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PSA: Jones Day is ranked 15 by Vault and doesn't pay lockstep

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.
aqua soul-stirring garrison
  06/15/18
“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”
thirsty snowy dingle berry incel
  06/15/18
As I understand it.
Cocky Twinkling Market
  06/15/18
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sinister stain goal in life
  06/15/18
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sinister stain goal in life
  02/12/22
they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. th...
Maroon Aggressive Knife Feces
  06/15/18
oh we got a legal expert here
lemon wrinkle water buffalo
  10/06/21
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aqua soul-stirring garrison
  02/12/22
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Coprophilia Johnny
  08/12/25
they have no debt as I understand it
adulterous kitty cat legal warrant
  06/15/18
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sinister stain goal in life
  06/15/18
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Chartreuse theater
  06/15/18
260k is a huge salary
adulterous kitty cat legal warrant
  06/15/18
goes a long way in shaker heights
puce affirmative action ape
  06/15/18
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fragrant rehab
  06/15/18
Cr. Thats city janitor money
sinister stain goal in life
  06/15/18
Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal ...
boyish marketing idea area
  06/15/18
How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 ...
Marvelous Brass Office
  02/12/21
It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your cha...
Odious ungodly national codepig
  06/15/18
they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live ...
Maroon Aggressive Knife Feces
  06/15/18
sounds 180
adulterous kitty cat legal warrant
  06/15/18
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fragrant rehab
  06/15/18
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Chartreuse theater
  06/15/18
https://simpsonsscreenshots.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/myst...
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sinister stain goal in life
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Cocky Twinkling Market
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Chartreuse theater
  06/15/18
https://imgur.com/a/9I8pMf1
Chartreuse theater
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Odious ungodly national codepig
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cheese-eating federal tanning salon
  06/15/18
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Chartreuse theater
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cheese-eating federal tanning salon
  10/06/21
is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 intera...
aqua soul-stirring garrison
  10/06/21
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aqua soul-stirring garrison
  01/18/25
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I hate being a lawyer and want to die
  08/12/25
omg 260k where do they get off
Appetizing idiotic trailer park preventive strike
  06/15/18
For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t ...
aqua soul-stirring garrison
  06/15/18
p depressing news going into the weekend
Zippy bespoke nowag
  06/15/18
Eat my dick nigger lover
aqua soul-stirring garrison
  06/15/18
your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire...
Zippy bespoke nowag
  06/15/18
Explain
aqua soul-stirring garrison
  06/15/18
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aqua soul-stirring garrison
  06/16/18
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aqua soul-stirring garrison
  09/04/18
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cheese-eating federal tanning salon
  06/16/18
yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put...
Seedy house-broken clown masturbator
  06/15/18
To be fair, *Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends
Nighttime Drunken Circlehead
  06/15/18
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aqua soul-stirring garrison
  02/12/21
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supple iridescent pocket flask stag film
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Chartreuse theater
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aqua soul-stirring garrison
  10/14/21
I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.
Fighting Blathering Internal Respiration
  02/12/21
holy shit out the firm
Ruddy Native
  02/12/21
or at least give us vault range. that is really low.
aqua soul-stirring garrison
  02/12/21
Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.
fishy location
  02/12/21
it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression a...
aqua soul-stirring garrison
  02/12/21
That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cr...
fishy location
  02/12/21
i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.
aqua soul-stirring garrison
  02/15/21
They systematically overpay top performers though. If you'r...
underhanded histrionic cruise ship
  02/12/21
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supple iridescent pocket flask stag film
  02/12/21
No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an...
Fighting Blathering Internal Respiration
  02/12/21
Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they ca...
underhanded histrionic cruise ship
  02/12/21
Better partnership odds
Spectacular violent forum
  02/12/21
That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner ...
underhanded histrionic cruise ship
  02/12/21
Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except f...
Spectacular violent forum
  02/12/21
(Stevie Brogan)
Ruddy Native
  02/12/21
lol no
cracking indecent abode
  02/12/21
how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Clevel...
titillating salmon doctorate base
  02/15/21
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aqua soul-stirring garrison
  06/29/21
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aqua soul-stirring garrison
  10/06/21
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180 messiness
  10/06/21
that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.
swashbuckling state
  10/06/21
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aqua soul-stirring garrison
  02/12/22


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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:24 PM
Author: aqua soul-stirring garrison

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/#36252934)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:27 PM
Author: thirsty snowy dingle berry incel

“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/#36252952)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:33 PM
Author: Cocky Twinkling Market

As I understand it.

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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:37 PM
Author: sinister stain goal in life



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:55 AM
Author: sinister stain goal in life



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: Maroon Aggressive Knife Feces

they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. the high ranking is from their NY and DC specialty practices, which didn't arrive until the 80s. they lost their entire DC office when it broke off to form crowell & moring

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/#36252972)



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:10 PM
Author: lemon wrinkle water buffalo

oh we got a legal expert here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/#43231415)



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:41 AM
Author: aqua soul-stirring garrison



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Date: August 12th, 2025 12:15 PM
Author: Coprophilia Johnny ((zurich is stained))



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: adulterous kitty cat legal warrant

they have no debt as I understand it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/#36252979)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:48 PM
Author: sinister stain goal in life



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: Chartreuse theater



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:33 PM
Author: adulterous kitty cat legal warrant

260k is a huge salary

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/#36252984)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: puce affirmative action ape

goes a long way in shaker heights

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/#36252989)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:41 PM
Author: fragrant rehab



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: sinister stain goal in life

Cr. Thats city janitor money

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/#36253068)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: boyish marketing idea area

Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal profession will always have a massive oversupply problem unless major changes are made.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/#36252986)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:14 PM
Author: Marvelous Brass Office

How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 firms are all competing over the same band of graduates and to a lesser extent laterals. There's an oversupply of lawyers in the country but there isn't an oversupply of Class of 2017 Stanford Law graduates willing to do debt financing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/#41935785)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:35 PM
Author: Odious ungodly national codepig

It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your chances of making a career of it v. maximizing your earnings. That's always been my impression, although maybe incorrect.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/#36252995)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: Maroon Aggressive Knife Feces

they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live in the midwest making six figures as basically a career of counsel, it might work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/#36253002)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: adulterous kitty cat legal warrant

sounds 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/#36253004)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:42 PM
Author: fragrant rehab



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:56 PM
Author: Chartreuse theater



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:38 PM
Author: ruby private investor

https://simpsonsscreenshots.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/mysterybox.png

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/#36253012)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: sinister stain goal in life



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:38 PM
Author: Cocky Twinkling Market



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: Chartreuse theater



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:55 PM
Author: Chartreuse theater

https://imgur.com/a/9I8pMf1

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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:59 PM
Author: Odious ungodly national codepig



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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:46 PM
Author: cheese-eating federal tanning salon



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: Chartreuse theater



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:12 PM
Author: cheese-eating federal tanning salon



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: aqua soul-stirring garrison

is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 interacts with 7.2" guy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/#43231447)



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Date: January 18th, 2025 10:31 PM
Author: aqua soul-stirring garrison



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Date: August 12th, 2025 12:32 PM
Author: I hate being a lawyer and want to die



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:50 PM
Author: Appetizing idiotic trailer park preventive strike

omg 260k where do they get off

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/#36253074)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:24 PM
Author: aqua soul-stirring garrison

For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t pay lockstep and was making 260k when I made partner.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/#36253521)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:28 PM
Author: Zippy bespoke nowag

p depressing news going into the weekend

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/#36253537)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:15 PM
Author: aqua soul-stirring garrison

Eat my dick nigger lover

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/#36253786)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:05 PM
Author: Zippy bespoke nowag

your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire du jour

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/#36254215)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:35 PM
Author: aqua soul-stirring garrison

Explain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/#36254517)



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Date: June 16th, 2018 2:30 PM
Author: aqua soul-stirring garrison



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Date: September 4th, 2018 2:24 PM
Author: aqua soul-stirring garrison



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Date: June 16th, 2018 12:01 AM
Author: cheese-eating federal tanning salon



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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:28 PM
Author: Seedy house-broken clown masturbator

yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put in some time and then afterwards you basically write your own ticket

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/#36253827)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:46 PM
Author: Nighttime Drunken Circlehead

To be fair,

*Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/#36254339)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:22 PM
Author: aqua soul-stirring garrison



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:21 PM
Author: supple iridescent pocket flask stag film



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: Chartreuse theater



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Date: October 14th, 2021 1:53 PM
Author: aqua soul-stirring garrison



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:36 PM
Author: Fighting Blathering Internal Respiration

I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/#41933507)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:37 PM
Author: Ruddy Native

holy shit

out the firm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/#41933521)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:15 PM
Author: aqua soul-stirring garrison

or at least give us vault range. that is really low.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/#41933783)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:22 PM
Author: fishy location

Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/#41933832)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: aqua soul-stirring garrison

it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression at firms that don't pay lockstep (like mine). I think when i made partner biglaw was at 180 or 190 for first years. i was making 260 when i was put up. my firm always matches the market salary for first years but does nothing for anyone year 2 and beyond.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/#41933852)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:27 PM
Author: fishy location

That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cravath scale but it’s been a while since I’ve seen the list

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/#41933882)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:02 PM
Author: aqua soul-stirring garrison

i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/#41949761)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: underhanded histrionic cruise ship

They systematically overpay top performers though. If you're a 6th year doing 2400+ hours and unhappy with your pay and you're good, you could walk across the street to any other firm that does lockstep. But now you make the same as their worst sixth year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/#41933851)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:39 PM
Author: supple iridescent pocket flask stag film



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:10 PM
Author: Fighting Blathering Internal Respiration

No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an associate of the same year at a lockstep firm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/#41935758)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:57 PM
Author: underhanded histrionic cruise ship

Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they can go to another firm tomorrow and get more money?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/#41935989)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:00 PM
Author: Spectacular violent forum

Better partnership odds

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/#41935999)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:04 PM
Author: underhanded histrionic cruise ship

That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner classes, but it's a longer track too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/#41936016)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:10 PM
Author: Spectacular violent forum

Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except for places where no one makes partner (Cravath, S&C, etc.).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/#41936043)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:15 PM
Author: Ruddy Native

(Stevie Brogan)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/#41935792)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:22 PM
Author: cracking indecent abode

lol no

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/#41935828)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:12 PM
Author: titillating salmon doctorate base

how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Cleveland? the Shaker Heights trolling has got me curious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/#41949811)



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Date: June 29th, 2021 8:18 AM
Author: aqua soul-stirring garrison



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:07 PM
Author: aqua soul-stirring garrison



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:15 PM
Author: 180 messiness



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: swashbuckling state

that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2/#43231452)



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:43 AM
Author: aqua soul-stirring garrison



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