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If these vaccines are as safe and effective as they say they are
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Date: May 15th, 2021 1:31 AM Author: fragrant emerald theater stage Wouldn't they be one of the greatest scientific breakthroughs of the modern age? New vaccine tech cooked up overnight by multiple companies around the world that just happens to be safer and more effective than all pervious iterations. Shouldn't the media be telling us what a momentous scientific achievement this is and how the mechanisms that guarantee such safety and efficacy were discovered? Instead I'm told by 'experts' to take the vaccine and not ask questions. Something doesn't add up. Either all of mainstream society is crazy or I am. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4835105&forum_id=2).#42465171) |
Date: May 15th, 2021 9:36 AM Author: fragrant emerald theater stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4835105&forum_id=2).#42465742) |
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Date: May 15th, 2021 9:46 AM Author: wild poppy goyim area Just take the goddamn vaccine shitcons. Sick of listening to your whining. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4835105&forum_id=2).#42465768) |
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Date: May 15th, 2021 10:12 AM Author: fragrant emerald theater stage Why do you care? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4835105&forum_id=2).#42465849) |
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Date: May 15th, 2021 10:13 AM Author: Dull codepig And enjoy putting the mask back on when the CDC comes back in august and says “ooops! Now that you’re all vaccinated we need to mask up!” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4835105&forum_id=2).#42465863) |
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Date: May 15th, 2021 12:38 PM Author: fragrant emerald theater stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4835105&forum_id=2).#42466608) |
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Date: May 15th, 2021 12:42 PM Author: Twinkling address (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4835105&forum_id=2).#42466617) |
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Date: May 15th, 2021 12:41 PM Author: Twinkling address (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4835105&forum_id=2).#42466615) |
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Date: May 17th, 2021 1:04 AM Author: navy set better yet, just self-isolate on an island w/out modern medicine and only essential oils (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4835105&forum_id=2).#42474794) |
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Date: May 15th, 2021 10:14 AM Author: Impertinent sanctuary fanboi The vaccine manufacturers have never said they're safe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4835105&forum_id=2).#42465870) |
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Date: May 15th, 2021 11:00 AM Author: fragrant emerald theater stage The media, government, the experts, and my doctor all say it's safe and it's now time to inject my kids. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4835105&forum_id=2).#42466170) |
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Date: May 15th, 2021 12:40 PM Author: Bronze Dog Poop Hall They never even did any testing on kids at all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4835105&forum_id=2).#42466613) |
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Date: May 15th, 2021 5:58 PM Author: fragrant emerald theater stage wtf (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4835105&forum_id=2).#42467887) |
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Date: May 15th, 2021 10:58 PM Author: Floppy stag film stock car They are currently running trials on kids as young as 6 mos, these sickos (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4835105&forum_id=2).#42469240) |
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Date: May 15th, 2021 11:06 PM Author: fragrant emerald theater stage Wtf (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4835105&forum_id=2).#42469269) |
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Date: May 15th, 2021 12:43 PM Author: Bronze Dog Poop Hall That’s what’s so crazy about all this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4835105&forum_id=2).#42466619) |
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Date: May 15th, 2021 11:00 AM Author: nudist rigor tell us what's going on (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4835105&forum_id=2).#42466172) |
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Date: May 15th, 2021 11:02 AM Author: fragrant emerald theater stage I'm not the one that has some explaining to do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4835105&forum_id=2).#42466187) |
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Date: May 15th, 2021 1:58 PM Author: fragrant emerald theater stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4835105&forum_id=2).#42467016) |
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Date: May 15th, 2021 12:44 PM Author: Pink aromatic school cafeteria The "media" is a bunch of kikes who took Geography as their one science class in college they can't understand or explain anything (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4835105&forum_id=2).#42466622) |
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Date: May 15th, 2021 12:59 PM Author: fragrant emerald theater stage Is there anyone who can explain what's going on? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4835105&forum_id=2).#42466691) |
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Date: May 15th, 2021 3:53 PM Author: cracking trust fund hunting ground They are an amazing scientific breakthrough and will likely lead to cancer cures, but the media is retarded and thus naturally averse to any story that requires scientific knowledge. https://molecular-cancer.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12943-021-01335-5 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4835105&forum_id=2).#42467460) |
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Date: May 15th, 2021 4:11 PM Author: fragrant emerald theater stage So what's the breakthrough with the COVID vaccine in particular? As I understand it they've been working on mRNA for a while but were unable to make one that was safe and effective. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4835105&forum_id=2).#42467515) |
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Date: May 15th, 2021 3:58 PM Author: thirsty casino They're safe. I don't know that they're appreciably safer than previous vaccines, which are already pretty safe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4835105&forum_id=2).#42467479) |
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Date: May 15th, 2021 4:08 PM Author: fragrant emerald theater stage And how do we know they're safe long term? In theory anyway since it's obvious you don't actually know. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4835105&forum_id=2).#42467503) |
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Date: May 15th, 2021 4:16 PM Author: thirsty casino All they are is mRNA to produce proteins to cause an immune response.
Nothing about mRNA is conceivably dangerous.
If one of the proteins is isomorphic to one we need to survive, it could theoretically cause a prion-like disease. However, the chance of that is vanishingly small, because a twisted-up version of a native protein isn't going to produce the immune response required to become a vaccine.
For some people with immune disorders, it could be that their immune system overreacts. This is probably the most likely way they could be harmful, but the results would be nearly immediate. |
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Date: May 15th, 2021 4:25 PM Author: fragrant emerald theater stage Up until 2020, these mRNA biotech companies had poor results testing mRNA drugs for cardiovascular, metabolic and renal diseases; selected targets for cancer; and rare diseases like Crigler–Najjar syndrome, with most finding that the side-effects of the mRNA delivery methods were too serious.[24][25] mRNA vaccines for human use have been developed and tested for the diseases rabies, Zika, cytomegalovirus, and influenza, although these mRNA vaccines have not been licensed.[26] Many large pharmaceutical companies abandoned the technology,[24] while some biotechs re-focused on the less profitable area of vaccines, where the doses would be at lower levels and side-effects reduced.[24][27]
From wikipedia. So the only prior concern with these vaccines was initial side effects from the delivery method? How did they fortuitously fix the problem right when COVID hit? |
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Date: May 15th, 2021 4:37 PM Author: thirsty casino Don't think it was "fortuitous" -- it's been something Moderna has been working on over the past decade. Help me understand your concern? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4835105&forum_id=2).#42467613) |
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Date: May 15th, 2021 4:52 PM Author: fragrant emerald theater stage Remember this graphic?
https://media.kare11.com/assets/KARE/images/085066eb-b5ec-4811-b7b0-717ffee191ab/085066eb-b5ec-4811-b7b0-717ffee191ab_1140x641.jpg |
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Date: May 15th, 2021 4:58 PM Author: thirsty casino I'm not familiar. What's the context? Not trying to be obtuse, but I'm having trouble understanding the background of your views on this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4835105&forum_id=2).#42467669) |
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Date: May 15th, 2021 5:00 PM Author: fragrant emerald theater stage This is every day that mRNA vaccines weren't considered viable for human use, until the COVID vaccine was created in 2 days. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4835105&forum_id=2).#42467672) |
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Date: May 15th, 2021 5:05 PM Author: thirsty casino ModeRNA (MRNA) was founded in 2010 and had a $1bn valuation by 2014. It went public in 2018. Clearly some people thought mRNA was viable.
What's up with October 14, 1973? |
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Date: May 15th, 2021 5:08 PM Author: fragrant emerald theater stage Theranos raised more than US$700 million from venture capitalists and private investors,[7] resulting in a $10 billion valuation at its peak in 2013 and 2014.[8][9]
Welp guess that settles it. |
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Date: May 15th, 2021 5:13 PM Author: fragrant emerald theater stage I think research on them first started in 1973 but that could be wrong. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4835105&forum_id=2).#42467719) |
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Date: May 18th, 2021 11:54 AM Author: fragrant emerald theater stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4835105&forum_id=2).#42482282) |
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Date: May 15th, 2021 11:10 PM Author: diverse keepsake machete forum nobody has any idea if a drug is safe until it has been available to the general public for a LONG time (decade plus) with long-term safety databases
that's it. there is no other way to know.
there are many drugs used to treat common conditions like heart disease, etc. that have been pulled after 10-15 years on the market because in large enough populations serious adverse events become evident (that were impossibly to detect in limited clinical trials)
people telling you the vaccine is "proven to be safe" are straight up lying to your face. |
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Date: May 15th, 2021 11:24 PM Author: fragrant emerald theater stage Why can't anyone explain why the COVID vaccines are safer than all the failed attempts before? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4835105&forum_id=2).#42469360) |
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Date: May 16th, 2021 2:47 AM Author: Outnumbered swashbuckling newt What makes you think that cattle have the right to ask questions?
#TrustTheSlaughterhouse |
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Date: May 16th, 2021 2:44 PM Author: thirsty casino You seem really focused on the question of whether they're "safer" than other vaccines. I don't understand this. Are you of the opinion that extant vaccines are unsafe? Do you refuse to get your MMR? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4835105&forum_id=2).#42471658) |
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Date: May 16th, 2021 7:12 PM Author: fragrant emerald theater stage I haven't referred to vaccines other than mRNA at all. Hth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4835105&forum_id=2).#42473080) |
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Date: May 17th, 2021 12:23 AM Author: thirsty casino Well, sorry to tell you, but when you are railing against the claim that "new vaccine tech cooked up overnight" is "safer and more effective than all previous iterations," it sure as hell sounds like you mean exactly that.
I've tried to genuinely engage with you here and try to understand where you're coming from, but if you're gonna get pissy just because you're a bad communicator, I think we're done here. |
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Date: May 17th, 2021 12:36 AM Author: fragrant emerald theater stage I'm pretty clearly talking about mRNA vaccines itt. Not sure what you're on about. I'm still waiting for an answer from anyone. If you say you're done here I believe you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4835105&forum_id=2).#42474606) |
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Date: May 17th, 2021 12:40 AM Author: thirsty casino Sure you are. "Would they really cancel the prior vaccines just for that though?"
If you're genuinely curious about the history of the development of these delivery systems and the dangers posed by previous ones, it's pretty easy to find.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7076378/
And you'll see that lipid nanoparticles like the ones used by Moderna and Pfizer were beginning to show real promise in 2019.
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.molpharmaceut.8b01290
So yeah. "Not sure what you're on about" back atcha. mRNA has been an area of active research for a while. mRNA itself is necessarily safe, since otherwise we all would have died within hours of being born. The proteins can pose a danger if they are malformed versions of ones we need (in which case it would be like having a prion disease), or if they provoke too strong an immune response. The real issues in previous mRNA vaccines were related to the delivery mechanism, e.g., cytotoxicity. A year or so before COVID there was a new delivery mechanism approach that was showing promise; a number of researchers went that route in trying to find a COVID vaccine quickly.
Do you have any reason for thinking that LNPs would be equally dangerous as (or more dangerous than) viral vectors? |
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Date: May 17th, 2021 1:00 AM Author: fragrant emerald theater stage You seem a bit lost itt but you managed to provide some info that might help explain things. thakn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4835105&forum_id=2).#42474773) |
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Date: May 17th, 2021 12:41 AM Author: Provocative Tank We figured out how to inject the RNA without triggering an immune response. That happened a few years ago. It just wasn't put into large scale trials until now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4835105&forum_id=2).#42474645) |
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Date: May 17th, 2021 12:25 PM Author: fragrant emerald theater stage So is the charitable explanation that we basically pushed these vaccines out as a clinical trial and got lucky that they work as well as they do? And the media/gov doesn't want to talk about the details because they probably shouldn't have pushed them so hard, but now everything is fine and dandy so just take the vaccine and shut up? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4835105&forum_id=2).#42476613) |
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Date: May 16th, 2021 2:46 AM Author: Outnumbered swashbuckling newt 'people telling you the vaccine is "proven to be safe" are straight up lying to your face.'
The people who view the rest of us as guinea pigs and lab rats, pawns for social engineering experiments - all in the name of #Science and #Progress and #SocialJustice of course - respect us far, far too much to lie to our faces, I'm certain of it.
When $cientists aren't injecting lab rats with cancer, they treat them with the utmost tenderness, I've heard on very good authority. #TrustTheExperts
They're the plucky underdog rebels #FightingThePower and #RagingAgainstTheMachine, remember?
Why else would they so compassionately and selflessly remind us constantly that, due to their humble and not-at-all power-hungry and status-seeking efforts, #LoveWins? |
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Date: May 17th, 2021 12:28 PM Author: Bronze Dog Poop Hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4835105&forum_id=2).#42476631) |
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Date: May 16th, 2021 2:56 AM Author: Honey-headed pit I suspect these vaccines are as safe as the earlier mRNA vaccines but they’ve just tried to prime everyone to think that “kooky” side effects are “okay”. For example an arm that hurts for weeks and a 101 degree temp for a couple days is perfectly norm! Yeah okay. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4835105&forum_id=2).#42470052) |
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Date: May 16th, 2021 3:08 AM Author: hilarious pale wagecucks I’ve had those symptoms after the flu vaccine and others too. Seems normal to me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4835105&forum_id=2).#42470077) |
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Date: May 16th, 2021 12:52 PM Author: fragrant emerald theater stage Would they really cancel the prior vaccines just for that though? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4835105&forum_id=2).#42471164) |
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Date: May 17th, 2021 12:30 PM Author: Honey-headed pit Possibly severe side effects being called the norm by health officials. "Break through" cases being called the norm by health officials. Even risk of death from J&J, no biggie, let's keep offering that vax!
I don't think a vaccine review board in a pharmaceutical company at early stages could envision a scenario where all this would just be accepted as perfectly fine by everyone. |
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Date: May 17th, 2021 4:01 PM Author: fragrant emerald theater stage Idk reported side effects don't seem like a big deal to me. If there are no long term effects seems like a win. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4835105&forum_id=2).#42478115) |
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