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Question about European feudalism.

Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have m...
burgundy well-lubricated office
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just walk outside bro
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(and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient)
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Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the la...
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(ignores every other form of mass-agriculture that preceded ...
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They were better because you had different tribal clans owni...
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read the history of the early hydrological civilizations of ...
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Better to be a serf under a Warrior Clique (blessed by the P...
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what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get?
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Serfs had tons of time off & feast days. It wasn't as ba...
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  11/11/25
it was a nanny state.
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  11/24/25


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Date: June 14th, 2013 10:27 AM
Author: burgundy well-lubricated office

Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have most societies historically been based on similar systems?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#23393887)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:29 AM
Author: blue brunch mad-dog skullcap

just walk outside bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#48969812)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:30 AM
Author: blue brunch mad-dog skullcap

(and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#48969813)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:24 PM
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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:55 PM
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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:14 PM
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Date: July 6th, 2025 8:32 PM
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Date: July 8th, 2025 10:20 PM
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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:52 PM
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Date: July 14th, 2025 5:12 PM
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Date: July 20th, 2025 8:00 PM
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Date: July 30th, 2025 6:59 PM
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Date: August 4th, 2025 6:52 PM
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Date: August 10th, 2025 8:35 PM
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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:33 PM
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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:57 PM
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Date: November 11th, 2025 11:28 PM
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Date: November 12th, 2025 7:15 PM
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Date: November 12th, 2025 9:29 PM
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Date: November 23rd, 2025 8:51 PM
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Date: November 24th, 2025 12:36 AM
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Date: November 24th, 2025 6:55 PM
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Date: November 24th, 2025 9:29 PM
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Date: November 26th, 2025 12:15 AM
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Date: November 26th, 2025 4:27 PM
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Date: November 26th, 2025 10:41 PM
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Date: November 27th, 2025 5:48 PM
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Date: November 28th, 2025 12:55 AM
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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:47 AM
Author: bearded center sweet tailpipe

Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the last 5k years relegated the vast majority of their agricultural labor force /population to a state of semi-slavery enforced by an exploitative elite with a monopoly on violence?

yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#48969854)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:51 AM
Author: boyish plaza electric furnace

Yes, it was terrible, it was the first form of mass-egalitarianism. All the old Tribal Clans were abolished & people were turned into landless serfs, the only exceptions were the Elite Warlord Clans that got to rule as Lords/Kings.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#48969860)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:55 AM
Author: bearded center sweet tailpipe

(ignores every other form of mass-agriculture that preceded it)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#48969863)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 7:47 AM
Author: boyish plaza electric furnace

They were better because you had different tribal clans owning different regions, serfdom was a form of quasi-slavery, only the Kings/Lords had property rights.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#48969954)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: bearded center sweet tailpipe

read the history of the early hydrological civilizations of egypt, mesopotamia, the indus and the yellow river valleys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#48971066)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 11:58 PM
Author: Chest-beating hell windowlicker

Better to be a serf under a Warrior Clique (blessed by the Priestly Clique) than a humiliated cog of the Merchant Clique imho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#49065184)



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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:53 PM
Author: Exhilarant purple point



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#49098592)



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Date: July 13th, 2025 7:03 PM
Author: Histrionic school cafeteria striped hyena



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#49098608)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:52 AM
Author: Arrogant deranged theater

what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#48970037)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:54 AM
Author: Ruby floppy quadroon

cq

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#48970041)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:32 PM
Author: Unholy emerald tattoo

I'd say that like slavery it probably depends on a lot on just where you are, so not singularly shitty just situation dependent

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#48985033)



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Date: July 2nd, 2025 12:06 AM
Author: Chest-beating hell windowlicker

teen black death survivors were the original Boomers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#49065206)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 6:07 PM
Author: Lascivious shimmering telephone

i wish i could have sworn fealty to an employer like a serf to a feudal lord when i was younger. would have saved me a lot of pain cycling through shitty short-term jobs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#48997602)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:15 PM
Author: Useless Macaca

Serfs had tons of time off & feast days. It wasn't as bad as most people think. They didn't have running water or electricity, but neither did the rulers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#49065026)



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Date: July 16th, 2025 4:01 AM
Author: twinkling aromatic ticket booth generalized bond

really depended on the country, the region, and the lord

removing technology from the equation it could range from far more harmonious than what we have today to utterly hellish. the general trend towards centralization of power from the early middle ages and on and the rise of the professional state theoretically ensures a general better standard of living for a subject on average, or at the very least a set "floor" for QoL, but ends up removing a lot to do with the nuances of power relations and enduring senses of community in the process

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#49105022)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:49 PM
Author: Khaki dashing preventive strike marketing idea

It worked out really well for most folks. Asia had similar systems in place for thousands of years and they were stable societies

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#49421865)



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Date: November 24th, 2025 10:06 PM
Author: barnabyjones

it was a nanny state.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2/#49458174)