political control of their countries
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Date: April 12th, 2026 8:25 AM Author: crystalline heaven kitty I thought all of the political leaders were pure European blood? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49812003) |
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Date: April 12th, 2026 8:28 AM Author: provocative cobalt gaping https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Ch%C3%A1vez#/media/File:Hugo_Ch%C3%A1vez_official_portrait_(cropped).jpg
not all of them. and they people that elect them aren't. and the people stabbing you in the street for your wallet definitely aren't.
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Date: April 12th, 2026 8:32 AM Author: crystalline heaven kitty Definitely mestizo. I cannot think of a single leader that was full blooded indigneous. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49812011) |
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Date: April 12th, 2026 8:49 AM Author: embarrassed to the bone location personal credit line genetics are part of it, but not the whole story, since pure natives like the mayans are among the most peaceable populations in modern mexico, as opposed to the absolutely buckwild mestizo cartel guys.
you also have different genetic expressions in different regions; brazilian violence has a very pronounced and explicit sub-saharan element (kind of like jamaica or something) while mexico and central america do not aside from belize and the caribbean coast.
the aztecs were famously violent, but also socialized in the sense that their society could act in a unitary fashion. meaning that if certain forms or types of violence were disallowed by the chief, those behaviors would stop.
this is similar in character to groups like chechens, who actually have a fairly low crime rate in their region when they aren't explicitly at war.
the 'mestizaje' process seems to have removed the cultural capacity to 'down-regulate' characteristics such as violence. mestizos in mexico have always had a high background rate of violence. historical estimates of the mexican murder rate a century ago put it incredibly high, up around 60 or 70 per 100,000. that was pre-cartel; proto-cartel structures as we know them didn't really emerge until the 1970's.
mexico's murder rate reached its modern lows somewhere around 15 per 100K in the early-2000's, prior to the cartel wars which largely kicked off in 2006. the rate could presumably drop that low again if the cartels reach a more stable configuration and stop fighting for territory all the time.
going lower than that would require the outright incarceration of somewhere between 3 and 5% of the male population, which would basically be the el salvador strategy. but mexico actually lacks basic state capacity over parts of its territory in places like guerrero or sinaloa in a way that el salvador never did. |
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Date: April 12th, 2026 8:53 AM Author: crystalline heaven kitty Thats kind of what I am alluding to--all the groups--pure Europeans, mestizos, and pygmies are all violent as furk. And I think it's because of the roots of the nations--Portugese and Spanish just looting the countries with no regards for forming coherent societies.
How is it that they are so much more violent than their host countries or prior civilisations? I can't even think of a country that runs as a democracy. |
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Date: April 12th, 2026 1:23 PM Author: Duck-like carmine senate internal respiration ty, you're the last scholar left here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49812425) |
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Date: April 13th, 2026 4:59 AM Author: Arousing Bat-shit-crazy Stag Film (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49813625) |
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Date: April 12th, 2026 8:56 AM Author: adventurous stage Its interesting, actually DNA wise it's majority Birdshit mixed with natives and niggas. So basically the worst combination possible (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49812051) |
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Date: April 12th, 2026 9:00 AM Author: crystalline heaven kitty ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49812061) |
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Date: April 12th, 2026 8:57 AM Author: claret diverse property The crime you’re talking about was mostly caused by urbanization starting mid century or so. Mario Vargas Llosa wrote about this (as did many others). Those favelas and shantytowns outside every major LatAm city did not exist before massive population shifts of rural poor moving into cities. If you look at pics of Rio or Lima from the 1950s or so it looks like Europe.
It’s not to say those rural poor weren’t violent before but it was away from the cities so no one cared, plus it was not urban and organized.
Imagine if in North America we had 1000x as many Indians, they were never killed off, and around 1960 or so they all migrated to NYC, Chicago, etc. And since there were not enough jobs or housing they built permanent Hoovervilles in a ring around every downtown. Not enough work or welfare so they sell shit on the street everywhere, sell drugs, join gangs, etc. |
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Date: April 12th, 2026 9:02 AM Author: crystalline heaven kitty There were dictatorships/autocratic rule well predating that though. Doesn't seem like there were ever stable democracies and the methods of murdering, getting rid of opponents seem to be completely different to what was seen prior.
I feel like the shanytowns just exacerbated the situation. |
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Date: April 12th, 2026 2:24 PM Author: adventurous stage the same thing happened in big indian cities, slums developed as rural ppl moved in but big indian cities have homicide rates under 2.0. similar shit with bangkok, jakarta, even manila though their homicide rate i think is higher but still not beaner levels
so ur theory doesnt maek sense, saar |
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Date: April 12th, 2026 2:25 PM Author: Appetizing hairy legs antidepressant drug This is rich coming from a duplicitous and genocidal American (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49812560) |
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Date: April 12th, 2026 2:39 PM Author: Vigorous wild field psychic American violence is Warhammer 40K, Rome in Space Theirs is barely removed from Quest for Fire
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Date: April 12th, 2026 2:27 PM Author: adventurous stage A better question is why ALL of the West Hemp post colonism is furking so much more violent than the rest of the non-nigga world?
Other than Canada everywhere is way more violent. Definitely NIGGAS are a huge reason but seems there's something else abt British, Spanish and Portuguese colonialism that creates strucutres that produced violent underclasses |
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Date: April 12th, 2026 2:40 PM Author: Vigorous wild field psychic suggesting all poa's invested ITT watch The Mission (1986) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49812586) |
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Date: April 12th, 2026 2:41 PM Author: mint passionate mediation hospital How does this retarded fucking thread have like 50 replies
They're Literally Brown. That's it. That's the explanation.
Hope this helps |
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Date: April 12th, 2026 2:45 PM Author: adventurous stage salvadoreans are brown?
argentinians are brown? https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5?locations=AR |
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Date: April 13th, 2026 6:07 AM Author: chrome state https://im.indiatimes.in/photogallery/2022/Dec/3ap_63a01cbddfca8.jpg?w=600&h=449&cc=1&webp=1&q=75
https://cdn.theatlantic.com/thumbor/9kOWliHF1oj4dK05U8tHcImE2lI=/1200x800/media/img/photo/2022/12/argentina-parade/a02_UP1EICK11HU36/original.jpg |
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Date: April 13th, 2026 7:02 AM Author: opaque buck-toothed becky (guy proving his point) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49813715) |
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Date: April 13th, 2026 7:31 AM Author: chrome state Argentina's murder rate, which dropped to 3.8 per 100,000 inhabitants in 2024, is significantly lower than the Latin American average but remains notably higher than most European nations. While Argentina is among the safest countries in South America, its homicide rate is still roughly 3-4 times higher than typical European rates, which often sit around or below 1 per 100,000. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49813748) |
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Date: April 13th, 2026 5:59 PM Author: maroon bearded resort mood Yes.
Yes. |
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Date: April 12th, 2026 7:55 PM Author: racy roast beef boiling water Have you ever seen Apocalypto (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49813175) |
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Date: April 12th, 2026 9:37 PM Author: crystalline heaven kitty What is it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49813322) |
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Date: April 13th, 2026 6:00 PM Author: maroon bearded resort mood Literally came here to poast this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49815298) |
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Date: April 14th, 2026 5:51 AM Author: cocky lascivious sweet tailpipe dysfunction (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49816236) |
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Date: April 14th, 2026 5:39 PM Author: transparent haunted graveyard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49817517) |
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Date: April 14th, 2026 5:39 PM Author: transparent haunted graveyard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49817514) |
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Date: April 13th, 2026 1:11 AM Author: curious effete black woman lettuce Surprising none of the scholars here mentioned the black influence on these populations which often gets erased, because it was incentivized to do so. Mexico, Columbia and Peru actually imported more trans-atlantic slaves than the US ever did (and obviously we know Brazil did more than any of those). Africans were absorbed into the mexican population by mixing and denial. You still have phenotypically obvious afro-americans in Guerrero and Oaxaca where geographic isolation slowed the absorption. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49813562) |
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Date: April 13th, 2026 4:43 AM Author: crystalline heaven kitty How many niggerised Latin Americans formed juntas and firing squads and shit? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49813618) |
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Date: April 13th, 2026 5:20 AM Author: curious effete black woman lettuce idk honestly, just thought I'd mention it because a lot of people when they think mexico don't immediately associate it with blackness, but this is an important illusion to dispel. another aspect I think remains undertheorized itt is that the types of Spanish who were electing to come over to the new world were likely very violent. why else would you even be interested in such an expedition? Not even just the early conquistadors and settlers but even a few hundred years in. The treasure fleet system to protect against pirates, the mining boom etc. These aren't risk averse people. They are more likely to be much more dangerous than your avg. Spaniard. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49813629) |
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Date: April 13th, 2026 6:00 AM Author: crystalline heaven kitty Yeah I guess that makes sense when you consider the Caribbean but the fuckers in South America are so much more violent than all the groups on their own. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49813691) |
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Date: April 13th, 2026 6:38 AM Author: curious effete black woman lettuce Even with recent improvements and year by year and regional variation I have seen lists put mexico up at the top in latin America alongside Brazil, Columbia and Venezuela. Oh yeah thats right El Salvador, Honduras, and Guatemala are even worse than all of those. Overall central America is the worst in the world. Jamaica and some carribean islands are close behind too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49813699) |
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Date: April 14th, 2026 4:35 AM Author: crystalline heaven kitty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49816205) |
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Date: April 13th, 2026 2:01 AM Author: Dark Mewling Private Investor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49813581) |
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Date: April 13th, 2026 5:28 PM Author: curious effete black woman lettuce (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49815209) |
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Date: April 13th, 2026 11:23 PM Author: curious effete black woman lettuce (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49815963) |
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Date: April 14th, 2026 7:42 AM Author: white parlor organic girlfriend as a side note, can you imagine if over the next 10-20 years SPAIN decided "we want to go on some adventures", and tens of thousands of young spanish men went to latam and waged war against the locals and raped and pillaged, and also torn down their churches to build more spanish-style churches, and hundreds of young spanish priests were preaching the gospel, and they were building new cities in the jungle and getting rich as fuck and generally cavorting?
its unthinkable.
it would be as unimaginable as a 12 year old white girl doing this. The people who did this need a vitality score of like 10000 and the average spanish male vitality score today is like 3
what if this whole thing is just testosterone? the arc of world history etc
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Date: April 14th, 2026 8:16 AM Author: yellow mental disorder genital piercing they were poor desperate ruralmos. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49816327) |
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Date: April 14th, 2026 9:33 AM Author: white parlor organic girlfriend now theyre europoors living with mami and papi and like 22% unemployment
500 years ago the risk was even bigger when some significant percent just died on the boat |
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Date: April 14th, 2026 5:38 PM Author: chrome state Risk is valuable when you have nothing, because it gives you a chance of riches and fame that would change your life. When you have your basic needs met along with a number of luxuries, you become risk averse because you have quite a bit to lose from a historical perspective (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49817507) |
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Date: April 14th, 2026 5:41 PM Author: transparent haunted graveyard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49817519) |
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Date: April 14th, 2026 5:34 PM Author: curious effete black woman lettuce (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49817497) |
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Date: April 14th, 2026 5:39 PM Author: transparent haunted graveyard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49817516) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 12:59 AM Author: dark patterns whoaaa I found proof that Latin Americans are genetically predisposed to violence: https://ibb.co/6JBxvvmg (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49968513) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 1:08 AM Author: nyuug nyuug needs to STFU. hes obsessed with spics. SCHIZO FREAK. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49968521) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 1:04 AM Author: getulio Legacy of colonial violence and strong and only freshly chastised cultural tendencies Being used as a cold war battleground between life-disrespecting great powers probably didn't help. Only so many times you can attach a battery and jumper cables to your neighbor's wrists before it starts deadening you to the humanity in others |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 1:11 AM Author: dark patterns cr. https://ibb.co/6JBxvvmg (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5856259&forum_id=2).#49968525) |