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PSA: Jones Day is ranked 15 by Vault and doesn't pay lockstep

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.
buff location
  06/15/18
“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”
aromatic magenta juggernaut spot
  06/15/18
As I understand it.
Charismatic ebony place of business windowlicker
  06/15/18
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Jet-lagged Wonderful Library
  06/15/18
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Jet-lagged Wonderful Library
  02/12/22
they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. th...
aqua parlour
  06/15/18
oh we got a legal expert here
Awkward pearl degenerate
  10/06/21
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buff location
  02/12/22
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Coprophilia Johnny
  08/12/25
they have no debt as I understand it
cheese-eating wagecucks
  06/15/18
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Jet-lagged Wonderful Library
  06/15/18
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Boyish insecure nursing home
  06/15/18
260k is a huge salary
cheese-eating wagecucks
  06/15/18
goes a long way in shaker heights
walnut abnormal toaster
  06/15/18
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alcoholic red quadroon
  06/15/18
Cr. Thats city janitor money
Jet-lagged Wonderful Library
  06/15/18
Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal ...
Glassy meetinghouse
  06/15/18
How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 ...
aphrodisiac bipolar goal in life partner
  02/12/21
It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your cha...
deranged orchid casino brethren
  06/15/18
they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live ...
aqua parlour
  06/15/18
sounds 180
cheese-eating wagecucks
  06/15/18
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alcoholic red quadroon
  06/15/18
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Boyish insecure nursing home
  06/15/18
https://simpsonsscreenshots.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/myst...
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Boyish insecure nursing home
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is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 intera...
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I hate being a lawyer and want to die
  08/12/25
omg 260k where do they get off
flushed immigrant
  06/15/18
For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t ...
buff location
  06/15/18
p depressing news going into the weekend
Comical nighttime prole
  06/15/18
Eat my dick nigger lover
buff location
  06/15/18
your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire...
Comical nighttime prole
  06/15/18
Explain
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Lemon Den
  06/16/18
yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put...
Sticky native dysfunction
  06/15/18
To be fair, *Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends
Vigorous bat shit crazy chad
  06/15/18
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balding indigo yarmulke love of her life
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Boyish insecure nursing home
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buff location
  10/14/21
I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.
maroon headpube kitchen
  02/12/21
holy shit out the firm
Contagious site halford
  02/12/21
or at least give us vault range. that is really low.
buff location
  02/12/21
Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.
Histrionic massive base double fault
  02/12/21
it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression a...
buff location
  02/12/21
That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cr...
Histrionic massive base double fault
  02/12/21
i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.
buff location
  02/15/21
They systematically overpay top performers though. If you'r...
Disgusting plaza indirect expression
  02/12/21
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balding indigo yarmulke love of her life
  02/12/21
No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an...
maroon headpube kitchen
  02/12/21
Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they ca...
Disgusting plaza indirect expression
  02/12/21
Better partnership odds
Titillating Autistic Community Account
  02/12/21
That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner ...
Disgusting plaza indirect expression
  02/12/21
Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except f...
Titillating Autistic Community Account
  02/12/21
(Stevie Brogan)
Contagious site halford
  02/12/21
lol no
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  02/12/21
how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Clevel...
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  06/29/21
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Garnet unholy home
  10/06/21
that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.
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  10/06/21
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  02/12/22


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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:24 PM
Author: buff location

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:27 PM
Author: aromatic magenta juggernaut spot

“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”

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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:33 PM
Author: Charismatic ebony place of business windowlicker

As I understand it.

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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:37 PM
Author: Jet-lagged Wonderful Library



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:55 AM
Author: Jet-lagged Wonderful Library



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: aqua parlour

they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. the high ranking is from their NY and DC specialty practices, which didn't arrive until the 80s. they lost their entire DC office when it broke off to form crowell & moring

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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:10 PM
Author: Awkward pearl degenerate

oh we got a legal expert here

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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:41 AM
Author: buff location



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Date: August 12th, 2025 12:15 PM
Author: Coprophilia Johnny ((zurich is stained))



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: cheese-eating wagecucks

they have no debt as I understand it

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:48 PM
Author: Jet-lagged Wonderful Library



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: Boyish insecure nursing home



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:33 PM
Author: cheese-eating wagecucks

260k is a huge salary

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: walnut abnormal toaster

goes a long way in shaker heights

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:41 PM
Author: alcoholic red quadroon



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: Jet-lagged Wonderful Library

Cr. Thats city janitor money

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: Glassy meetinghouse

Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal profession will always have a massive oversupply problem unless major changes are made.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#36252986)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:14 PM
Author: aphrodisiac bipolar goal in life partner

How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 firms are all competing over the same band of graduates and to a lesser extent laterals. There's an oversupply of lawyers in the country but there isn't an oversupply of Class of 2017 Stanford Law graduates willing to do debt financing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41935785)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:35 PM
Author: deranged orchid casino brethren

It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your chances of making a career of it v. maximizing your earnings. That's always been my impression, although maybe incorrect.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#36252995)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: aqua parlour

they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live in the midwest making six figures as basically a career of counsel, it might work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#36253002)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: cheese-eating wagecucks

sounds 180

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:42 PM
Author: alcoholic red quadroon



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:56 PM
Author: Boyish insecure nursing home



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:38 PM
Author: greedy theater stage mad cow disease

https://simpsonsscreenshots.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/mysterybox.png

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: Jet-lagged Wonderful Library



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:38 PM
Author: Charismatic ebony place of business windowlicker



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: Boyish insecure nursing home



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:55 PM
Author: Boyish insecure nursing home

https://imgur.com/a/9I8pMf1

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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:59 PM
Author: deranged orchid casino brethren



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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:46 PM
Author: Lemon Den



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: Boyish insecure nursing home



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:12 PM
Author: Lemon Den



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: buff location

is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 interacts with 7.2" guy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#43231447)



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Date: January 18th, 2025 10:31 PM
Author: buff location



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Date: August 12th, 2025 12:32 PM
Author: I hate being a lawyer and want to die



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:50 PM
Author: flushed immigrant

omg 260k where do they get off

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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:24 PM
Author: buff location

For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t pay lockstep and was making 260k when I made partner.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#36253521)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:28 PM
Author: Comical nighttime prole

p depressing news going into the weekend

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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:15 PM
Author: buff location

Eat my dick nigger lover

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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:05 PM
Author: Comical nighttime prole

your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire du jour

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#36254215)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:35 PM
Author: buff location

Explain

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Date: June 16th, 2018 2:30 PM
Author: buff location



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Date: September 4th, 2018 2:24 PM
Author: buff location



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Date: June 16th, 2018 12:01 AM
Author: Lemon Den



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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:28 PM
Author: Sticky native dysfunction

yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put in some time and then afterwards you basically write your own ticket

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#36253827)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:46 PM
Author: Vigorous bat shit crazy chad

To be fair,

*Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#36254339)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:22 PM
Author: buff location



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:21 PM
Author: balding indigo yarmulke love of her life



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: Boyish insecure nursing home



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Date: October 14th, 2021 1:53 PM
Author: buff location



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:36 PM
Author: maroon headpube kitchen

I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41933507)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:37 PM
Author: Contagious site halford

holy shit

out the firm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41933521)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:15 PM
Author: buff location

or at least give us vault range. that is really low.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41933783)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:22 PM
Author: Histrionic massive base double fault

Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41933832)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: buff location

it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression at firms that don't pay lockstep (like mine). I think when i made partner biglaw was at 180 or 190 for first years. i was making 260 when i was put up. my firm always matches the market salary for first years but does nothing for anyone year 2 and beyond.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41933852)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:27 PM
Author: Histrionic massive base double fault

That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cravath scale but it’s been a while since I’ve seen the list

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41933882)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:02 PM
Author: buff location

i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41949761)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: Disgusting plaza indirect expression

They systematically overpay top performers though. If you're a 6th year doing 2400+ hours and unhappy with your pay and you're good, you could walk across the street to any other firm that does lockstep. But now you make the same as their worst sixth year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41933851)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:39 PM
Author: balding indigo yarmulke love of her life



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:10 PM
Author: maroon headpube kitchen

No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an associate of the same year at a lockstep firm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41935758)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:57 PM
Author: Disgusting plaza indirect expression

Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they can go to another firm tomorrow and get more money?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41935989)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:00 PM
Author: Titillating Autistic Community Account

Better partnership odds

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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:04 PM
Author: Disgusting plaza indirect expression

That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner classes, but it's a longer track too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41936016)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:10 PM
Author: Titillating Autistic Community Account

Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except for places where no one makes partner (Cravath, S&C, etc.).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41936043)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:15 PM
Author: Contagious site halford

(Stevie Brogan)

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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:22 PM
Author: Shimmering property pervert

lol no

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41935828)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:12 PM
Author: Hairraiser talking brunch

how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Cleveland? the Shaker Heights trolling has got me curious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#41949811)



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Date: June 29th, 2021 8:18 AM
Author: buff location



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:07 PM
Author: buff location



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:15 PM
Author: Garnet unholy home



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: provocative haunting fat ankles

that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2).#43231452)



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:43 AM
Author: buff location



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