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Int'l Law hypo: Iran closes Strait of Hormuz..

U.S. responds w/ military force. OK under intl law?
trip rebellious library
  02/25/12
What is an international law bro? Sounds like flame to me br...
sepia foreskin
  02/25/12
def. flame. pretend article 38 of ICJ means something for a ...
trip rebellious library
  02/25/12
Article 2 of the UN Charter: All members shall refrain in...
Floppy Slippery Telephone Dysfunction
  02/25/12
Carter Doctrine says fuck off to the applicability of this a...
trip rebellious library
  02/25/12
Also violates Kellog-Briand Pact <-- although this is sof...
mischievous theatre
  02/25/12
couldn't you argue the 2-mile wide shipping lane is internat...
mischievous theatre
  02/25/12
explosive warheads generally cannot be argued against.
Lime Aphrodisiac Mother Athletic Conference
  02/25/12
is the underlying principle here that a territory is interna...
supple lake gaping den
  02/25/12
the strait is actually iranian territorial waters (21 miles ...
Lime Aphrodisiac Mother Athletic Conference
  02/25/12
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_the_seas
Floppy Slippery Telephone Dysfunction
  02/25/12
freedom to hold naval exercises (like randomly firing a few ...
Lime Aphrodisiac Mother Athletic Conference
  02/25/12
...
mischievous theatre
  02/25/12
It's treated like the high seas because it's a strait necess...
Lascivious wine theater milk
  02/25/12
wtf. territorial waters go out 12 miles, not 200
mint adventurous personal credit line
  02/25/12
are you guys this dumb? blockading a country is an act of w...
Zombie-like abusive old irish cottage boistinker
  02/25/12
not to mention the fact that ~20 billion barrels of oil flow...
trip rebellious library
  02/25/12
land based cruise missiles with passive IR seekers trump you...
Lime Aphrodisiac Mother Athletic Conference
  02/25/12
bro, this is a discussion about intl law. Everyone here know...
trip rebellious library
  02/25/12
tbf, *masturbates furiously*
supple lake gaping den
  02/25/12
Wait for Iran to inevitably mine the strait or launch a miss...
mildly autistic knife resort
  02/25/12
hence the iranian push to get nuclear warheads built. yo...
Lime Aphrodisiac Mother Athletic Conference
  02/25/12
lol iran can't crater shit noICBMpwnd
Razzmatazz Saffron State
  02/25/12
lol. even if iran developed nukes, or even if they developed...
Zombie-like abusive old irish cottage boistinker
  02/25/12
THis is why ron paul's foreign policy makes sense ... and wh...
Kink-friendly dopamine
  02/25/12
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Gay of Hormuz
  03/10/26


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Date: February 25th, 2012 7:00 PM
Author: trip rebellious library

U.S. responds w/ military force. OK under intl law?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883233&forum_id=2/#20052778)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 7:01 PM
Author: sepia foreskin

What is an international law bro? Sounds like flame to me brother.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883233&forum_id=2/#20052784)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 7:06 PM
Author: trip rebellious library

def. flame. pretend article 38 of ICJ means something for a moment.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883233&forum_id=2/#20052832)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 7:02 PM
Author: Floppy Slippery Telephone Dysfunction

Article 2 of the UN Charter:

All members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883233&forum_id=2/#20052797)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 7:07 PM
Author: trip rebellious library

Carter Doctrine says fuck off to the applicability of this article.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883233&forum_id=2/#20052845)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 7:11 PM
Author: mischievous theatre

Also violates Kellog-Briand Pact <-- although this is soft law. (not that all intl. law can't be regarded as soft law)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883233&forum_id=2/#20052875)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 9:33 PM
Author: mischievous theatre

couldn't you argue the 2-mile wide shipping lane is international territory given the fact that so much of the world's oil flows through it each day?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883233&forum_id=2/#20054040)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 9:41 PM
Author: Lime Aphrodisiac Mother Athletic Conference

explosive warheads generally cannot be argued against.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883233&forum_id=2/#20054119)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 10:09 PM
Author: supple lake gaping den

is the underlying principle here that a territory is international if a substantial proportion of the world's supply of an important commodity passes through the territory?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883233&forum_id=2/#20054312)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 7:12 PM
Author: Lime Aphrodisiac Mother Athletic Conference

the strait is actually iranian territorial waters (21 miles across, well within the 200 mile water limits) shared jointly with UAE etc as it falls under all the countries territorial waters.

they dont have to close it. all they have to do is say they will randomly fire a few hundred rounds from an artillery cannon with a 15 mile range across the strait every day.

good luck getting insurance for your ships after that.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883233&forum_id=2/#20052883)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 7:13 PM
Author: Floppy Slippery Telephone Dysfunction

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_the_seas

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883233&forum_id=2/#20052895)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 7:15 PM
Author: Lime Aphrodisiac Mother Athletic Conference

freedom to hold naval exercises (like randomly firing a few hundred shells...) is not prohibited by that article mang.

also the high seas are not territorial waters.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883233&forum_id=2/#20052909)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 7:16 PM
Author: mischievous theatre



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883233&forum_id=2/#20052914)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 7:20 PM
Author: Lascivious wine theater milk

It's treated like the high seas because it's a strait necessary for international commercial intercourse.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883233&forum_id=2/#20052947)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 7:51 PM
Author: mint adventurous personal credit line

wtf. territorial waters go out 12 miles, not 200

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883233&forum_id=2/#20053111)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 7:56 PM
Author: Zombie-like abusive old irish cottage boistinker

are you guys this dumb?

blockading a country is an act of war

closing the straights of hormuz is a naval blockade of Kuwait and Iraq, two of our allies.

act of war against our allies may be treated as an act of war against the United States.

the U.S. navy crushes the Iranian Navy and military withing 200 miles of the straits in about 12 hours.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883233&forum_id=2/#20053161)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 8:30 PM
Author: trip rebellious library

not to mention the fact that ~20 billion barrels of oil flow out of it each day. Wouldn't criticality of global commerce trump some vague territorial claims?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883233&forum_id=2/#20053504)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 9:36 PM
Author: Lime Aphrodisiac Mother Athletic Conference

land based cruise missiles with passive IR seekers trump your vague "criticality of global commerce" claims.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883233&forum_id=2/#20054072)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 10:09 PM
Author: trip rebellious library

bro, this is a discussion about intl law. Everyone here knows that intl law lacks an enforcement mechanism and is worthless, not to mention the fact that it has been rendered historically moot by numerous armed conflicts without any reprisal from international bodies. I am simply wondering about which intl. laws would apply in this scenario, not whether or not anyone would give a fuck.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883233&forum_id=2/#20054318)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 10:10 PM
Author: supple lake gaping den

tbf, *masturbates furiously*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883233&forum_id=2/#20054326)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 9:49 PM
Author: mildly autistic knife resort

Wait for Iran to inevitably mine the strait or launch a missile or send out a speedboat-----Article 51 self-defense justification for use of force, bam. Tehran turns into a crater.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883233&forum_id=2/#20054160)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 9:56 PM
Author: Lime Aphrodisiac Mother Athletic Conference

hence the iranian push to get nuclear warheads built.

you crater us, we crater you.

its how MAD works.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883233&forum_id=2/#20054210)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 10:02 PM
Author: Razzmatazz Saffron State

lol iran can't crater shit

noICBMpwnd

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883233&forum_id=2/#20054264)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 10:05 PM
Author: Zombie-like abusive old irish cottage boistinker

lol. even if iran developed nukes, or even if they developed ICBMs, we could utterly wipe them off the face of the map before they knew what hit them.

1. if we launched nukes from subs right off their coasts, there is no way they would detect them soon enough to launch a counterstrike

2. alternatively, we could have black ops smuggle some nukes into the country and detonate them at iran's nuclear silos.

3. or, of course, the united states could just drop some nukes from a B2 bomber

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883233&forum_id=2/#20054287)



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Date: February 25th, 2012 10:16 PM
Author: Kink-friendly dopamine

THis is why ron paul's foreign policy makes sense ... and why the fear mongering re iranian nuclear capability is retarded. Largely about isreal's discomfort with a nuclear armed iran really

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883233&forum_id=2/#20054371)



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Date: March 10th, 2026 3:30 AM
Author: Gay of Hormuz



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1883233&forum_id=2/#49731211)