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is Greg 'The Professor' Maddux the most underrated pitcher of all time?
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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:36 PM Author: Smoky deer antler (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49796394) |
Date: April 5th, 2026 8:38 PM Author: histrionic orchestra pit scourge upon the earth Underrated by whom? He’s revered (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49796396) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:40 PM Author: Smoky deer antler how does he rank all time, is he a top 3? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49796397) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:40 PM Author: Embarrassed to the bone jap He's undoubtedly top 3 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49796399) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:42 PM Author: Smoky deer antler Nolan Ryan?
Randy Johnson? |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:44 PM Author: histrionic orchestra pit scourge upon the earth Nolan Ryan has to be up there. Randy Johnson came to mind too but idk. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49796411) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:46 PM Author: Smoky deer antler honestly probably the hardest position in any sport to name a top 3-5 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49796419) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:50 PM Author: Embarrassed to the bone jap Top 3 of the modern era in no particular order: Maddux Johnson Martinez |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:53 PM Author: Smoky deer antler cr
but does Clemons, Verlander or Kershaw have a shot or are they well outside top 3 |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:55 PM Author: Embarrassed to the bone jap Well outside, but definitely in top 10, even above nolan IMO (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49796436) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:55 PM Author: Smoky deer antler all 3 above above ryan?
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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:59 PM Author: Slimy dun business firm pedro's peak is hard to beat but clemens had a more complete career. however you rank they are both tier 1. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49796451) |
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Date: June 4th, 2026 8:28 AM Author: Judas Jones Clemens had the best career of anyone in that era if we ignore PEDs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49914410) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:41 PM Author: histrionic orchestra pit scourge upon the earth Hard to say but he’s up there for sure (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49796401) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:42 PM Author: Smoky deer antler he's def most high iq though, no? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49796407) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:44 PM Author: histrionic orchestra pit scourge upon the earth Not sure, don’t really follow players’ personal lives, or do you mean high IQ with respect to how he played? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49796409) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:45 PM Author: Smoky deer antler the latter obv
i dont give a fuck if he's foaming at the mouth level dumb irl in his off time as long as hes throwing fucking gems over the mound |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:46 PM Author: histrionic orchestra pit scourge upon the earth Surely the catcher and pitching coach get some credit too. No man is an island (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49796417) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:47 PM Author: Smoky deer antler cr but he made all the calls for the catcher(s) and told bobby and mazzone to get fucked a bunch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49796421) |
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Date: June 4th, 2026 1:01 AM Author: Racist Redneck from Alabama (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49914293) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:57 PM Author: gold crackhouse main people he's appropriately rated (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49796444) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:58 PM Author: geriatric national puppy lol no; Roger Clemens is easily the most underrated pitcher of all time (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49796446) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:58 PM Author: Smoky deer antler Seaver, Carlton, Scherzer, no? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49796448) |
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Date: April 6th, 2026 1:04 PM Author: dull chest-beating corner bbw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49797805) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:27 PM Author: Burgundy Mediation Juggernaut Pedro was better (than anyone). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49796514) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:47 PM Author: gold crackhouse main people (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49796561) |
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Date: April 7th, 2026 7:54 AM Author: Azure travel guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49799608) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:51 PM Author: contagious principal's office nibblets He would get wrecked by the "juiced" ball and guys like Trout and Ohtani
If you swapped some random cy young candidate like Bryan Woo for Maddux, he would crush it in the 90s also |
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Date: June 4th, 2026 6:42 AM Author: the walter white of this generation (walt jr.) Don't drop those BW3s Flamin' Dorito(TM) Hot wings on your crisp new steph curry jersey, cuck. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49914343) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:55 PM Author: sick territorial home Pretty sure most agree he was the greatest SP of his generation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49796577) |
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Date: April 6th, 2026 8:49 AM Author: aphrodisiac candlestick maker lodge he's appropriately rated. great competitor. mentally smarter than other players. perennial gold glove fielder. platonic ideal of "the professor" type who doesn't throw super hard but just outthinks the batter. also insanely low walk rate - nobody - absolutely nobody - had better control (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49797104) |
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Date: April 6th, 2026 1:07 PM Author: Smoky deer antler (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49797818) |
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Date: April 6th, 2026 2:11 PM Author: dull chest-beating corner bbw He threw a 92 mph fastball and everyone remembers him incorrectly for not having any velocity. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49797984) |
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Date: April 6th, 2026 8:36 PM Author: aphrodisiac candlestick maker lodge yeah, is that fast to you? the only starting pitcher post 1960 in the hall of fame that threw softer is tom glavine. only reliever is trevor hoffman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49798932) |
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Date: April 7th, 2026 7:52 AM Author: dull chest-beating corner bbw Yes, 92 mph is fast. Most xo Poasters couldn't competently hit a 92 mph fastball with a year of dedicated training. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49799605) |
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Date: June 4th, 2026 6:44 AM Author: the walter white of this generation (walt jr.) Oh yeah that is the relevant metric when discussing GOAT vs. mere HOF mlb pitching, thanks chung li. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49914344) |
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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:17 AM Author: The depth of human depravity is boundless. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49914271) |
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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:31 AM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, do not google.
there at 10 pitchers with WAR of 100 or greater. name them. |
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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:36 AM Author: The depth of human depravity is boundless. Randy Johnson
Clemmons
Pedro
Ryan
Glavine
Babe Ruth
Scherzer
Seaver
cy Young
Maddux
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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:43 AM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, this career WAR. you got these right.
1. Cy Young+ (22) 165.9 7356.0 R 3. Roger Clemens (24) 138.7 4916.2 R 7. Tom Seaver+ (20) 106.0 4783.0 R 8. Greg Maddux+ (23) 104.8 5008.1 R 9. Randy Johnson+ (22) 103.5 4135.1 L
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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:57 AM Author: tokens in abundance Subject: No Goog Clayton Kershaw
Curt Schilling
Mariano Rivera
Bob Gibson |
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Date: June 4th, 2026 8:33 AM Author: Judas Jones Rivera would have had to pitch for ~40 years to get 100 WAR. Relievers just don't get enough innings. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49914413) |
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Date: June 4th, 2026 8:34 AM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, cr. he's in 80th place for career WAR. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49914415) |
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Date: June 4th, 2026 8:10 AM Author: &c Walter Johnson Christy Mathewson Steve Carlton |
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Date: June 4th, 2026 8:33 AM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Rank Player (yrs, age) WAR for Pitchers IP Throws 1. Cy Young+ (22) 165.9 7356.0 R 2. Walter Johnson+ (21) 155.4 5914.1 R 3. Roger Clemens (24) 138.7 4916.2 R 4. Kid Nichols+ (15) 119.0 5067.1 R 5. Grover Alexander+ (20) 116.9 5190.0 R 6. Lefty Grove+ (17) 113.2 3940.2 L 7. Tom Seaver+ (20) 106.0 4783.0 R 8. Greg Maddux+ (23) 104.8 5008.1 R 9. Randy Johnson+ (22) 103.5 4135.1 L 10. Christy Mathewson+ (17) 100.6 4788.2 R 11. Phil Niekro+ (24) 97.0 5404.0 R |
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Date: June 4th, 2026 3:12 PM Author: &c Tom Seaver and Phil Niekro have more war than Carlton? Would not have guessed that
Never heard of kid nichols |
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Date: June 4th, 2026 5:26 PM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, old timer with most of his appearances in the 1800s. still, "Nichols recorded a 27–19 win–loss record, a 2.23 earned run average (ERA) and 222 strikeouts, beginning a string of 10 consecutive seasons with 20 wins or more. Nichols also had a major league record seven 30-win seasons in this time (1891–1894, 1896–1898) with a career high of 35 in 1892." that'll give you quite a career WAR. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49915788) |
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Date: June 4th, 2026 4:10 PM Author: The depth of human depravity is boundless. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2/#49915541) |