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Book rec for boys ?

any books you read or wish you had read in high school? look...
henna tanning salon
  12/18/25
I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderso...
Mind-boggling stubborn sanctuary clown
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"There's a trip to the farmers market and time for toys...
Razzmatazz depressive
  12/19/25
this is now forever in my search history I want you dead,...
Razzmatazz depressive
  12/19/25
mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel
Indigo Bawdyhouse Philosopher-king
  12/18/25
A few offhand: -On the Shortness of Life - Seneca -Sta...
burgundy idea he suggested
  12/18/25
https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922329&mc=32&a...
Razzmatazz depressive
  12/19/25
or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of...
bateful very tactful circlehead
  12/19/25
The Illustrated Man Odyssey The International Jew 1984 M...
Lascivious ocher factory reset button
  12/18/25
Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters
Scarlet cruise ship
  12/18/25
i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer readin...
henna tanning salon
  12/18/25
Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Ce...
Scarlet cruise ship
  12/18/25
they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your...
henna tanning salon
  12/18/25
180
Scarlet cruise ship
  12/18/25
The eyes and the impossible sourdough heart of samurai...
haunting lake resort
  12/18/25
rocket boys is 180
drunken theater stage laser beams
  12/18/25
Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo
haunting lake resort
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drunken theater stage laser beams
  12/19/25
weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party...
bateful very tactful circlehead
  12/22/25
CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" thos...
spectacular nursing home generalized bond
  12/18/25
he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that&rsq...
henna tanning salon
  12/18/25
The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)
aromatic striped hyena fat ankles
  12/18/25
ty for the recs, this is helpful i just asked him what bo...
henna tanning salon
  12/18/25
Waste of time unless he's secretly 30+ years old and has rea...
Bronze disgusting institution
  12/18/25
seconding count of monte cristo three musketeers is also ...
Chocolate cuck site
  12/18/25
JackTales 🤡😳
unholy excitant heaven
  12/18/25
those are for reading out loud , clown
haunting lake resort
  12/18/25
The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton https://www.amazon...
Cowardly Selfie Rigpig
  12/18/25
Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz) We Were Soldiers Once… And...
Dark Thriller Main People Gunner
  12/18/25
are you seriously recommending a book on manhood written by ...
Misunderstood den
  12/18/25
I’m not even sure which author you’re talking ab...
Dark Thriller Main People Gunner
  12/18/25
lol
Misunderstood den
  12/18/25
he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers &qu...
white underhanded double fault state
  12/21/25
Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000
drunken theater stage laser beams
  12/18/25
No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a bet...
Dark Thriller Main People Gunner
  12/18/25
James Bond novels Conan (only read the flemming and howard...
harsh azure station travel guidebook
  12/18/25
The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.
burgundy idea he suggested
  12/18/25
Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 ...
harsh azure station travel guidebook
  12/18/25
Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new boo...
burgundy idea he suggested
  12/18/25
1. Goldfinger 2. Moonraker 3. Casino Royale 4. From Russ...
harsh azure station travel guidebook
  12/19/25
tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I th...
burgundy idea he suggested
  12/21/25
cr
drunken theater stage laser beams
  12/18/25
Anabasis
House-broken Olive Sneaky Criminal
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Misunderstood den
  12/18/25
Flowers for Algernon
vigorous chestnut shrine wrinkle
  12/18/25
The Lessons of History - Will & Ariel Durant Man's Sear...
Misunderstood den
  12/18/25
a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it...
puce provocative office organic girlfriend
  12/18/25
Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in ...
cruel-hearted lilac home
  12/18/25
Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?) Zen and the Art of Motorc...
Bright Soul-stirring Newt Library
  12/18/25
> Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance lol
Misunderstood den
  12/18/25
read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class i...
henna tanning salon
  12/18/25
zorba the greek
drunken theater stage laser beams
  12/18/25
...
Dark Thriller Main People Gunner
  12/18/25
Several good recs already upthread. Some others: The Thin...
spectacular nursing home generalized bond
  12/18/25
Cr. list I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit ov...
Dark Thriller Main People Gunner
  12/18/25
The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorit...
histrionic red potus
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spectacular nursing home generalized bond
  12/18/25
agree with the first sentence and rec. need to exercise cau...
white underhanded double fault state
  12/22/25
Watership Down A Day No Pigs Would Die 2nd Where the R...
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Starship Troopers Enders Game Johnny Tremain Childhoods E...
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A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES
Razzmatazz depressive
  12/19/25
Neon Bible better rec for younger kid
House-broken Olive Sneaky Criminal
  12/19/25
abridged edgar allen poe short stories
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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:03 PM
Author: henna tanning salon

any books you read or wish you had read in high school? looking for something that would be motivating / tools for life genre

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519424)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:15 PM
Author: Mind-boggling stubborn sanctuary clown

I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderson (Broken Sword, Three Hearts and Three Lions) Fritz Lieber (Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser) etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519444)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:19 PM
Author: sooty dilemma useless brakes

https://www.ebay.com/itm/276841789712?

Reasonable price, free shipping.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519452)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: elite casino place of business



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:35 AM
Author: Razzmatazz depressive

"There's a trip to the farmers market and time for toys and crayons, a bubble bath, and lots of love."

-- School Library Journal

"Will undoubtedly be scooped up by families seeking queer representation in board books."

-- Kirkus

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49521596)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:42 AM
Author: Razzmatazz depressive

this is now forever in my search history

I want you dead, Malk Poo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49521719)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: Indigo Bawdyhouse Philosopher-king

mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519459)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:22 PM
Author: burgundy idea he suggested

A few offhand:

-On the Shortness of Life - Seneca

-Starship Troopers (the book is much better and more serious than the movie)

-Bonfire of the Vanities

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519460)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:10 AM
Author: Razzmatazz depressive

https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922329&mc=32&forum_id=2#35633765

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49521571)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 9:32 AM
Author: bateful very tactful circlehead

or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of his vanities

toughens him up a bit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49522050)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:23 PM
Author: Lascivious ocher factory reset button

The Illustrated Man

Odyssey

The International Jew

1984

Meditations

The Myth of Sisyphus

Hamlet

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519465)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:27 PM
Author: Scarlet cruise ship

Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519476)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: henna tanning salon

i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer reading assignments



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519493)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:34 PM
Author: Scarlet cruise ship

Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Celestine Prophecy, Lord of the Flies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519513)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: henna tanning salon

they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your other recs, ty!

he just finished peak, so hatchet is a good one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519523)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:45 PM
Author: Scarlet cruise ship

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519559)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:01 PM
Author: haunting lake resort

The eyes and the impossible

sourdough

heart of samurai

artemis

rocket boys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519953)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:13 PM
Author: drunken theater stage laser beams

rocket boys is 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49520282)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:18 PM
Author: haunting lake resort

Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49521280)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:34 AM
Author: drunken theater stage laser beams



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49521595)



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 10:54 AM
Author: bateful very tactful circlehead

weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party scene at my rural West Virginia high school

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49530601)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:54 PM
Author: spectacular nursing home generalized bond

CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" those by HS, especially later in HS?

My 7 year old just read--and really enjoyed--Hatchet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519755)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:00 PM
Author: henna tanning salon

he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that’s more his reading level

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519767)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:28 PM
Author: aromatic striped hyena fat ankles

The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519483)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: henna tanning salon

ty for the recs, this is helpful

i just asked him what book he’s reading (we’re on a flight) and its war and peace

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519489)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:24 PM
Author: Bronze disgusting institution

Waste of time unless he's secretly 30+ years old and has read tons of other Russian lit and has a solid grounding in religion and philosophy.

Count of Monte Cristo is a goat novel that is also accessible and really exciting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519679)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:29 PM
Author: Chocolate cuck site

seconding count of monte cristo

three musketeers is also great and vastly superior to any adaptation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519686)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: unholy excitant heaven

JackTales 🤡😳

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519490)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:02 PM
Author: haunting lake resort

those are for reading out loud , clown



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519956)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: Cowardly Selfie Rigpig

The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton

https://www.amazon.com/Boy-Pink-Hair-Perez-Hilton/dp/0451234200

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519492)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:32 PM
Author: Dark Thriller Main People Gunner

Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz)

We Were Soldiers Once… And Young (Moore & Galloway)

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage (Lansing)

The Way of Men (Donovan)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519502)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:35 PM
Author: Misunderstood den

are you seriously recommending a book on manhood written by a homo?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519701)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:45 PM
Author: Dark Thriller Main People Gunner

I’m not even sure which author you’re talking about, though I’m 99.99% sure that it’s not Moore or Galloway

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519724)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:41 PM
Author: Misunderstood den

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519873)



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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:48 PM
Author: white underhanded double fault state

he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers "androphile," a term he uses to describe romance and sex between masculine men

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Donovan

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49528627)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:46 PM
Author: drunken theater stage laser beams

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519898)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:28 PM
Author: Dark Thriller Main People Gunner

No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a better idea of what it means to be a man and to experience the thrill, the triumph, of surviving impossible odds. Leadership, loyalty, discipline. And then they get home and are like, fuck it, sign me up for WWI’s trenches

My middle son needed a bit of coaching on perseverance, so we read this together and then did a HARD AS FUCK mountain bike camping trip in western NC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49520739)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:33 PM
Author: harsh azure station travel guidebook

James Bond novels

Conan (only read the flemming and howard originals though)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519505)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:39 PM
Author: burgundy idea he suggested

The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519535)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:51 PM
Author: harsh azure station travel guidebook

Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 or so) in a summer. all were 180. I tried reading the non-flemming but its not the same. They don't write novels like that anymore.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519587)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:50 PM
Author: burgundy idea he suggested

Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new books to read.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519744)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 10:06 AM
Author: harsh azure station travel guidebook

1. Goldfinger

2. Moonraker

3. Casino Royale

4. From Russia With Love

5. On Her Majesty's Secret Service

the order changes based on mood but these five are in a tier above.

the rest are all solid. for example, Diamonds are Forever is my least favorite and that is still leagues better than any modern espionage novel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49522101)



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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:44 PM
Author: burgundy idea he suggested

tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I think.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49528612)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:46 PM
Author: drunken theater stage laser beams

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519729)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:42 PM
Author: House-broken Olive Sneaky Criminal

Anabasis

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519542)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: Misunderstood den



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519572)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:43 PM
Author: vigorous chestnut shrine wrinkle

Flowers for Algernon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519548)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: Misunderstood den

The Lessons of History - Will & Ariel Durant

Man's Search for Meaning - Viktor Frankl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519568)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:55 PM
Author: puce provocative office organic girlfriend

a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it. great series for boys who like knights, politics, and violence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519602)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:30 PM
Author: cruel-hearted lilac home

Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in the series

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519689)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:36 PM
Author: Bright Soul-stirring Newt Library

Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?)

Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

Dune

anything recent by Lawrence Millman

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519705)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:37 PM
Author: Misunderstood den

> Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519706)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:01 PM
Author: henna tanning salon

read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class in hs. book was so so but class was 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519770)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:38 PM
Author: drunken theater stage laser beams

zorba the greek



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519710)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:49 PM
Author: Dark Thriller Main People Gunner



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519736)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:53 PM
Author: spectacular nursing home generalized bond

Several good recs already upthread. Some others:

The Things They Carried

Mark Twain--starting with Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn

1984

The Lord of the Rings Trilogy (and throw in The Hobbit)

Infinite Jest

Moby Dick

Blood Meridian

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49519751)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:30 PM
Author: Dark Thriller Main People Gunner

Cr. list

I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit overexposed to the hopelessly feminized librarian space for a time and was looked down upon as kind of trite. But it’s 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49520745)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:55 PM
Author: histrionic red potus

The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorite. You shouldn't look down on librarian recs. This is all they do

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49520815)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:12 PM
Author: spectacular nursing home generalized bond



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 11:44 AM
Author: white underhanded double fault state

agree with the first sentence and rec. need to exercise caution with the second and third sentences just given that the values may not be stoic masculine warrior

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49530736)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:09 PM
Author: galvanic aggressive kitchen

Watership Down

A Day No Pigs Would Die

2nd Where the Red Fern Grows

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49520246)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:33 PM
Author: Gay dog poop



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49520756)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:40 PM
Author: exciting antidepressant drug

Starship Troopers

Enders Game

Johnny Tremain

Childhoods End

Rama



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49520778)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:16 AM
Author: Razzmatazz depressive

A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49521578)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:11 AM
Author: House-broken Olive Sneaky Criminal

Neon Bible better rec for younger kid

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2,#49521698)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:23 AM
Author: Frisky Walnut Jewess Blood Rage

abridged edgar allen poe short stories

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