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MLS is a Ponzi scheme propped up by expansion and will collapse

Fact.
transparent heady principal's office
  01/06/16
what will replace it? there is clearly demand for a domestic...
Fighting aphrodisiac friendly grandma cuck
  01/06/16
The rest of the soccer pyramid in the US that already has te...
transparent heady principal's office
  01/06/16
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Laughsome awkward fanboi box office
  08/04/17
Ridiculous. The multiple-listing service is a critical compo...
milky thriller native dog poop
  01/06/16
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Concupiscible Purple Dilemma
  01/06/16
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Lascivious shaky deer antler
  08/07/17
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Jet boyish sex offender
  08/07/17
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ebony locus useless brakes
  11/29/19
Its outlasted the NASL. I think it will be fine. Seems the...
Naked karate
  01/06/16
they will hit 30 teams soon. top level divisions everywhere ...
transparent heady principal's office
  01/06/16
And also only cover areas the size and population of Florida...
Beta swashbuckling jew ticket booth
  01/06/16
where is MLS going to find good players to fill these teams?
transparent heady principal's office
  01/06/16
ljl. their niche is finding elite retiring players
Anal Galvanic Bawdyhouse Patrolman
  01/06/16
does MLS still use the system where all of the players sign ...
Fighting aphrodisiac friendly grandma cuck
  01/06/16
yes. and until just a few weeks ago they still had owners wh...
transparent heady principal's office
  01/06/16
don't good foreign leagues also promote/demote teams, unlike...
hilarious emerald step-uncle's house
  08/07/17
LOL http://deadspin.com/is-mls-a-ponzi-scheme-1797509617 ...
transparent heady principal's office
  08/04/17
The adidas contract is now 117 mil a year instead of 25
Painfully honest racy sandwich brunch
  08/04/17
Lmao thats half of what PSG paid for 1 player
transparent heady principal's office
  08/04/17
Yeah but MLS salary cap is 3.5 million
Painfully honest racy sandwich brunch
  08/07/17
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transparent heady principal's office
  08/04/17
You are such a faggot.
deep slimy lay
  08/04/17
(Don Garber)
transparent heady principal's office
  08/04/17
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/adidas-extends-major-league-s...
deep slimy lay
  08/06/17
Utterly fake BS
transparent heady principal's office
  08/07/17
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Painfully honest racy sandwich brunch
  11/29/19
MLS officially expanded to Charlotte on Tuesday, as the leag...
transparent heady principal's office
  12/20/19
Expansion fees high, income low, expand to Bayern San Franci...
Painfully honest racy sandwich brunch
  12/20/19
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chandler (retired)
  07/07/26


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Date: January 6th, 2016 5:30 PM
Author: transparent heady principal's office

Fact.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3089273&forum_id=2,#29536354)



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Date: January 6th, 2016 5:32 PM
Author: Fighting aphrodisiac friendly grandma cuck

what will replace it? there is clearly demand for a domestic soccer league in the US.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3089273&forum_id=2,#29536357)



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Date: January 6th, 2016 5:35 PM
Author: transparent heady principal's office

The rest of the soccer pyramid in the US that already has teams all over

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3089273&forum_id=2,#29536369)



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Date: August 4th, 2017 8:57 PM
Author: Laughsome awkward fanboi box office



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Date: January 6th, 2016 5:34 PM
Author: milky thriller native dog poop

Ridiculous. The multiple-listing service is a critical component of our domestic home resale market.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3089273&forum_id=2,#29536365)



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Date: January 6th, 2016 5:58 PM
Author: Concupiscible Purple Dilemma



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Date: August 7th, 2017 12:15 AM
Author: Lascivious shaky deer antler



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Date: August 7th, 2017 1:32 AM
Author: Jet boyish sex offender



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Date: November 29th, 2019 5:13 PM
Author: ebony locus useless brakes



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3089273&forum_id=2,#39190958)



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Date: January 6th, 2016 5:37 PM
Author: Naked karate

Its outlasted the NASL. I think it will be fine. Seems they are expanding smarter now and are quick to pull out if its not working.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3089273&forum_id=2,#29536384)



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Date: January 6th, 2016 5:49 PM
Author: transparent heady principal's office

they will hit 30 teams soon. top level divisions everywhere else (with actual good players) have 20 teams.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3089273&forum_id=2,#29536474)



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Date: January 6th, 2016 5:51 PM
Author: Beta swashbuckling jew ticket booth

And also only cover areas the size and population of Florida.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3089273&forum_id=2,#29536482)



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Date: January 6th, 2016 5:52 PM
Author: transparent heady principal's office

where is MLS going to find good players to fill these teams?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3089273&forum_id=2,#29536484)



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Date: January 6th, 2016 5:54 PM
Author: Anal Galvanic Bawdyhouse Patrolman

ljl. their niche is finding elite retiring players

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3089273&forum_id=2,#29536497)



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Date: January 6th, 2016 5:52 PM
Author: Fighting aphrodisiac friendly grandma cuck

does MLS still use the system where all of the players sign with MLS and are assigned to teams, versus having a contract with the team they play for?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3089273&forum_id=2,#29536487)



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Date: January 6th, 2016 5:55 PM
Author: transparent heady principal's office

yes. and until just a few weeks ago they still had owners who owned multiple competing teams

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3089273&forum_id=2,#29536505)



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Date: August 7th, 2017 1:38 AM
Author: hilarious emerald step-uncle's house

don't good foreign leagues also promote/demote teams, unlike MSL?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3089273&forum_id=2,#33933652)



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Date: August 4th, 2017 8:24 PM
Author: transparent heady principal's office

LOL

http://deadspin.com/is-mls-a-ponzi-scheme-1797509617

That business model and this financial trajectory suggests that MLS’s sea of red ink is either a loss leader or a Ponzi scheme, and it’s not always easy to tell the difference between the two until it’s too late. Several sports economists, though, aren’t optimistic.

“The best indicator of expansion franchise worth is success at the bottom of the league” in revenues, says Stanford economist Roger Noll. For MLS, “that still looks more like AAA baseball except for a few million per year more in TV revenue.”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3089273&forum_id=2,#33920737)



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Date: August 4th, 2017 8:34 PM
Author: Painfully honest racy sandwich brunch

The adidas contract is now 117 mil a year instead of 25



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3089273&forum_id=2,#33920793)



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Date: August 4th, 2017 8:35 PM
Author: transparent heady principal's office

Lmao thats half of what PSG paid for 1 player

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3089273&forum_id=2,#33920797)



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Date: August 7th, 2017 12:18 AM
Author: Painfully honest racy sandwich brunch

Yeah but MLS salary cap is 3.5 million

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3089273&forum_id=2,#33933419)



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Date: August 4th, 2017 8:31 PM
Author: transparent heady principal's office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3089273&forum_id=2,#33920775)



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Date: August 4th, 2017 8:51 PM
Author: deep slimy lay

You are such a faggot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3089273&forum_id=2,#33920870)



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Date: August 4th, 2017 9:13 PM
Author: transparent heady principal's office

(Don Garber)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3089273&forum_id=2,#33920962)



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Date: August 6th, 2017 6:59 PM
Author: deep slimy lay

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/adidas-extends-major-league-soccer-sponsorship-6-years-700-million-152955630.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3089273&forum_id=2,#33931441)



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Date: August 7th, 2017 1:30 AM
Author: transparent heady principal's office

Utterly fake BS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3089273&forum_id=2,#33933639)



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Date: November 29th, 2019 5:12 PM
Author: Painfully honest racy sandwich brunch



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3089273&forum_id=2,#39190954)



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Date: December 20th, 2019 2:35 AM
Author: transparent heady principal's office

MLS officially expanded to Charlotte on Tuesday, as the league announced that it has granted its 30th club to David Tepper, the billionaire owner of the NFL’s Carolina Panthers.

The deal came at significant cost to Tepper, who will pay a whopping $325 million expansion fee just for the privilege of joining the league. The all-time record amount represents a $125 million jump from the $200 million expansion fees that MLS charged earlier this year when it awarded teams 28 and 29 to St. Louis and Sacramento.

Oddly enough, it’s also roughly the same amount that Michael Jordan spent to buy the NBA’s Charlotte Hornets in 2010. Jordan paid $275 million to purchase the then-Bobcats in March of 2010, which, when adjusting for inflation, equates to $324.4 million in 2019 dollars.

Sources detailed to The Athletic over the last couple of days the mechanics of how the expansion fees are paid by incoming clubs and distributed to existing ones.

The payment process for each expansion club is determined as part of their individual expansion agreement to join the league. Those details are hammered out in negotiations, with sources confirming that the vast majority of expansion teams pay their fees in multiple installments, almost always within a period of four to six years. Multiple sources said that the league typically wants the bulk of the fee paid before the club starts play in the league.

The sources also confirmed that recent expansion clubs Minnesota United and FC Cincinnati are both still in the process of paying off their expansion fees. Minnesota was awarded an MLS team in 2015 for an expansion fee of $100 million; Cincinnati was granted entry into the league in 2018 for a fee of $150 million.

The league distributes expansion fees equally among its “fully-vested” clubs. How long it takes for a club to become fully-vested in the league is also something that’s negotiated during the expansion process; some teams, said multiple sources, have become fully-vested after a percentage — but not all — of the fee is paid off, while others became fully-vested when the balance of their expansion fee was paid in full.

The growth of the league’s cost of entry has been exponential, rising just over 4,200 percent since Real Salt Lake paid $7.5 million to join MLS in 2005. TFC paid $10 million in 2007, a fee which jumped to $30 million with the 2009 addition of the Seattle Sounders and the 2010 debut of the Philadelphia Union. The Portland Timbers and Vancouver Whitecaps both paid $35 million for an MLS franchise and debuted in 2011. Montreal then paid $40 million and entered in 2012. By the time NYCFC joined MLS in 2015, the fee had hit $100 million. The increase from Cincinnati’s $150 million fee and the $200 million paid by St. Louis and Sacramento to Charlotte’s $325 million, though is truly unprecedented.

According to multiple sources, the huge jump in the fee came down to a couple of factors. First, Tepper had some serious urgency. He was a bit of a late-comer to the MLS expansion race, and he was willing to pay a premium to ensure his quick entry into the league. He felt he had the strongest bid in 2019, but he didn’t want to waste time and risk letting interested parties in Detroit, San Diego, Las Vegas, Phoenix or elsewhere get back into the game. His desire to obtain public funds to help construct team headquarters and a practice facility just north of central Charlotte and to refurbish Bank of America Stadium, which has housed the Panthers since their inaugural season in 1996 and will be the home of Charlotte’s MLS team, also played a significant role. He had better odds of getting taxpayer funds for stadium renovations if he could tell city officials that Bank of America Stadium would host around 30 NFL and MLS games per year and not just 10 or so NFL contests.

Charlotte mayor Vi Lyles has committed $110 million toward stadium renovations and to the construction of a training facility for the team. Tepper said on Tuesday that he anticipates putting some of his own money into stadium renovations and into the facility.

“I’ll tell you this, there is more money going into the training facility than (into renovating) the stadium,” said Tepper. “And we’re going to have to obviously add dollars on top of those numbers to get those things done.”

For a league in which many teams struggle to generate significant revenue, those payouts can be important. To clubs like the Colorado Rapids or FC Dallas, for example, which are both perennially in the bottom third of MLS attendance rankings, it can be a massive infusion of cash. Based on our own, back-of-the-envelope calculations, when NYCFC joined the league in 2015 for $100 million, the Rapids and FCD likely saw an influx of anywhere from $5-7 million, a range arrived at by dividing that fee by the potential number of fully-vested teams. With franchise fees going for over triple that amount, those same two clubs are now receiving much larger payments, likely in the $10-12 million range — a not insignificant sum of money for any MLS team, let alone a low-revenue one.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3089273&forum_id=2,#39296182)



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Date: December 20th, 2019 2:37 AM
Author: Painfully honest racy sandwich brunch

Expansion fees high, income low, expand to Bayern San Francisco

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3089273&forum_id=2,#39296185)



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Date: July 7th, 2026 12:18 AM
Author: chandler (retired)



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