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Congestion pricing is evidence that proles need a punch in the face sometimes
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Date: January 14th, 2025 10:57 AM Author: Lascivious goal in life degenerate This whole time dumb proles taking unneeded trips downtown have been causing major traffic ties, emitting pollution, jeopardizing pedestrian safety etc. It only took a small fee to keep these idiots out of there. And it protects them from their own idiocy. They'd get stuck in those jams and act angry and surprised, honking their horns like a bunch of children. All the while they had plenty of other transit options. Paternalism has its place. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48552108) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 11:08 AM Author: Sooty foreskin pistol you pee sitting down and fart cum from your asshole and you are recent immigrant trash and aren't better than any of the "proles" you shit on. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48552147) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 11:42 AM Author: Aromatic tantric gas station skinny woman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48552243) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 2:51 PM Author: Apoplectic Galvanic Useless Brakes Athletic Conference (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48552831) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 8:09 PM Author: Talented Yellow Pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48553634) |
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Date: January 15th, 2025 3:38 AM Author: blue weed whacker PUMO, why do you hate Elon Musk and Melania Trump? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48554288) |
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Date: January 15th, 2025 7:49 AM Author: Sooty foreskin pistol I don’t like Elon or Tesla or twitter. Melania is 180. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48554432) |
Date: January 14th, 2025 10:58 AM Author: stirring big-titted cumskin library wasnt the holland tunnel toll already like $10+? so these fags already had an incentive not to drive plus they had to pay for parking
but yeah furk carmos, they shld be charged by the mile each mile they drive just to punish them |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 11:01 AM Author: Lascivious goal in life degenerate Yes, which just magnifies the idiocy of proles. They were already paying a big toll for the bridges but because it was something that's been around for 100 years they thought nothing of that. But "congestion pricing, OMG!" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48552119) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 12:18 PM Author: alcoholic magenta trailer park So the tolls on the Holland tunnel are only collected one way (into New York). A legacy of when you actually had to stop to pay. So joe prole could get from queens to New Jersey via the Williamsburg bridge and tunnel 4 FREE
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Date: January 14th, 2025 11:01 AM Author: razzmatazz abusive becky Cr. The only objectively bad thing about this congestion pricing plan is that the fee is only 50% of what it was proposed to be initially. Looking forward to it doubling. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48552120) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 11:06 AM Author: Lascivious goal in life degenerate Yeah, they'll eventually raise it. I think the chorus of opposition is slowly waning. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48552139) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 11:10 AM Author: Sooty foreskin pistol you pee sitting down and fart cum out of your asshole when you aren't talking out of it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48552155) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 11:01 AM Author: swollen mind-boggling hospital stock car I can’t wait for it to be full of schizophrenic cracked out niggers and street racers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48552121) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 11:12 AM Author: Ultramarine Vengeful Spot Hominid (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48552157) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 11:13 AM Author: purple appetizing parlour (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48552158) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 11:19 AM Author: Cream violent hall "you know what would solve this? a regressive tax!"
this is the liberal answer to every problem |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 11:31 AM Author: razzmatazz abusive becky well it is definitely the answer to this problem. its working great. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48552215) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 11:37 AM Author: Cream violent hall do you think they're just driving in rush hour just because?
it's congested because people who have to show up to work cannot afford to live where they work. and you want the solution to be to make it more expensive for them?
blue collar prole suffering through congestion every day to do necessary work. faggot screenjob guy "we should charge them more during rush hour because they can't afford it and they'll stay off the highway and away from their families even longer!" |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 11:42 AM Author: razzmatazz abusive becky "do you think they're just driving in rush hour just because?"
Yes, obviously they are. They are getting chicken fingers from Wendys and stuff. Especially given that traffic has dropped more than 30% almost immediately after a slight financial deterrence.
Take public transportation if you want to live in the most crowded expensive city in the US. |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 11:44 AM Author: Cream violent hall yeah they're paying tolls and sitting in traffic for fast food, because that only exists in MFH. retard.
you support this because the fee is inconsequential to you and you don't care that it would be significant for other people. if it was up to you they wouldn't exist at all. |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 11:47 AM Author: razzmatazz abusive becky If it were up to me every other street in mfh would have traffic closed off to it permanently because traffic is the scourge of humanity with noise, pollution, road rage, fatalalities to pedestrians, and lowers the quality of life for everyone who is not in a car (and most who are). The fee is not relevant to me bc Im not stupid enough to drive in. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48552263) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 1:07 PM Author: Indigo marvelous roast beef (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48552512) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 2:50 PM Author: Cream violent hall how do you think your amazon gc trinkers get to you? or the guy that fixes internet and electricity, which is essential to you screen life?
since you are unconcerned with how the will effect the poor, try doing some second order thinking and realize how these increased costs will be passed down to you. |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 4:47 PM Author: Thriller nighttime base The character of low income prole commuting by car from the Bronx to lower Manhattan is a pure figment of your imagination. Most NYC proles don’t even own a car. The car owners skew wealthier or work in the outer boroughs. Parking and tolls are already cost-prohibitive for someone with shit income going downtown every day.
And delivery costs to Manhattan are already high. Congestion pricing could lower them if they cut time waiting in traffic. If not, the wealthiest consumers in America will bear the burden of getting their shit delivered. Oh, the horror!
The target here is random idiots driving around NYC for dumb reasons like “I moved here from Ohio and think you can’t walk with groceries” or “I compensate for my tiny penis with this large loud vehicle that goes 10 mph on average” or “my drug-dealing business is really taking off, time to buy a sick Nissan and go get a new T-shirt in SoHo.”
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Date: January 15th, 2025 2:34 AM Author: bateful cuckoldry mad-dog skullcap MFCR. wtf are these people supposed to be? public schools teachers and DMV worker types? they're driving into that area for work? hispanic teenagers washing dishes? endless construction and contracting bros who are literally not allowed to drive a job site? produce department managers? where is this noble hard-working drive into MFH class of people this going to slowly degrade? it's already bananas expensive to routinely commute into the city.
businesses have something to bitch about but as others already said, rates will adjust and oh boo hoo MFH retailers! somebody will figure out how to do it profitably if you don't, thus the reason MFH exists. |
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Date: January 15th, 2025 5:38 AM Author: Cream violent hall it's nice to see that xo loves new shitlib city taxes and is aligned with LtM on this issue (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48554362) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 11:47 AM Author: Sooty foreskin pistol "public transportation" is obviously an outdated relic of a bygone era. it's cute that libs like to pretend it's still 1991 and cling to it along with their precious "cities" that are also irrelevant in the modern world. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48552269) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 11:51 AM Author: Cream violent hall http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663041&mc=80&forum_id=2#48548668
this is why we can't have nice things.
shitcons don't want to do public works and shitlibs think everything can be fixed with taxes. so we wind up with a crumbling shithole country that's somehow more expensive than ever. |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 12:11 PM Author: Sooty foreskin pistol "nice things" = being able to take your own car from point A to point B. no one takes public transit because they want to. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48552347) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 12:16 PM Author: Cream violent hall you're proving my point. others itt are saying "just take public transport" and you're saying "no one takes public transport just drive." the result is that things just get shittier and more expensive. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48552361) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 12:26 PM Author: Sooty foreskin pistol ideally no one would commute or travel in/out and around cities and they would just stop existing. cities only exist for economic purposes and many of those are outdated.
libs care deeply about climate change and were very concerned about covid variants yet threw both to the wind when they threatened the economic viability of their precious cities:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkelly/2022/02/17/new-york-city-mayor-eric-adams-calls-for-companies-to-quickly-bring-workers-back-to-the-office/ |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 12:39 PM Author: Cream violent hall but cities do exist and need to be maintained by people that use equipment and trucks and can't afford to live in the city. so it's retarded to price them out of the city and then charge them extra because they have to commute in.
the lib hypocrisy thin is a non-sequitur and reveals your position is based on "grr libs grrrr" rater than substance. |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 12:46 PM Author: Sooty foreskin pistol you were linking above about HSR connecting DC and NYC, which is entirely different than local lines for commuters/workers in the cities. my point about cities being irrelevant is probably why they are resorting to congestion pricing. fewer people actually need to go to cities to work so they'll squeeze every last penny out of the ones who do.
Libs for decades have engineered NYC to be a playground for the rich and a shelter for poors subsidized by the middle class who work but can't actually afford/want to live there. NYC needs the wagecucks to come in every day to sustain itself. |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 12:53 PM Author: Cream violent hall i explicitly said i was not talking about HSR and was talking about improving the existing system and making it more affordable. but they'd rather charge regressive use fees keep people from using public infrastructure than spending money subsidizing.
you're right that this is all about squeezing every last penny from people. which is why i'm passionate about the opposition. your stance seems to be "fuck it cities are retarded anyway", which i think is naive. there are tons of empty rust belt cities people could flock too. they don't come to MFH because of the opera, they go where jobs + their community is. |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 12:58 PM Author: Sooty foreskin pistol most jobs you're referring to can be done anywhere and ppl still forced to come into the city for those jobs specifically choose to not live there because they don't want to be part of that "community" if you can call it that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48552491) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 1:02 PM Author: Cream violent hall yeah i don't think broke ass proles should be charged more money because their rat faced overlord wants them in their wagecage. how about we charge the businesses that insist on office work? oh, because the city wants to the commuter traffic.
so the city wants computer traffic to bring in a bunch of poors into the city to squeeze money out of them and to rent office space, and then they want to charge them money for taking up space because they were forced to commute in? that's what i'm against. |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 12:59 PM Author: Alcoholic Gold Puppy Is there any public transport system in the US that works effectively, efficiently and well?
Because they are controlled by government or quasi-government entities, they are filled with bloated salaries and benefits, cost overruns, etc. they all have certain routes/lines that are profitable and numerous ones that are not because lobbies for those areas force them to cover them. They tolerate crime/filth etc.
With the advent of cards tying to identity, public transport could be effectively priced, safe (by banning anyone they want), and with decent management could be efficient. |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 1:06 PM Author: Cream violent hall i'm saying that they should be improved and you're just identifying some of the reasons they are shit.
yes, entrenched lib bureaucrats and tolerating crime and filth is a big part of the problem. i'm saying we should work toward improving that. i'm not pollyannaish and ignorant of what a monumental undertaking that is. but i also won't just throw up my hands and say "fuck it, let america rot." |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 1:34 PM Author: Sooty foreskin pistol I don't like congestion pricing either. cities in general should be places where people want to live rather than the current setup as playgrounds for the rich, shelters for poors and where your desk is for everyone in between. it's not something you can flip a switch and change but it's the direction they should be heading towards. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48552571) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 2:39 PM Author: Cream violent hall yeah that's my position too. and the congestion pricing is just twisting knife and targeting a bunch of poors that often have to commute in. these types of taxes are complete faggatory because it's not a thought for the rich playground dwellers or the desk people, but a big deal for the proles. and the proles *have* to be there to take out the trash. meanwhile, the desk people who could be working from home are fine fucking over the proles because they're MAF about traffic even though the root cause is their faggot gc kike playground boss. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48552790) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 12:49 PM Author: Alcoholic Gold Puppy A majority of people in any given city on any given day don’t need to be there. How many lawyers, bankers, accountants sit at very expensive desks in very expensive chairs in a very expensive office who could be sitting anywhere. How much new development is happening when there are empty offices everywhere?
Covid proved this, but the city interests have forced an (at least tried to) end to WFH because, if not, the cities and the liberal political complex and the overtaxed base that supports it would fall apart. Put people in suburbs they become more conservative. Let them own a house, they care about crime and community.
What the congestion tax is a tax on those outside the city. It’s a toll road. It taxes some people who live where the toll is there, but its design is such that it taxes others. That being said, anything that keeps Proles off the road is good. |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 12:56 PM Author: Cream violent hall why should the proles be taxed because their GC overlords want them back cucking in the office?
these proles have been priced out of living where they work, which causes congestion, and the solution to alleviating the congestion is taking more money from working class proles in the hope that they won't drive during rush hour (despite their GC overlords demanding they drive through rush hour)? |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 2:16 PM Author: Alcoholic Gold Puppy Proles should take public transport. Everything nice should be expensive. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48552718) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 2:36 PM Author: Cream violent hall i'd rather live in a society where public services are nice and the proles didn't didn't live in filth while gc kike overlords enrich themselves off them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48552772) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 2:55 PM Author: Alcoholic Gold Puppy You are ignoring the most relevant group, the group that has been all but eliminated, the middle class.
Nice things should be expensive, poors should live in filth, and middle class should have a decent but not extravagant life. |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 3:02 PM Author: Cream violent hall disagree. and you shouldn't either for you own self interest as cities having a bunch of violent disgusting homeless impacts you, even if you don't give a shit about them as a fellow citizen. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48552855) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 4:54 PM Author: Amber box office generalized bond real "proles" arent going to work in the first place. theyre just driving around all day buying chicken nuggets and red bull (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48553160) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 11:43 AM Author: Lascivious goal in life degenerate with parking and tolls, it's usually a lot more expensive than taking mass transit. It's a dumb and selfish choice they're making. Negative externalities out the wazoo. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48552245) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 11:44 AM Author: Sooty foreskin pistol you pee sitting down and fart cum from your asshole (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48552253) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 11:45 AM Author: Cream violent hall why don't you take mass transit then? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48552254) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 11:50 AM Author: Lascivious goal in life degenerate I'm out in the burbs now with a family. When I lived in the city, I did all the time. I use trains and subways to go into the city now too. Sometimes when I'm lugging the family, we'll drive in, but I would never drive in during rush hour. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48552279) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 11:53 AM Author: Cream violent hall now consider you're a family of median income coming into the city and what they would think of your faggot commuter ass trying to make it financially difficult for them to do exactly what you're doing because you're doing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48552292) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 11:56 AM Author: Lascivious goal in life degenerate They should be taking mass transit, like I've done 99% of the time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48552305) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 12:00 PM Author: razzmatazz abusive becky Yea lol at this maf idiot thinking he has a god given right to shit up the most congested city in the western hemisphere with a car and not pay for any of the many negative externalities you create. I took public transportation basically 100% of the time for years including during rush hour, outside of rush hour, early morning, late at night. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48552323) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 12:05 PM Author: Cream violent hall you're agreeing with LtM here.
you out of touch retards don't understand how the prole mind works. faggot libs are always trying to influence behavior with tax tweaks, targeting morons who don't know how taxes work. this is the "slide dat card and let it do what it do" class of people.
LtM is just a moron. but you're just bitter and don't like these people because they inconvenience you. never mind that they're cleaning your trash and doing all the prole work necessary for you, and you're sitting around in crusty socks at a WFH screenjob seething that a plumber hauling a bunch of equipment doens't just take the subway. |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 12:11 PM Author: razzmatazz abusive becky lol ya i definitely am the one 'seething' here. cry me a river, faggot. maybe u can suck off your tranny friends and see if they care. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48552346) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 12:14 PM Author: Cream violent hall you're a misanthropic shut-in who hates life and everything in it, especially yourself. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48552358) |
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Date: January 15th, 2025 9:50 AM Author: Sooty foreskin pistol we're a car centric country. go the fuck back to eastern europe if you don't like cars.
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Date: January 17th, 2025 5:46 PM Author: Supple Ticket Booth Ratface Isn’t that would a lot of people are doing? Driving into the city isn’t fun and I avoided even when I was commuting from the suburbs. Took a shitty commuter bus bc I hated driving there (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48561435) |
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Date: January 15th, 2025 9:49 AM Author: Sooty foreskin pistol we're a car centric country. go the fuck back to eastern europe if you don't like cars. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48554564) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 11:44 AM Author: Disgusting Scourge Upon The Earth Locus Every time I've gone through NYC I just let the tolls rack up on my out of state plate and ignore them. Probably have about $5000 worth on it by now. 'Congestion pricing' seems like another meaningless number. Don't get why more don't do this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48552250) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 11:46 AM Author: Cream violent hall "why don't people just break the law? it's very profitable if you don't get caught!" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48552258) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 11:47 AM Author: Disgusting Scourge Upon The Earth Locus To the criminal law - not a single whisper. To the civil law - an eternal roar. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48552268) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 2:44 PM Author: irradiated idiotic crotch what are the mechanics of paying for this btw? are there toll booths or what? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48552807) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 2:45 PM Author: Cream violent hall everything is ezpass/toll by mail in most places these days. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48552811) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 4:52 PM Author: Sooty foreskin pistol ur a retard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48553151) |
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Date: January 15th, 2025 3:18 AM Author: doobsian spruce orchestra pit organic girlfriend Phantom tollbooths. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48554284) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 4:50 PM Author: Amber box office generalized bond dumb faggots driving around all day post-covid are a menace (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48553138) |
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Date: January 14th, 2025 4:53 PM Author: Indigo marvelous roast beef I've been to towns in Switzerland that don't allow any cars & its paradise. Zero mud people though. I wouldn't ride a train with minorities on it so it's not really tenable in most of the US. They should start building new cities this way & keep trash out from the start (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48553156) |
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Date: January 15th, 2025 3:35 AM Author: blue weed whacker what they also do in Switzerland, Germany etc is public car parks on the outskirts of town and then a shuttle into city center. very shrewd (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48554286) |
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Date: January 15th, 2025 5:58 PM Author: Indigo marvelous roast beef (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48555967) |
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Date: January 16th, 2025 4:59 PM Author: Sooty foreskin pistol that sucks shit. who the fuck wants to do that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48558565) |
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Date: January 16th, 2025 5:00 PM Author: glittery marketing idea then stay home, faggot. no one wants to see your kike face anyway (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48558569) |
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Date: January 17th, 2025 2:47 PM Author: stirring big-titted cumskin library aushwitz was outside of krakow i recall having to take a bus there so this dood probably just has ancestorial memories (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48560945) |
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Date: January 15th, 2025 5:45 PM Author: Pale Community Account https://x.com/ChrisJBakke/status/1879272353022255244 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48555938) |
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Date: January 16th, 2025 10:02 AM Author: Ultramarine Vengeful Spot Hominid 'gunneratt' maf (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48557406) |
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Date: January 16th, 2025 12:33 PM Author: swollen mind-boggling hospital stock car ahh
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"proles" |
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Date: January 17th, 2025 1:22 PM Author: Pale Community Account (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48560708) |
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Date: February 19th, 2025 2:56 PM Author: Sooty foreskin pistol Sean Duffy to LTM: "you pee sitting down and fart cum out of your asshole" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#48675372) |
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Date: March 16th, 2026 9:36 AM Author: .,.....,.,.;,.,,,:,.,.,::,...,:,..;,.., same libs who high fived this are squealing about gas prices now as if they give a shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5663758&forum_id=2],#49747594) |