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Pay for Lawyers is So High People Are Comparing It to the N.B.A. (NYT)

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Makes sense, they are true visionaries and risk takers
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1) that photo is disturbing 2) how come no discussion of ...
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cause "journalism" is dumb. even decades ago there...
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  07/02/24
PI lawyers are like the WNBA of this analogy. Most of them ...
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  07/02/24
all legal SCHOLARSHIP is fraud, u think "private equity...
Onyx pea-brained station pozpig
  07/02/24
not really. BIGLAW litigators are the champagne of law.
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Lol PI attorneys make bank compared to corporate lawyers. I ...
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1. The most well compensated litigators make multiples of ...
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rate this gorgeous sexxy ladddy lolyer mentioned, u think sh...
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This is Hawk Tuah girls’ sister. Of course she throws ...
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SMU law lol
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SMU law and now she’s probably making $5-$10 million a...
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8.5 i rate her as making senior associate money
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an of counsel at my former biglaw firm (v65ish) is fucking a...
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Does she have a high sex drive? Is she hot?
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yes and yes. i can't believe she made service partner, from...
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link to profile?
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just wait until we start 'stapling green cards' to 10M turds...
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there are literally 50m Lawyer Pajeets in India who easily c...
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The flip side of this is that service partners / ofs counsel...
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ITE and all those associate firings and attempts to run lean...
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The market for GCs is even more out of whack and bizarre imo...
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Imagine paying a buddy $27M a year to play golf with you.
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Date: July 2nd, 2024 3:03 AM
Author: Tantric ocher masturbator stage

Pay for Lawyers is So High People Are Comparing It to the N.B.A. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/01/business/law-firm-pay-salary.html?smid=nytcore-android-share

July 1, 2024

Hotshot Wall Street lawyers are now so in demand that bidding wars between firms for their services can resemble the frenzy among teams to sign star athletes.

Eight-figure pay packages — rare a decade ago — are increasingly common for corporate lawyers at the top of their game, and many of these new heavy hitters have one thing in common: private equity.

In recent years, highly profitable private equity giants like Apollo, Blackstone and KKR have moved beyond company buyouts into real estate, private lending, insurance and other businesses, amassing trillions of dollars in assets. As their demand for legal services has skyrocketed, they have become big revenue drivers for law firms.

This is pushing up lawyers’ pay across the industry, including at some of Wall Street’s most prestigious firms, such as Kirkland & Ellis; Simpson Thacher & Bartlett; Davis Polk; Latham & Watkins; and Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison. Lawyers with close ties to private equity increasingly enjoy pay and prestige similar to those of star lawyers who represent America’s blue-chip companies and advise them on high-profile mergers, takeover battles and litigation.

Numerous people compared it to a star-centric system like the N.B.A., but others worried that higher and higher pay had gotten out of hand and could strain the law firms forced to stretch their budgets to keep talent from leaving.

“Twenty million dollars is the new $10 million,” said Sabina Lippman, a partner and co-founder of the legal recruiter Lippman Jungers. In the past few years, at least 10 law firms have spent — or acknowledged to Ms. Lippman that they need to spend — around $20 million a year or more to lure the highest-profile lawyers.

One hiring partner at a law firm said $20 million pay packages were usually reserved for those who could bring in more than $100 million in annual revenue for a firm.

Last year, six partners at Kirkland, including some who were recruited during the year, each made at least $25 million, according to people with knowledge of the arrangements who weren’t authorized to discuss pay publicly. Several others in its London office made around $20 million.

One partner at a law firm said pay for top lawyers had roughly tripled in the past five years.

The take-home pay of some top lawyers is now approaching that of big bank chiefs. Jamie Dimon of JPMorgan Chase, the nation’s largest bank, made roughly $36 million last year. David Solomon of Goldman Sachs earned about $31 million over the same period.

At the center of the action is Kirkland, a 115-year-old law firm founded in Chicago that made an early play for private equity clients when few rivals saw them as big moneymakers. About a decade ago, Kirkland began poaching heavy hitters at rival law firms — many based in New York — who had longstanding relationships with the biggest private equity players.

That inspired fierce competition among top law firms, including Simpson, Latham, Davis Polk and Paul, Weiss. Some have changed their compensation structures or stretched their budgets to keep stars from leaving. Others have countered by raiding Kirkland to build their own private equity businesses.

“Firms do not feel like they can only think about being defensive with respect to their talent,” said Scott Yaccarino, co-founder of the legal recruiting firm Empire Search Partners. “They have to be on the offense, too.”

Lawyers have earned multimillion-dollar pay packages for more than a decade. When Scott A. Barshay, one of the industry’s pre-eminent mergers-and-acquisitions lawyers, left Cravath, Swaine & Moore to join Paul, Weiss in 2016, his pay package of $9.5 million created a stir in the industry. (Mr. Barshay’s compensation has risen significantly since then, two people with knowledge of the contract said.)

But the recent jump in pay has happened at a dizzying pace and for many more lawyers. Coupled with the fierce poaching, it is swiftly reshaping the economics of major law firms. Kirkland has even guaranteed some hires fixed shares in the partnership for several years, according to several people with knowledge of the contracts. In some instances, it has extended forgivable loans as sweeteners.

Last year, Kirkland hired away Alvaro Membrillera, a noted private equity lawyer in London who counts KKR as a key client, from Paul, Weiss for around $14 million and a multiyear guarantee, according to two people with knowledge of the contract.

White & Case recently hired O. Keith Hallam III, a partner from Cravath with private equity clients, for roughly $14 million a year, according to a person with knowledge of the contract. The firm also hired Taurie M. Zeitzer, a private equity lawyer at Paul, Weiss, for around the same amount, another person with knowledge of the contract

To some, the changing landscape represents a more meritocratic system in which partners can expect pay based on talent rather than seniority. Cravath, a storied, 205-year-old firm, long followed the so-called lock-step system linked to seniority, but modified it in 2021. Debevoise & Plimpton is one of the few remaining firms that continue to follow the lock-step model.

“Law firms have gotten a lot more commercial in how they run themselves,” said Neil Barr, the chair and managing partner of Davis Polk. “Firms are operating like businesses rather than old-school partnerships, and it’s led to more rational business behavior.”

Kirkland’s early bet on private equity has paid off handsomely. Globally, private equity firms managed $8.7 trillion in assets in 2023 — more than five times what they oversaw at the onset of the financial crisis in 2007, according to the data provider Preqin. Blackstone alone manages more than $1 trillion in assets, and other firms, including Apollo, Ares, KKR and Brookfield, collectively oversee trillions more.

As the private equity business took off, Kirkland’s clients began directing hundreds of millions of dollars in business its way each year. In 2023, Kirkland made more than $7 billion in gross revenue, according to The American Lawyer’s annual ranking, making it the highest-grossing law firm in the world.

A single firm like Blackstone or KKR can generate legal work from the constellation of companies, banks and others in its universe. For instance, even though Blackstone’s main law firm is Simpson, it paid Kirkland — one of its secondary law firms — $41.6 million in 2023, according to a regulatory filing.

“The private equity clients of these firms — they mint money,” said Mark Rosen, the chief executive and chairman of the legal recruiting firm Mark Bruce International.

Simpson, an illustrious Wall Street firm with roots in the Gilded Age and one of the largest private equity practices, has been a particular target of poaching by Kirkland. One person with knowledge of the rivalry called the firm Kirkland’s “farm team.” Kate Slaasted, a spokeswoman for Kirkland, said in an email: “As a firm, we have the highest regard for Simpson Thacher.”

At least seven top partners from Simpson, including Andrew Calder and Peter Martelli, have jumped to Kirkland in the past decade. Kirkland also poached Jennifer S. Perkins, a star lawyer from Latham who has represented KKR on some of its deals, to join its private equity practice.

Mr. Calder and Jon A. Ballis, the chairman of Kirkland, were among the partners who made at least $25 million last year, according to three people with knowledge of the compensation details. Mr. Calder and Melissa D. Kalka, also a partner at Kirkland, work closely with Global Infrastructure Partners, the private equity firm that recently announced a deal to sell itself to BlackRock for $12.5 billion.

In 2023, Paul, Weiss — which counts Apollo Global Management among its top clients and is aggressively building its private equity business — poached several Kirkland lawyers to build out its London office. The firm also hired Eric J. Wedel, whose clients include Bain Capital, KKR and Warburg Pincus, away from Kirkland, and Jim Langston, another private equity-focused lawyer, from Cleary Gottlieb Steen & Hamilton.

Simpson has altered its pay structure in the past year so that it can be more competitive with Kirkland and other rivals. “We intentionally made the decision to adjust our compensation structure to attract and retain the best talent in strategically important practices across our global platform,” Alden Millard, chair of Simpson’s executive committee, wrote in an email.

One sign of the frenzied nature of hiring: the use of multiyear compensation guarantees to attract lawyers. These fell out of favor after Dewey & LeBoeuf filed for bankruptcy in 2012, unable to meet millions of dollars in fixed payments and bonuses it had promised partners. Now, a different type of guaranteed payment has become popular.

Some firms are awarding new hires a number of shares in the partnership for a set period, typically in the range of two to five years. Such offers are attractive because they ensure a specific share of a firm’s profits irrespective of its annual performance.

This frenzy has meant that even lawyers without private equity connections have seen their pay rise. Freshfields — a big British firm that is building a beachhead in the United States — has recruited lawyers in the range of $10 million to $15 million, and provided additional pay guarantees to some, according to three people with direct knowledge of the compensation details.

“Law firms want people who are going to be motivated based on culture,” said Ms. Lippman, the recruiter. “But at some point if you have this big difference between firms, everyone has a price.”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47800705)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 4:19 AM
Author: Aromatic flesh fat ankles

Gee, what could possibly go wrong ….

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47800737)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 8:13 AM
Author: obsidian plaza friendly grandma



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 3:27 AM
Author: Rose French Chef

Oh come on

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Date: July 2nd, 2024 3:46 AM
Author: razzle-dazzle fiercely-loyal coffee pot

SHOWWWW MEEE THE MONEYYYY

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Date: July 2nd, 2024 3:47 AM
Author: pink private investor

Makes sense, they are true visionaries and risk takers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47800710)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 3:51 AM
Author: razzmatazz nighttime theater stage

1) that photo is disturbing

2) how come no discussion of litigators???? hmmm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47800712)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 3:52 AM
Author: Onyx pea-brained station pozpig

cause "journalism" is dumb. even decades ago there were PI lolyers making 100m a year + and flying private jets, u wld think they shld at least mention that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47800716)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 3:53 AM
Author: razzmatazz nighttime theater stage

PI lawyers are like the WNBA of this analogy. Most of them are shit but every now there's a Caitlyn Clark who makes bank. Still not respect though, just like PI lawyers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47800718)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 3:55 AM
Author: Onyx pea-brained station pozpig

all legal SCHOLARSHIP is fraud, u think "private equity" doing legal work for a bunch of filthy kikes gaming the system to maek inflated profits is more GORGEOUS than suing a bunch of insurers cause a nigga hurt his back in a fake car accident?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47800721)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 3:55 AM
Author: razzmatazz nighttime theater stage

not really. BIGLAW litigators are the champagne of law.

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Date: July 2nd, 2024 7:40 AM
Author: Appetizing resort yarmulke

Some life you got there, stinky pussy

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Date: July 2nd, 2024 1:57 PM
Author: Clear Crackhouse

Lol PI attorneys make bank compared to corporate lawyers. I make more than any corporate lawyers from my class and I make 1/10th what cslg makes.

The differences are staggering the higher you go.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47802191)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 4:18 AM
Author: Aromatic flesh fat ankles

1. The most well compensated litigators make multiples of what the corporate lawyers listed make, but they are plaintiff side and its non-recurring revenue, absent the big mills and maybe Quinn/Susman type places.

2. High profile defense side litigators don’t move around as much.

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Date: July 2nd, 2024 3:51 AM
Author: Onyx pea-brained station pozpig

Mortimer "Mort" Goldstein III, the Lebron James of private equity lolyers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47800714)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 3:54 AM
Author: Onyx pea-brained station pozpig

rate this gorgeous sexxy ladddy lolyer mentioned, u think she swallows

https://www.kirkland.com/lawyers/k/kalka-melissa

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47800719)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 6:48 AM
Author: razzle faggotry native

This is Hawk Tuah girls’ sister. Of course she throws down.

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Date: July 2nd, 2024 7:34 AM
Author: Abnormal aggressive hell national security agency

SMU law lol

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Date: July 8th, 2024 2:31 PM
Author: Rambunctious stimulating mental disorder

SMU law and now she’s probably making $5-$10 million a year. Law school is such a crapshoot.

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Date: July 2nd, 2024 9:19 AM
Author: hyperventilating ungodly dragon depressive

8.5

i rate her as making senior associate money

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47801003)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 10:57 AM
Author: bateful unholy sanctuary jewess

she's very pretty. and i don't know anything about her personal morals. but as i've posted before, i know a v50 blonde knockout partner who's slept with associates, partners, clients, whoever she wants

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Date: July 2nd, 2024 12:35 PM
Author: hyperventilating ungodly dragon depressive

an of counsel at my former biglaw firm (v65ish) is fucking a partner in the L&E group, he apparently is telling her he's gonna leave his wife but he doesn't suggest (to me anyway) that he actually is.

this won't end well.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47801815)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 12:36 PM
Author: Cracking violent stead doctorate

Does she have a high sex drive? Is she hot?

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Date: July 2nd, 2024 5:26 PM
Author: bateful unholy sanctuary jewess

yes and yes. i can't believe she made service partner, from an intellectual horsepower pov. but, she's high energy, can golf (in a short skirt), a woman, and male clients love to work with her

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Date: July 2nd, 2024 5:56 PM
Author: wild odious base affirmative action

link to profile?

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Date: July 2nd, 2024 4:25 AM
Author: razzle-dazzle fiercely-loyal coffee pot

just wait until we start 'stapling green cards' to 10M turdskin/gook 'diplomas'. everyone will be out of a job.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47800739)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 5:12 AM
Author: Onyx pea-brained station pozpig

there are literally 50m Lawyer Pajeets in India who easily cld destroy the entire legal industry within 12 months, its only because of these bullshit protectionist regulations incl bar licenses that it hasnt happened. And then there is Chink AI

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47800755)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 9:15 AM
Author: Peach Institution

Legal Leopards of Bharat

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Date: July 2nd, 2024 6:31 AM
Author: glassy swashbuckling orchestra pit

That reminds me I have to send out June bills

One will be for about $80. Every bit helps!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47800787)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 9:15 AM
Author: Peach Institution



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 12:41 PM
Author: Galvanic Magenta Boistinker

The majesty of the law!

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Date: July 8th, 2024 4:04 PM
Author: fear-inspiring garrison



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 1:43 PM
Author: Deep curious state



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 7:14 AM
Author: balding hospital

Depressing thread

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Date: July 2nd, 2024 9:17 AM
Author: Costumed macaca toilet seat



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 12:34 PM
Author: Flatulent forum roommate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47801812)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 7:36 AM
Author: Abnormal aggressive hell national security agency

The flip side of this is that service partners / ofs counsel are going to get far less of the pie.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47800838)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 7:43 AM
Author: thriller black set

ITE and all those associate firings and attempts to run lean gutted the talent pool so now there is a legit shortage of guys at the 20 mark who know wtf they are doing. Even in my not so sexy area of broker dealer work -- it wasn't sexy 20 years ago and there were very few people getting into this area so now the pool of senior talent who knows how to run a broker dealer or do any kind of securities intermediary work is maybe 500 deep in the whole country and you have to pay them $500-600k for the pleasure.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47800846)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 8:05 AM
Author: vengeful judgmental area

Rare breed securities intermediary worker

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47800877)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 1:10 PM
Author: thriller black set

Guy unaware that an account with DTCC takes like 2000 pages of paperwork to even open. Yeah, it's literally maybe a couple hundred people in the country who do this shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47801962)



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Date: July 3rd, 2024 9:23 AM
Author: vengeful judgmental area

This isn't responsive to my post, which had nothing to do with the truth vel non of your earlier comment

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47804907)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 9:50 AM
Author: chartreuse supple pit

The market for GCs is even more out of whack and bizarre imo. Like at least these PE M&A partners have to have their comp tie back to some amount of billing receivables that justifies their comp. Why the fuck is the GC of Zoom making $27M and lol at being on this “bottom 10” list: https://laterallink.com/general-counsel-compensation-in-fortune-500-companies-an-overview/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47801098)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 10:51 AM
Author: bateful unholy sanctuary jewess

Sure a GC is a cost center, but if you're a big enough company, it's a position that can have a significant impact. Gotta arm yourself with metrics to justify your value though definitely

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47801345)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 12:36 PM
Author: chartreuse supple pit

The fact that relatively well known household name brand companies pay their GCs 2% of what other household name brand companies pay theirs suggests that these companies have no clue how to value the services of a GC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47801821)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 5:28 PM
Author: bateful unholy sanctuary jewess

totally agreed. it's tough to price when a lot of legal problems won't show up for years or whatever if you do things the dumb way today.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47803170)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 1:14 PM
Author: thriller black set

He is the CEO's best friend is why. GC jobs just go to the CEO's lawyer golfing buddy. Those jobs have nothing to do with resumes/experience past a minimum competency point.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47801983)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 3:33 PM
Author: chartreuse supple pit

Imagine paying a buddy $27M a year to play golf with you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47802658)



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Date: July 3rd, 2024 9:11 AM
Author: bateful unholy sanctuary jewess

well and also, he reads contracts and does boring shit, so you don't have to. and it's convenient to get updates from him on stuff while you're golfing together

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47804867)



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Date: July 3rd, 2024 9:09 AM
Author: adventurous gas station gaping

It would be one thing if the 27M was from some stock grant when they joined and then the stock went up 100x or something, but Zoom stock is LJL, crashed big time. Same with Twilio.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47804862)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 9:51 AM
Author: azure abode death wish

Funny thing is that the only reason biglawyers make so much is because in house people are too stupid, lazy, or both to find other firms that could do the same work for the same result at half or less the price

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47801108)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 9:53 AM
Author: Abnormal aggressive hell national security agency

lol how stupid are u? do u not realize its CYA to hire the best firm? are u some maf shitlawyer or some naive 1L?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47801114)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 9:56 AM
Author: azure abode death wish

Ironically, it's exactly this mentality that I'm talking about. Some BU law grad with a huge inferiority complex thinks it's "CYA" to hire some rapacious Jew who went to HLS because of Vault rankings, the lack of any real network, and pure laziness

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47801128)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 10:00 AM
Author: Abnormal aggressive hell national security agency

it is CYA. u sound naive and dont have a clue how the world works.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47801143)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 11:20 AM
Author: vengeful judgmental area

The defensive tone of this reply made me lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47801492)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 11:23 AM
Author: dark cheese-eating locus marketing idea

it has nothing to do with that. its the overpaid gc lobbing business to his friends.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47801502)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 11:27 AM
Author: Abnormal aggressive hell national security agency

yes, it's also cronyism/corruption. the point is that no GC is hiring biglaw bc they're too stupid to hire the perfect midlaw firm for 1/5th of the price.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47801522)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 10:00 AM
Author: Stirring site

Lol

those firms don't exist in any appreciable number to move that pay.

why would a firm of constantly-on-the-clock smart striver lawyers who work in a stressful profession agree to do work for major and profitable companies for so much less?

fact is that the companies need the lawyers. not the other way around. there is too much work out there for it to be otherwise.

if america were different, if our legal system were different, and there was so much less demand, lawyers just wouldn't be lawyers. it wouldn't be worth it.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47801144)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 10:04 AM
Author: chartreuse supple pit

Now imagine SCOTUS overturns Chevron

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47801151)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 1:45 PM
Author: Peach Institution

And you have to go to federal court every time there's a dispute about a regulation? Yeah that will definitely lead to less litigation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47802129)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 12:26 PM
Author: balding hospital

Cr American lawyers make a lot because the govt is basically outsourced to individual actors. Also it’s legal to totally fuck people over. This creates a high demand for legal services

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47801786)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 8:10 PM
Author: azure abode death wish

not even remotely true for the vast majority of legal work. biglaw is only REQUIRED for maybe 5-10% of the cases that biglaw firms actually handle. the rest could (and should) be farmed out

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47803740)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 9:59 PM
Author: thriller black set

Cool story hoss but biglaw has about 150000 of the country's million lawyers working in it if your biglaw definition is the 500 largest firms. In house is another 130000 bodies. Of the million lawyers in the US half don't practice at all because their degrees are toilet paper or they are mommies. Biglaw and inhouse is actually just over half the profession just by body count. Shitlaw is almost a part time job by comparison.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47804085)



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Date: July 8th, 2024 3:24 PM
Author: Stirring site

the point is not that other firms could do the work, the point is that biglawyers will not do the work at the same level of around-the-clock responsiveness for less pay.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47821239)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 9:44 PM
Author: red candlestick maker cuckoldry

I get it that for certain transactions you need big law, but for the most part mid-law is like 10x the deal.

You can get an ex-big law partner to give you actual advice and just bill you for half an hour instead of big law putting 10 junior attorneys to write up some stupid ass memo for $13,000.

If you actually get work product from a mid-law firm, the partner will often do it themselves or with a mid-level associate. So The bill is like 1/3 of the big law bill - plus the partner actually read the thing.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47804045)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 11:07 AM
Author: arrogant diverse den

Make no mistake, if there is one place alpha millionaires are collected, it’s THE LAW

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47801433)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 1:10 PM
Author: passionate field associate



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 12:29 PM
Author: bull headed big dog poop

could never quite put my finger why fantasy football was so popular among lawyers, turns out that larping about your fantasy career is also titrating your pay structure, if one were to elucidate on this a lot of wild conclusions may be arrived at.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47801794)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 12:31 PM
Author: Orange rehab shitlib

ESPN has started dedicating 5 mins of Sports Center to Biglaw laterals, trades, re-signings, and the free agency market.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47801801)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 12:33 PM
Author: Abnormal aggressive hell national security agency

Mel Kiper Jr discussing the top 5 m&a lateral partners

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47801809)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 10:00 PM
Author: disturbing clown stage



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 12:37 PM
Author: Flatulent forum roommate

The difference is NBA players WANT to play in the NBA for 15+ years if their bodies will let them. But does anyone really WANT to still do BIGLAW after 2 years of a $14 million salary? There’s probably only like 5 of those people on earth.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47801825)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 12:42 PM
Author: Cracking violent stead doctorate

There are plenty that enjoy it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47801847)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 1:22 PM
Author: balding hospital

Idk about enjoy but there’s definitely plenty that are addicted to it. It’s a great career for workaholics who like high pressure situations. It’s a tragedy that people get caught up with wasting their lives this way

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Date: July 3rd, 2024 6:37 AM
Author: thriller black set

Oh, the horror of being on $100bn deals and flying private.

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Date: July 2nd, 2024 1:22 PM
Author: Mischievous olive space love of her life

lol at the article making this link but neglecting to discuss other obvious parallels such as lawyers’ staggering sexual market value and the buckwild casual violence perpetrated by their posses.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47802014)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 1:46 PM
Author: Peach Institution



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 10:00 PM
Author: disturbing clown stage



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Date: July 3rd, 2024 8:28 AM
Author: glassy swashbuckling orchestra pit



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 6:07 PM
Author: hyperactive trump supporter

PR stories aside, is any firm actually paying anyone $20 mil? Has that been confirmed? Maybe a couple firms each have one guy they are paying that? One has to wonder when firms are just announcing "YES WE ARE RAISING PARTNER PAY PACKAGES TO $20 MILLION TOO!" does this have any teeth or meaning. Most of the big firms have institutional clients who I suspect cannot really just up and leave to go have all the work done at some other firm in order to chase one partner due to conflicts.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47803253)



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Date: July 8th, 2024 2:36 PM
Author: At-the-ready White Point Persian

kirkland share partners range from 30 to 300 shares at the top end. Each share last year received over 90k of distributions. So while most don't make over 20 million, there are still a good number of share partners in that range.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47820965)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 9:39 PM
Author: red candlestick maker cuckoldry

It's kind of ironic that these guys are bringing in $100 mm + or whatever in business.

Let's pretend that these guys bill at $3,000 hour and bill 2,000 hours a year (which they almost certainly don't do with all their other duties). That's $6 million.

So people are sending matters to these "experts" even though at least 95+ percent (and probably 98+%) of the work is being done by someone else.

To keep with the NBA analogy, its like you hire Lebron James to play on your team and then he actually puts a G-Leaguers in for your gametime.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47804037)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 9:40 PM
Author: Henna Address

Maybe clients are paying for their leadership abilities?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47804040)



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 9:52 PM
Author: sable market therapy

(Solo)

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Date: July 2nd, 2024 10:01 PM
Author: thriller black set

Guy who doesn't understand that you use these people to cover your ass from shareholder actions and it's the same reason all the work goes to only 4 accounting firms. So long as the economy is healthy these fuckers can charge almost whatever they want.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47804092)



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Date: July 3rd, 2024 1:13 AM
Author: dark cheese-eating locus marketing idea

tbf thats what lebron james is currently doing

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Date: July 3rd, 2024 9:11 AM
Author: adventurous gas station gaping



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Date: July 2nd, 2024 11:40 PM
Author: Tantric ocher masturbator stage



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Date: July 3rd, 2024 9:05 AM
Author: puce foreskin stain

Would love to see a sitcom where NBA stars are partying at some trendy club and hitting on hotties and end up interacting with some 50 year old star private equity lawyers trying to chase youthful partying they never had.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47804853)



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Date: July 8th, 2024 2:43 PM
Author: vigorous theatre legend

Makes me sick to see Latham mentioned in that article

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5548975&forum_id=2],#47821007)