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What net worth is the minimum to be rich?

XO bros, at what net worth would you decide, I'm rich? What...
henna unhinged antidepressant drug
  03/28/26
$1,000,000 a day or GET THE FUCK
At-the-ready psychic
  03/28/26
(Brewster's Millions)
Disturbing Razzmatazz Shrine
  03/28/26
if someone gave me $163,000, I'd be LAUGHING all the way to ...
Wonderful unholy voyeur
  03/28/26
this is exactly how much cash i have and im a miserable lose...
comical iridescent house
  03/28/26
mcdonalds workers have that much cash
Cracking topaz rigor gunner
  03/28/26
no they dont
comical iridescent house
  03/28/26
...
henna unhinged antidepressant drug
  03/28/26
imo 550k/yr is "rich" (not HHI, HHI is a measureme...
Cracking topaz rigor gunner
  03/28/26
...
henna unhinged antidepressant drug
  03/28/26
can you rape a bunch of kids on an island and the POTUS goes...
Heady field jew
  03/28/26
these guys get up and go to work every day you're watchin...
At-the-ready psychic
  03/28/26
Probably NW of 5-6 million is low key rich
Exciting Orchestra Pit
  03/28/26
nope im there its poor u have enough to not worry b...
Cracking topaz rigor gunner
  03/28/26
TCR. It basically means you don’t worry about a job lo...
aggressive self-centered national
  03/28/26
Not enough to do everything you want if you have kids.
Chocolate useless principal's office mental disorder
  03/28/26
I think a NW of $2 mm or an income of $400,000 is "rich...
Fragrant garrison
  03/28/26
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Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle
  03/30/26
You’re rich when you have everything you want, not fla...
thriller cheese-eating stage sex offender
  03/28/26
when i was 19 i was making $2/hr as a waiter and was getting...
Cracking topaz rigor gunner
  03/28/26
...
comical iridescent house
  03/28/26
...
Heady field jew
  03/28/26
...
Disturbing Razzmatazz Shrine
  03/28/26
...
Hideous pea-brained marketing idea parlor
  03/28/26
...
Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle
  03/30/26
$50mm liquid net worth is the absolute minimum
stimulating indirect expression
  03/28/26
$5 million for me
Pale High-end Gaping School
  03/28/26
~$20M.
abusive chapel athletic conference
  03/28/26
$30M NW to have a nice house in a desirable location, afford...
Chocolate useless principal's office mental disorder
  03/28/26
Can I retire in a low COL area with 10 million?
henna unhinged antidepressant drug
  03/28/26
I'm going to say $10 million. My current net worth is about ...
marvelous crystalline heaven twinkling uncleanness
  03/28/26
nw $10m is a nice house, nice 2nd house, nice cars, an expen...
amethyst arousing hall wagecucks
  03/29/26
LJL at being able to afford multiple houses and an expensive...
marvelous crystalline heaven twinkling uncleanness
  03/29/26
show your math
amethyst arousing hall wagecucks
  03/29/26
$500k per year is about $250k after taxes. Let's call it $20...
.,.,,...,...,..,....,...,...,...
  03/30/26
we are considering people whose net worth is already $10m, n...
sealclubber
  03/30/26
The point is that a $10M net worth translates into about $50...
.,.,,...,...,..,....,...,...,...
  03/30/26
theres a huge difference between having bought a "2mm d...
Waingro
  03/30/26
25mm i would say. you can pretend at like 10mm if youre smar...
Insecure ultramarine spot multi-billionaire
  03/29/26
$5 million excluding residence.
Appetizing rehab gay wizard
  03/29/26
Hey guys can I hang in this thread 😎
slap-happy fat ankles ceo
  03/29/26
Rich is the ability to support an extravagant lifestyle with...
razzle-dazzle spruce point
  03/29/26
It depends on your COL. People like TommyT and other expats ...
glittery old irish cottage
  03/29/26
Thanks to Trump's Iran shit I inshallah will get to $1.5m th...
Beady-eyed Sticky Candlestick Maker
  03/29/26
Just move to a Third World shithole, have no friends or fami...
marvelous crystalline heaven twinkling uncleanness
  03/29/26
Correct
Beady-eyed Sticky Candlestick Maker
  03/29/26
...
dashing jade space
  03/29/26
We are down $272,000 in the last two months. I don't know wh...
bearded crusty pit crotch
  03/29/26
U shld have bought SOXS, inverese of SOXL. It nullifies my l...
Beady-eyed Sticky Candlestick Maker
  03/29/26
What does this have to do with my thread?
henna unhinged antidepressant drug
  03/29/26
Jfc the number has been going up for like 16 years now
Stirring flickering tanning salon elastic band
  03/29/26
I don’t have much, but I also don’t want to have...
bearded crusty pit crotch
  03/29/26
3M is rich. 20M is wealthy. 100M is fuck you money.
Stirring flickering tanning salon elastic band
  03/29/26
at 3MM u still have to clock in every day not rich
Cracking topaz rigor gunner
  03/29/26
These are relative terms. The average guy on the street has ...
Stirring flickering tanning salon elastic band
  03/29/26
at 40 ur kids are all like 12-15
Cracking topaz rigor gunner
  03/29/26
this stuff is all bs cope.
Waingro
  03/30/26
"3M invested plus a paid off house" is a lot diffe...
richard clock
  03/30/26
tcr, fellow member of 3m club
Paralegal Marandi
  03/30/26
...
richard clock
  03/30/26
ljl 3m u can go move somewhere by the beach in "third w...
AZNgirl in southern Iran searching for Handsome
  03/30/26
Yeah, I'm expecting to be at about $2.5 to $3 million when I...
Fucking Fuckface
  03/30/26
on average, $5mill would provide a comfortable existence
""''"'"'"'".
  03/30/26
The “inheritance tax” kicks in at like $15m. If ...
cowgod
  03/30/26


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Date: March 28th, 2026 7:22 PM
Author: henna unhinged antidepressant drug

XO bros, at what net worth would you decide, I'm rich? Whatever that might mean to you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49777337)



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Date: March 28th, 2026 7:22 PM
Author: At-the-ready psychic

$1,000,000 a day or GET THE FUCK

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49777339)



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Date: March 28th, 2026 8:55 PM
Author: Disturbing Razzmatazz Shrine

(Brewster's Millions)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49777474)



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Date: March 28th, 2026 7:24 PM
Author: Wonderful unholy voyeur

if someone gave me $163,000, I'd be LAUGHING all the way to the bank to deposit it and let it earn interest at 3.2% until im 75 or so

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49777342)



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Date: March 28th, 2026 8:58 PM
Author: comical iridescent house

this is exactly how much cash i have and im a miserable loser

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49777479)



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Date: March 28th, 2026 9:05 PM
Author: Cracking topaz rigor gunner

mcdonalds workers have that much cash

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49777502)



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Date: March 28th, 2026 9:07 PM
Author: comical iridescent house

no they dont

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49777505)



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Date: March 28th, 2026 7:41 PM
Author: henna unhinged antidepressant drug



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49777360)



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Date: March 28th, 2026 7:44 PM
Author: Cracking topaz rigor gunner

imo 550k/yr is "rich" (not HHI, HHI is a measurement for women)

10MM is rich

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49777366)



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Date: March 28th, 2026 8:32 PM
Author: henna unhinged antidepressant drug



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49777445)



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Date: March 28th, 2026 7:48 PM
Author: Heady field jew

can you rape a bunch of kids on an island and the POTUS goes on TV to lie about it for you?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49777376)



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Date: March 28th, 2026 7:51 PM
Author: At-the-ready psychic

these guys get up and go to work every day

you're watching a bunch of actors pretending to be rich

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49777381)



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Date: March 28th, 2026 8:52 PM
Author: Exciting Orchestra Pit

Probably NW of 5-6 million is low key rich

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49777469)



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Date: March 28th, 2026 9:02 PM
Author: Cracking topaz rigor gunner

nope

im there

its poor

u have enough to not worry but you cant do anything with it

everything is crazy expensive now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49777489)



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Date: March 28th, 2026 10:24 PM
Author: aggressive self-centered national

TCR. It basically means you don’t worry about a job loss and starving but you can’t do anything cool.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49777672)



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Date: March 28th, 2026 10:22 PM
Author: Chocolate useless principal's office mental disorder

Not enough to do everything you want if you have kids.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49777666)



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Date: March 28th, 2026 8:57 PM
Author: Fragrant garrison

I think a NW of $2 mm or an income of $400,000 is "rich" in the sense that you can live a normal, nice life and never really worry about money.

NW of $5 mm or income of $1 mm you're rich in that you can live a luxurious life and not worry about money.

NW of $15 mm or income of $3 mm is what you need to start spending money stupidly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49777476)



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Date: March 30th, 2026 12:46 PM
Author: Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle (πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ πŸ‡΅πŸ‡±)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49780682)



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Date: March 28th, 2026 9:00 PM
Author: thriller cheese-eating stage sex offender

You’re rich when you have everything you want, not flame

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49777484)



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Date: March 28th, 2026 9:02 PM
Author: Cracking topaz rigor gunner

when i was 19 i was making $2/hr as a waiter and was getting girls numbers every single weekend while working

dont think i ever was happier

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49777492)



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Date: March 28th, 2026 9:04 PM
Author: comical iridescent house



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49777498)



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Date: March 28th, 2026 9:17 PM
Author: Heady field jew



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49777534)



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Date: March 28th, 2026 10:19 PM
Author: Disturbing Razzmatazz Shrine



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49777658)



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Date: March 28th, 2026 10:20 PM
Author: Hideous pea-brained marketing idea parlor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49777661)



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Date: March 30th, 2026 1:56 PM
Author: Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle (πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ πŸ‡΅πŸ‡±)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49780908)



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Date: March 28th, 2026 9:09 PM
Author: stimulating indirect expression

$50mm liquid net worth is the absolute minimum

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49777511)



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Date: March 28th, 2026 9:44 PM
Author: Pale High-end Gaping School

$5 million for me

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49777590)



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Date: March 28th, 2026 10:09 PM
Author: abusive chapel athletic conference

~$20M.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49777639)



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Date: March 28th, 2026 10:21 PM
Author: Chocolate useless principal's office mental disorder

$30M NW to have a nice house in a desirable location, afford upkeep on the house, send 3-4 kids to good private schools, pay for college for all of them, take nice vacations, and pay for catastrophic health events if they occur. Less than that and you're still stressing about income to pay for all of it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49777663)



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Date: March 28th, 2026 11:15 PM
Author: henna unhinged antidepressant drug

Can I retire in a low COL area with 10 million?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49777782)



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Date: March 28th, 2026 11:37 PM
Author: marvelous crystalline heaven twinkling uncleanness

I'm going to say $10 million. My current net worth is about $2.5M, and I feel like I am barely keeping my head above water. I'd need at least $10M before I felt like I could splurge on luxuries rather than stressing about bills every month.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49777800)



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Date: March 29th, 2026 11:58 AM
Author: amethyst arousing hall wagecucks

nw $10m is a nice house, nice 2nd house, nice cars, an expensive collector car, and $5m for everything else

$10m is rich almost anywhere, although you might have to lose the 2nd house above if you live in some expensive col places

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49778274)



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Date: March 29th, 2026 12:14 PM
Author: marvelous crystalline heaven twinkling uncleanness

LJL at being able to afford multiple houses and an expensive collector car at $10M. A net worth of $10M will generate passive income of about $500k per year in a 60/40 or comparable portfolio. Once you factor in taxes, that's barely enough to afford a house in a high COL area, much less two. I feel like $10M is the minimum to be able to afford a decent house in a high COL area and be able to take a couple vacations per year without sacrificing your future.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49778301)



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Date: March 29th, 2026 3:23 PM
Author: amethyst arousing hall wagecucks

show your math

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49778621)



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Date: March 30th, 2026 12:43 PM
Author: .,.,,...,...,..,....,...,...,...


$500k per year is about $250k after taxes. Let's call it $20k per month to keep the math easy. Mortgage lenders usually don't want you to spend more than 28% of your income on housing. Usually the absolute most that they will approve is 40%. That means you have about $8,000 per month for housing. If you try to buy a million dollar home, your PITI will run close to $8,000 monthly if you are in a state with normal property taxes. And you won't get a very good house for a million in most HCOL areas. So, $10M might make you rich in Iowa, but it's not very rich for cities where people actually want to live.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49780675)



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Date: March 30th, 2026 4:28 PM
Author: sealclubber

we are considering people whose net worth is already $10m, not people making $500k worth ?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49781323)



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Date: March 30th, 2026 8:58 PM
Author: .,.,,...,...,..,....,...,...,...


The point is that a $10M net worth translates into about $500k of passive income annually. It's not enough to quite wagecucking if you live in a HCOL area.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49781859)



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Date: March 30th, 2026 1:25 PM
Author: Waingro

theres a huge difference between having bought a "2mm dollar house" twenty years ago for 400k and refinanced at 2.8% vs buying one now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49780806)



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Date: March 29th, 2026 11:46 AM
Author: Insecure ultramarine spot multi-billionaire

25mm i would say. you can pretend at like 10mm if youre smart with money.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49778259)



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Date: March 29th, 2026 11:57 AM
Author: Appetizing rehab gay wizard

$5 million excluding residence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49778273)



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Date: March 29th, 2026 11:58 AM
Author: slap-happy fat ankles ceo

Hey guys can I hang in this thread 😎

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49778275)



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Date: March 29th, 2026 12:00 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle spruce point

Rich is the ability to support an extravagant lifestyle without working, where extravagant is defined by the society in which you live.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49778279)



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Date: March 29th, 2026 12:03 PM
Author: glittery old irish cottage

It depends on your COL. People like TommyT and other expats who move to SEA countries can live like kings with around $1M, and then you have people like OYT who live in the Tri-State area...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49778281)



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Date: March 29th, 2026 12:12 PM
Author: Beady-eyed Sticky Candlestick Maker

Thanks to Trump's Iran shit I inshallah will get to $1.5m this year, that is really furk u NW but $2m is the point where it's prob max, like if u had 5m vs 2m ur life wldnt be that diff.

Trump shld keep furking shit up maybe I can get to 2m within a year.

But anyway, u goys will never get it. U can control ur expenses, u dont have to life in shithole USa, u can live nice almost anywhere nowadays even in furking Kenya I saw a five star huge grocery store better than any shit ive ever seen in US. In Nepal I have a $27 airbnb that is absolutely 180, brand new and feels lux

So its not just NW, its becoming location independent but the jews dont want u to do that, and u are good goys so continuepaying ur joo mortgage and taxes so israel has the iron dome. GOOD GOYS

THANKS BIRDSHITS



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49778296)



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Date: March 29th, 2026 12:16 PM
Author: marvelous crystalline heaven twinkling uncleanness

Just move to a Third World shithole, have no friends or family, and do nothing other than drink cheap beer and poast all day. Sounds 180.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49778305)



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Date: March 29th, 2026 2:14 PM
Author: Beady-eyed Sticky Candlestick Maker

Correct

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49778494)



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Date: March 29th, 2026 8:02 PM
Author: dashing jade space



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49779132)



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Date: March 29th, 2026 12:19 PM
Author: bearded crusty pit crotch

We are down $272,000 in the last two months. I don't know what I am doing wrong. But it seems like I work and work and work and the number doesn't even go up anymore. Everything is fucking broken in my brain. When the number on the screens becomes disconnected from the numbers you get from your slave wagecuck job, everything goes sideways.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49778308)



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Date: March 29th, 2026 2:14 PM
Author: Beady-eyed Sticky Candlestick Maker

U shld have bought SOXS, inverese of SOXL. It nullifies my losses. Im still abt same NW despite QQQ down over 10%

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49778496)



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Date: March 29th, 2026 7:48 PM
Author: henna unhinged antidepressant drug

What does this have to do with my thread?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49779107)



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Date: March 29th, 2026 7:56 PM
Author: Stirring flickering tanning salon elastic band

Jfc the number has been going up for like 16 years now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49779127)



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Date: March 29th, 2026 3:29 PM
Author: bearded crusty pit crotch

I don’t have much, but I also don’t want to have many luxuries. I feel like if I could get my mortgage paid off and my house fixed up I would feel pretty rich at this point. Let’s say a million more.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49778628)



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Date: March 29th, 2026 7:53 PM
Author: Stirring flickering tanning salon elastic band

3M is rich. 20M is wealthy. 100M is fuck you money.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49779117)



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Date: March 29th, 2026 7:54 PM
Author: Cracking topaz rigor gunner

at 3MM u still have to clock in every day

not rich

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49779120)



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Date: March 29th, 2026 8:00 PM
Author: Stirring flickering tanning salon elastic band

These are relative terms. The average guy on the street has 300 dollars in his account. The average 40 year old has negative net worth.

If you have 3m invested plus a paid off house you are only working for lifestyle, not for need.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49779129)



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Date: March 29th, 2026 8:02 PM
Author: Cracking topaz rigor gunner

at 40 ur kids are all like 12-15

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49779131)



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Date: March 30th, 2026 12:44 PM
Author: Waingro

this stuff is all bs cope.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49780680)



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Date: March 30th, 2026 1:26 PM
Author: richard clock

"3M invested plus a paid off house" is a lot different than "3M"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49780815)



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Date: March 30th, 2026 1:26 PM
Author: Paralegal Marandi (Death, death to the IDF!)

tcr, fellow member of 3m club

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49780818)



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Date: March 30th, 2026 1:32 PM
Author: richard clock



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49780841)



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Date: March 30th, 2026 1:12 PM
Author: AZNgirl in southern Iran searching for Handsome

ljl 3m u can go move somewhere by the beach in "third world" and never worry abt money again

furk ur kids, u can home school them or hire some filipina sexslave for $200 a month to teach them how to be a retarded HELLOSIR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49780769)



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Date: March 30th, 2026 5:05 PM
Author: Fucking Fuckface

Yeah, I'm expecting to be at about $2.5 to $3 million when I shut it down (I don't include 401k or house).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5851042&forum_id=2,#49781393)



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Date: March 30th, 2026 1:16 PM
Author: ""''"'"'"'".

on average, $5mill would provide a comfortable existence

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Date: March 30th, 2026 5:20 PM
Author: cowgod

The “inheritance tax” kicks in at like $15m. If a Janitor invested 100k in the s&p500 in 1980 and reinvested dividends he’d have Iike $15m now. So I think $15m is the number.

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