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Question about European feudalism.

Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have m...
hairless electric space
  06/14/13
just walk outside bro
cheese-eating frozen abode
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(and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient)
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Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the la...
Pink Stage Newt
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Yes, it was terrible, it was the first form of mass-egalitar...
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(ignores every other form of mass-agriculture that preceded ...
Pink Stage Newt
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They were better because you had different tribal clans owni...
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read the history of the early hydrological civilizations of ...
Pink Stage Newt
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Better to be a serf under a Warrior Clique (blessed by the P...
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what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get?
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I'd say that like slavery it probably depends on a lot on ju...
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teen black death survivors were the original Boomers
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i wish i could have sworn fealty to an employer like a serf ...
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Serfs had tons of time off & feast days. It wasn't as ba...
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really depended on the country, the region, and the lord re...
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Date: June 14th, 2013 10:27 AM
Author: hairless electric space

Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have most societies historically been based on similar systems?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#23393887)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:29 AM
Author: cheese-eating frozen abode

just walk outside bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#48969812)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:30 AM
Author: cheese-eating frozen abode

(and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#48969813)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:24 PM
Author: cheese-eating frozen abode



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#48985020)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:55 PM
Author: cheese-eating frozen abode



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#48997575)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:14 PM
Author: cheese-eating frozen abode



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#49064860)



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Date: July 3rd, 2025 8:14 PM
Author: cheese-eating frozen abode



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#49070377)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 8:32 PM
Author: cheese-eating frozen abode



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#49077411)



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Date: July 8th, 2025 10:20 PM
Author: cheese-eating frozen abode



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#49084518)



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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:52 PM
Author: cheese-eating frozen abode



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#49098591)



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Date: July 14th, 2025 5:12 PM
Author: cheese-eating frozen abode



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#49101058)



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Date: July 16th, 2025 3:43 AM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#49105012)



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Date: July 20th, 2025 8:00 PM
Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#49117359)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:47 AM
Author: Pink Stage Newt

Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the last 5k years relegated the vast majority of their agricultural labor force /population to a state of semi-slavery enforced by an exploitative elite with a monopoly on violence?

yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#48969854)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:51 AM
Author: Motley zombie-like personal credit line

Yes, it was terrible, it was the first form of mass-egalitarianism. All the old Tribal Clans were abolished & people were turned into landless serfs, the only exceptions were the Elite Warlord Clans that got to rule as Lords/Kings.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#48969860)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:55 AM
Author: Pink Stage Newt

(ignores every other form of mass-agriculture that preceded it)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#48969863)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 7:47 AM
Author: Motley zombie-like personal credit line

They were better because you had different tribal clans owning different regions, serfdom was a form of quasi-slavery, only the Kings/Lords had property rights.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#48969954)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: Pink Stage Newt

read the history of the early hydrological civilizations of egypt, mesopotamia, the indus and the yellow river valleys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#48971066)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 11:58 PM
Author: Greedy gay wizard private investor

Better to be a serf under a Warrior Clique (blessed by the Priestly Clique) than a humiliated cog of the Merchant Clique imho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#49065184)



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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:53 PM
Author: Startling trip volcanic crater



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#49098592)



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Date: July 13th, 2025 7:03 PM
Author: Flushed Hot Casino Quadroon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#49098608)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:52 AM
Author: Charismatic Wrinkle

what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#48970037)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:54 AM
Author: hideous ruby step-uncle's house

cq

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#48970041)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:32 PM
Author: Out-of-control garnet idiot

I'd say that like slavery it probably depends on a lot on just where you are, so not singularly shitty just situation dependent

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#48985033)



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Date: July 2nd, 2025 12:06 AM
Author: Greedy gay wizard private investor

teen black death survivors were the original Boomers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#49065206)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 6:07 PM
Author: Razzle idea he suggested trailer park

i wish i could have sworn fealty to an employer like a serf to a feudal lord when i was younger. would have saved me a lot of pain cycling through shitty short-term jobs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#48997602)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:15 PM
Author: pearl flirting corn cake

Serfs had tons of time off & feast days. It wasn't as bad as most people think. They didn't have running water or electricity, but neither did the rulers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#49065026)



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Date: July 16th, 2025 4:01 AM
Author: GONE FISHING 7/22

really depended on the country, the region, and the lord

removing technology from the equation it could range from far more harmonious than what we have today to utterly hellish. the general trend towards centralization of power from the early middle ages and on and the rise of the professional state theoretically ensures a general better standard of living for a subject on average, or at the very least a set "floor" for QoL, but ends up removing a lot to do with the nuances of power relations and enduring senses of community in the process

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#49105022)