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Question about European feudalism.

Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have m...
Big Chocolate Yarmulke
  06/14/13
just walk outside bro
Garnet old irish cottage
  05/29/25
(and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient)
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Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the la...
sadistic impertinent ape
  05/29/25
Yes, it was terrible, it was the first form of mass-egalitar...
cheese-eating dilemma pistol
  05/29/25
(ignores every other form of mass-agriculture that preceded ...
sadistic impertinent ape
  05/29/25
They were better because you had different tribal clans owni...
cheese-eating dilemma pistol
  05/29/25
read the history of the early hydrological civilizations of ...
sadistic impertinent ape
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Better to be a serf under a Warrior Clique (blessed by the P...
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Idiotic misunderstood circlehead
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what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get?
duck-like box office
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cq
Cerebral coffee pot
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I'd say that like slavery it probably depends on a lot on ju...
fantasy-prone church building
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teen black death survivors were the original Boomers
Bipolar meetinghouse party of the first part
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i wish i could have sworn fealty to an employer like a serf ...
avocado stag film prole
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Serfs had tons of time off & feast days. It wasn't as ba...
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really depended on the country, the region, and the lord re...
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Date: June 14th, 2013 10:27 AM
Author: Big Chocolate Yarmulke

Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have most societies historically been based on similar systems?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#23393887)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:29 AM
Author: Garnet old irish cottage

just walk outside bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#48969812)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:30 AM
Author: Garnet old irish cottage

(and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#48969813)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:24 PM
Author: Garnet old irish cottage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#48985020)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:55 PM
Author: Garnet old irish cottage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#48997575)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:14 PM
Author: Garnet old irish cottage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#49064860)



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Date: July 3rd, 2025 8:14 PM
Author: Garnet old irish cottage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#49070377)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 8:32 PM
Author: Garnet old irish cottage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#49077411)



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Date: July 8th, 2025 10:20 PM
Author: Garnet old irish cottage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#49084518)



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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:52 PM
Author: Garnet old irish cottage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#49098591)



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Date: July 14th, 2025 5:12 PM
Author: Garnet old irish cottage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#49101058)



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Date: July 16th, 2025 3:43 AM
Author: Garnet old irish cottage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#49105012)



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Date: July 20th, 2025 8:00 PM
Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#49117359)



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Date: July 24th, 2025 5:37 PM
Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#49128622)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:47 AM
Author: sadistic impertinent ape

Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the last 5k years relegated the vast majority of their agricultural labor force /population to a state of semi-slavery enforced by an exploitative elite with a monopoly on violence?

yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#48969854)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:51 AM
Author: cheese-eating dilemma pistol

Yes, it was terrible, it was the first form of mass-egalitarianism. All the old Tribal Clans were abolished & people were turned into landless serfs, the only exceptions were the Elite Warlord Clans that got to rule as Lords/Kings.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#48969860)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:55 AM
Author: sadistic impertinent ape

(ignores every other form of mass-agriculture that preceded it)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#48969863)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 7:47 AM
Author: cheese-eating dilemma pistol

They were better because you had different tribal clans owning different regions, serfdom was a form of quasi-slavery, only the Kings/Lords had property rights.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#48969954)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: sadistic impertinent ape

read the history of the early hydrological civilizations of egypt, mesopotamia, the indus and the yellow river valleys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#48971066)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 11:58 PM
Author: Bipolar meetinghouse party of the first part

Better to be a serf under a Warrior Clique (blessed by the Priestly Clique) than a humiliated cog of the Merchant Clique imho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#49065184)



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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:53 PM
Author: lake fragrant whorehouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#49098592)



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Date: July 13th, 2025 7:03 PM
Author: Idiotic misunderstood circlehead



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#49098608)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:52 AM
Author: duck-like box office

what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#48970037)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:54 AM
Author: Cerebral coffee pot

cq

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#48970041)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:32 PM
Author: fantasy-prone church building

I'd say that like slavery it probably depends on a lot on just where you are, so not singularly shitty just situation dependent

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#48985033)



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Date: July 2nd, 2025 12:06 AM
Author: Bipolar meetinghouse party of the first part

teen black death survivors were the original Boomers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#49065206)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 6:07 PM
Author: avocado stag film prole

i wish i could have sworn fealty to an employer like a serf to a feudal lord when i was younger. would have saved me a lot of pain cycling through shitty short-term jobs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#48997602)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:15 PM
Author: charcoal wonderful trailer park

Serfs had tons of time off & feast days. It wasn't as bad as most people think. They didn't have running water or electricity, but neither did the rulers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#49065026)



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Date: July 16th, 2025 4:01 AM
Author: Khaki queen of the night

really depended on the country, the region, and the lord

removing technology from the equation it could range from far more harmonious than what we have today to utterly hellish. the general trend towards centralization of power from the early middle ages and on and the rise of the professional state theoretically ensures a general better standard of living for a subject on average, or at the very least a set "floor" for QoL, but ends up removing a lot to do with the nuances of power relations and enduring senses of community in the process

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#49105022)