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Why it's fine to be pro-Shia in America in 2024

The fist thing to understand is the split, and what it's all...
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ljl@ Jonah. Why couldn't he get his fiance from the muslims ...
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nm it's explained later on. The emperor's daughter must have...
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These proto-Sunni warlords got to Damascus at the same time ...
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Wow, what a heroic entrance for the Umayyad outfi, uhh, fami...
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Shut up you retarded nigger
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Date: September 29th, 2024 4:20 PM
Author: https://imgur.com/a/IkQnGlr


The fist thing to understand is the split, and what it's all about it. It's actually really simple:

1. There was a succession crises. Mohammed died young and unexpectedly (like Jesus!) without giving any clear instructions on what to do after he was det.

2. Mohamed himself seems like a pretty incredible dood, if the stories are to be believed. Seems like he was touched by Allah. Seems like his kids and shit would be special too. At the very least, they'd be part-Mohammed in some sense. Not like other people who weren't part of the tribe/clan.

3. Separately there were all these non-relatives of Mohammed who had held some authority in the kangdom. At best these people were the equivalent of SCOTUS justices who were appointed by Mohamed.

4. The people who were family of Mohamed went off and started their own religious tradition that was a continuation of the Mohamed project. These people split off into various clans, including one that landed in Persia.

5. The people who were like the SCOTUS justices tried to claim authority through their mastery of the law. However, they created an internal legal structure that makes it impossible to challenge a wide range of fundamental tenets. This is like having Roe v Wade being decided in 700AD, and being told that anyone who questions the validity of that decision will be put to death.

6. The "lawgiver" Muslims eventually devolved into bands of marauders who only wanted to live like rich kangz. They didn't give a fuck about Mohamed or any of that shit that happened years ago. They only wanted to live in Damfuckingascus. At that time, Damfuckingascus was like MFH. You HAD to live there to be anybody important. However, Mohamed himself had never gone there, and Damascus had zero historical connection to Islamic tradition in any way.

7. These corrupt "lawgiver" Muslims, who never had any blood relation to Mohamed in the first place, and who got thoroughly corrupted and became infatuated with living Damfuckingascus, later became the Umayyad Caliphate. For some reason they are the people modern day Sunnis seek to emulate. To this day they remain corrupt and wedded to 8th century laws, by choice. There were any number of caliphates they could have chosen to emulate, but none of them ever achieved the glory one could achieve by claiming Damfuckingascus as one's capital city in the 8th century.

8. Anyone would be rightly frightened by this shit. Persians didn't like it. Anyone who wasn't Arab basically hated living under these oppressive laws instituted by corrupt priests. So when a Shia conqueror (claiming blood relation to Mohamed) appeared, they were happy to convert. It was an opportunity for them to do all kinds of shit that violated these shitty ancient Sunni laws. If the Safavid kang wanted to overturn Roe v Wade he could do it.

9. That same logic still applies today. You can get into the brains of these Shia islamists and have a conversation with them. They won't play the shitlaw games Sunnis play, and don't carry the same level of cognitive dissonance by default.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603365&forum_id=2],#48143725)



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Date: September 29th, 2024 7:59 PM
Author: :; (🍑 Pronouns: Ausländer/Raus döp dödö döp)



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Date: September 29th, 2024 8:20 PM
Author: https://imgur.com/a/IkQnGlr


Wow, I've never seen a bigger whitewash of history than the Wikipedia entry here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashidun_Caliphate

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The caliphate arose following Muhammad’s passing in June 632 and the subsequent debate over the succession to his leadership. Muhammad's close companion Abu Bakr, of the Banu Taym clan, was elected the first caliph in Medina and he began the conquest of the Arabian Peninsula. His brief reign ended in August 634 when he died and was succeeded by Umar, his appointed successor from the Banu Adi clan. Under Umar, the caliphate expanded at an unprecedented rate, ruling more than two-thirds of the Byzantine Empire and nearly the entire Sasanian Empire. Umar was assassinated in November 644 and was succeeded by Uthman, a member of the Banu Umayya clan, who was elected by a six-person committee arranged by Umar. Under Uthman, the caliphate concluded its conquest of Persia in 651 and continued expeditions into the Byzantine territories. During his reign, rebels rose, and he was assassinated in June 656.

He was subsequently succeeded by Ali, a member of the Banu Hashim clan, who transferred the capital to Kufa. Ali presided over the civil war called the First Fitna as his suzerainty was unrecognized by Uthman's kinsman and Syria's governor Mu'awiya ibn Abu Sufyan (r. 661–680), who believed that Uthman's murderers should be punished immediately.

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See if you can even figure out who first got to Syria, or when. These people were so corrupt they didn't dare keep accurate records of anything. What's the point? If you're set up with a crew in Damfuckingascus why would you want word getting back to Medinia about whatever it is you're doing? You can imagine anything you want about what these "Rashidun" bros were really doing over whatever period of time in Damfuckingascus.

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Date: September 29th, 2024 8:26 PM
Author: https://imgur.com/a/IkQnGlr


ljl@ Jonah. Why couldn't he get his fiance from the muslims who had just offered to give her "immunity?"

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On 18 September, a Syriac monophysite priest named Jonah[32] informed Khalid about a festival celebration in the city that night.[e] The festivities offered Khalid an opportunity to capture the city in a surprise attack on the relatively lightly defended walls. In return, Jonah requested immunity for himself and his fiance.[33] According to Muslim chronicles, she was still not handed over to him because of the arrival of the Muslim army that was to besiege Damascus, and according to the narrations he came to Khalid with this information only to get his wife sooner. Jonah also converted to Islam.[clarification needed][30]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Damascus_(634)

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Date: September 29th, 2024 8:38 PM
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nm it's explained later on. The emperor's daughter must have been a hag:

The Syriac, Jonah, who had helped Khalid enter the city by the East Gate, showed him a short-cut to Antioch. Leading a cavalry regiment, Khalid caught up with a convoy of Byzantine refugees from Damascus at the sea, near Antioch.[38] The three-day truce had passed; Khalid's cavalry attacked the convoy during a heavy rain. In the subsequent battle, Khalid reportedly killed Thomas in a duel. After the Battle, known as the Battle of Marj-ud-Deebaj (Battle of Brocade Meadow), the Muslims took a great amount of brocade as booty.[39] In addition, Thomas' wife, the daughter of Heraclius, was captured. According to chronicles, the Greek man Jonah, who guided Khalid on the short cut to Antioch, got his fiance, but she committed suicide. Khalid offered Jonah the daughter of Emperor Heraclius, whom he refused. Khalid sent her back to her father. Jonah died two years later in the Battle of Yarmuk.[40]

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Date: September 29th, 2024 8:34 PM
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These proto-Sunni warlords got to Damascus at the same time and couldn't decide whether to kill everyone and loot the city right away, or give people three days to convert or GTFO I, I guess? Any Sunni scholars want to clarify what Abu Ubaidah was really offering Thomas here? For that matter how is this connected to anything Mohamed said or did? This Khalid bin Walid motherfucker couldn't even spell his own name.

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Khalid argued that he had conquered the city by force. Abu Ubaidah maintained the city had capitulated, through the peace agreement between him and Thomas.[37] The corps commanders discussed the situation, and reportedly told Khalid that the peace agreement must be honoured, which Khalid agreed to although reluctantly.[27]

The terms of the peace agreement were that no one would be enslaved, no harm would be done to the temples, nothing would be taken as booty and that safe passage was given to Thomas, Harbees, and every citizen of Damascus who was not willing to live under Muslim rule. The peace agreement also stated that the peace would end after three days and that the Muslims could attack after these three days without violating the agreement.[35]

The following pact was drawn up and signed by Khalid bin Walid:

In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful. This is given by Khalid bin Al Waleed [sic] to the people of Damascus. When the Muslims enter, they (the people) shall have safety for themselves, their property, their temples and the walls of their city, of which nothing shall be destroyed. They have this guarantee on behalf of Allah, Messenger of Allah, the Caliph (Umar) and the Muslims, from whom they shall receive nothing but good so long as they pay the Jizya.[32]

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Date: September 29th, 2024 8:46 PM
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Wow, what a heroic entrance for the Umayyad outfi, uhh, family. Just kill the guy in charge, take his place, and boom you've unlocked a golden era:

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The city was chosen as the capital of Islamic Syria. Its first Muslim governor was Yazid ibn Abu Sufyan, one of the commanders of the Muslim army that captured the city. Yazid died of plague in 640 and his younger brother, Mu'awiya I, succeeded him. After the murder of the last Rashidun Caliph, Caliph Ali in 661, Mu'awiya installed himself as the caliph of the Islamic empire founding the Umayyad dynasty.

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Date: September 29th, 2024 8:47 PM
Author: excellent poaster

Shut up you retarded nigger

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Date: September 29th, 2024 8:48 PM
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Why should a Saudi moslem give a fuck about what this satellite colony was doing in Syria? Looks like they didn't even bother converting the local Christians there, they just ran an opulent dynastic empire that burned out. Bin Laden sought to bring that back?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603365&forum_id=2],#48144458)