Try telling them Expedition 33 is a fake indie and they’re like “30-person team, champ. The State of AAA 😏.” Like what the fuck are they talking about. That’s the same team size as Metroid Prime 1, which also had a Publisher. Just like them. What the fuck. These Losers are just captivated by the narrative and want a Reprieve from the State of AAA.

This is a situation where even if E33 won GOTY and even if it were nominated in the indie category that the voters should’ve just voted for Silksong imho.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824371&forum_id=2,#49641123)

Expedition 33's publisher is an indie publisher ffs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kepler_Interactive

the same thing exists in Film. Fox Searchlight et al. The Films they distribute are "independently" conceived but for fuck's sake no one's like "The Full Monty, a triumph. Indie Films such as this offer a reprieve. The Descendants, a tour de force. AAA is on notice."

gamers are just cringe af, that's the problem. that's the fundamental problem.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824371&forum_id=2,#49644878)

first of all, digital has been GREAT for making the "hobby" more accessible. PC gamers figured this out ages ago. There have definitely been times where I went into a gamestop, and was just like, "you know what? fuck this. never again." Just because of the phenotypes.

Second there is all sorts of weird vernacular

Gameplay: This is not a word.

Going Gold: Obsolete ceremony. It referred to pressing physical discs, which barely matters anymore, yet it’s still announced like a rite of passage. Day-one patches immediately invalidate it. Corporate nostalgia masquerading as legitimacy.

AAA: Borrowed from credit ratings, not culture. Or maybe they just started saying AAA because they wanted high scores idk.

Mechanics: Trotted out when “gameplay” has been said too many times, not when anything mechanical is actually being discussed.

Engine: Way overused bc gamers don't understand Engineering. When someone says “the engine does X,” they usually mean “some gameplay system we bolted on in blueprints/Lua/C#.” They aren’t Engineers, they don’t know where the engine boundary actually is, and they use the word because it sounds hard, adult, and infrastructural.

Calling games “Titles”: The most revealing tell. They can’t say game because “gaming” sounds unserious, so they reach for a sterile catalog term. Books have titles, but no one calls them “Titles.” Films have titles, but no one says “I watched three Titles last night.” It’s linguistic shame; trying to sound adult by sanding off the word that actually names the thing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824371&forum_id=2,#49644964)

"Balatro had a publisher. Pacific Drive had a publisher. Sifu had a publisher. All these games got nominated for GOTY/Indie GOTY. Guess what. Pacific Drive, Sifu and Expedition 33 were both published by the same company: Kepler Interactive. Yet no one debates if these other games are indie or not. 😏"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824371&forum_id=2,#49644882)

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2mo ago

It wasn't always ill defined. It was accurate when the term was first coined. The trouble is that the indie scene in games has evolved to become an actual major segment of the industry now, so it's evolved its own compartmentalization with publishing and such.

The meaning of 'indie' has evolved but people are pedants and still try to use the original definition to gatekeep.

😂

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824371&forum_id=2,#49645003)

Actual Indies should have an actual name that addresses the fact that they don't have cutting-edge 3D graphics. A name like "Lo-fi" or something would fit. No one has ever thought of this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5824371&forum_id=2,#49645008)