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Rate this e-mail from my gardener trying to charge me $10k for $5k worth of work

I am really, really sorry about this, but I have been as fle...
Histrionic juggernaut
  05/23/24
#powergoyproblems
Balding Office Tattoo
  05/23/24
powergoy as hell. I expected to see dbg as the OP, not someo...
Soggy stead
  05/23/24
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flirting pervert
  05/23/24
Need more details surrounding the dispute
aromatic mad-dog skullcap azn
  05/23/24
He basically did not invoice me all of last summer and then ...
Histrionic juggernaut
  05/23/24
It’s good to nip these things in the bud (you can ask ...
aromatic mad-dog skullcap azn
  05/23/24
Well I think he thinks I'm one of these people who doesn't c...
Histrionic juggernaut
  05/23/24
what makes you think your number is correct and his isn't?
180 pontificating plaza partner
  05/23/24
also why the fuck is he paying someone all this money to gar...
opaque zombie-like ticket booth
  05/23/24
He built vegetable garden beds, replaced mulch, and other st...
Histrionic juggernaut
  05/23/24
Just pay the man. You could offer him $3500 to fuck off, but...
filthy area
  05/24/24
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ivory cracking field sneaky criminal
  05/24/24
sounds like $10k worth of work tbh
light macaca den
  05/28/24
At least
White Beady-eyed Dragon Property
  05/28/24
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exciting hateful school
  05/23/24
did you have a contract stating scope of work and cost? if ...
exciting hateful school
  05/23/24
No contract stating scope of work. He sent a proposal which ...
Histrionic juggernaut
  05/23/24
if he performed under the proposal and you accepted his serv...
Cerebral mauve boistinker
  05/23/24
It's going to be a fact issue. Proposal + silence/acceptance...
elite messiness resort
  05/24/24
gonna need an expert BIG GARDENING witness to straighten thi...
Violent costumed piazza
  05/24/24
Why didn’t you respond to the proposal? Did the pro...
gay lodge really tough guy
  05/24/24
send him a check for $500 that says "for all outstandin...
Cerebral mauve boistinker
  05/23/24
...
flirting pervert
  05/23/24
...
misanthropic locus legal warrant
  05/24/24
this is why everyone wants to murder lawyers and everyone is...
opaque zombie-like ticket booth
  05/23/24
lawfare is fair game
flirting pervert
  05/23/24
...
Cerebral mauve boistinker
  05/23/24
...
scarlet international law enforcement agency queen of the night
  05/24/24
how do you plan to respond
Spectacular fluffy mental disorder
  05/23/24
you sound like a scumbag tbh. you had every opportunity to p...
tripping menage
  05/23/24
The distinguishing factor here for me is whether the "p...
flirting pervert
  05/23/24
Quantum meruit!
Mustard shrine police squad
  05/23/24
i think if you got the benefit of the services, you should p...
Fragrant Navy Mood
  05/23/24
You went into the deal acting like a cool rich guy, unintere...
Excitant bawdyhouse
  05/24/24
...
deranged indian lodge
  05/28/24
beat his ass
territorial nofapping french chef trailer park
  05/24/24
I would def just do a Sam Hyde here and say "come kill ...
Khaki Nowag
  05/24/24
...
Excitant bawdyhouse
  05/24/24
Pay the man, you odious kike.
zippy swashbuckling national
  05/24/24
...
scarlet international law enforcement agency queen of the night
  05/24/24
Anyone who likes Tim Dillon is obviously extremely Jewish.
Mustard shrine police squad
  05/24/24
180
scarlet international law enforcement agency queen of the night
  05/24/24
If this is in California and he’s not licensed you don...
purple sanctuary dysfunction
  05/28/24
no one lives in californina you dipshit. no one has ever ev...
magical internal respiration rehab
  05/28/24
That's for contracting work iirc. Rather doubt it includes ...
deranged indian lodge
  05/28/24
This is small claims jurisdiction. Ever been to small claim...
deranged indian lodge
  05/28/24
who has ever been small claims court
Adulterous Puce Trust Fund Box Office
  05/28/24


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Date: May 23rd, 2024 11:34 AM
Author: Histrionic juggernaut

I am really, really sorry about this, but I have been as flexible and forgiving as a person can be expected to be, and I haven't heard from you in over a month now.

Throughout last year, despite being told that I had "free license", I was more than communicative with regard to costs, getting approval before purchasing more expensive plant material, etc.

To-date you've paid a total of $4000 of a total of $9640.64 owed for landscape improvement services, Fence repair/painting, vegetable garden improvements, powerwashing, and landscape/garden maintenance.

If the remaining $5640.64 is not paid in full in 30 days (June 23, 2024), I'll be forced to file suit for the balance as well as interest accrued on the material purchased on credit.

Happy to send a digital invoice so you can pay by card.

If I do not receive a response to this email, I will send a hard copy via certified mail.

Thank you.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47685914)



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Date: May 23rd, 2024 11:35 AM
Author: Balding Office Tattoo

#powergoyproblems

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47685919)



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Date: May 23rd, 2024 11:43 AM
Author: Soggy stead

powergoy as hell. I expected to see dbg as the OP, not someone who gives "free license" to someone to repair fences and veggie gardens lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47685938)



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Date: May 23rd, 2024 12:10 PM
Author: flirting pervert



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47685955)



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Date: May 23rd, 2024 11:36 AM
Author: aromatic mad-dog skullcap azn

Need more details surrounding the dispute

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47685921)



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Date: May 23rd, 2024 11:40 AM
Author: Histrionic juggernaut

He basically did not invoice me all of last summer and then hits me with a $10k bill for a bunch of shit I agreed to but he's clearly milking. The itemization on his invoice reflects that he is milking it. We also have no contract or written agreement in place.

He also sent a follow-up e-mail to that invoice indicating "I was just going to email you to tell you not to pay that, I realized there are a few things I double charged you for". He never sent an updated invoice reflecting these double charges.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47685931)



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Date: May 23rd, 2024 11:42 AM
Author: aromatic mad-dog skullcap azn

It’s good to nip these things in the bud (you can ask your gardener to explain this phrase) before they spiral out of control from being unsupervised for months on end

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47685935)



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Date: May 23rd, 2024 11:43 AM
Author: Histrionic juggernaut

Well I think he thinks I'm one of these people who doesn't care how much something costs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47685937)



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Date: May 23rd, 2024 11:39 AM
Author: 180 pontificating plaza partner

what makes you think your number is correct and his isn't?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47685927)



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Date: May 23rd, 2024 11:40 AM
Author: opaque zombie-like ticket booth

also why the fuck is he paying someone all this money to garden in the first place?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47685930)



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Date: May 23rd, 2024 11:42 AM
Author: Histrionic juggernaut

He built vegetable garden beds, replaced mulch, and other stuff I had no time to do last summer and wife was very pregnant so we needed help with the garden.

He also helped with power washing my house, guest house, garage and painting/sanding/washing a large wooden fence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47685936)



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Date: May 24th, 2024 12:40 PM
Author: filthy area

Just pay the man. You could offer him $3500 to fuck off, but if you approved the work just pay the bill bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47688477)



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Date: May 24th, 2024 1:01 PM
Author: ivory cracking field sneaky criminal



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47688511)



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Date: May 28th, 2024 4:31 PM
Author: light macaca den

sounds like $10k worth of work tbh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47698444)



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Date: May 28th, 2024 5:24 PM
Author: White Beady-eyed Dragon Property

At least

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47698614)



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Date: May 23rd, 2024 11:40 AM
Author: exciting hateful school



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47685932)



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Date: May 23rd, 2024 11:41 AM
Author: exciting hateful school

did you have a contract stating scope of work and cost? if there were change orders, were they approved in writing? something is off about the op.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47685933)



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Date: May 23rd, 2024 11:44 AM
Author: Histrionic juggernaut

No contract stating scope of work. He sent a proposal which I never responded to and everything subsequent to that was communicated verbally. I did not provide him with "free license", verbally or otherwise, and asked him to send monthly invoices, which he did not.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47685940)



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Date: May 23rd, 2024 12:00 PM
Author: Cerebral mauve boistinker

if he performed under the proposal and you accepted his services under the proposal, and the proposal reflects the larger amount, you lose IMO.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47685949)



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Date: May 24th, 2024 12:01 AM
Author: elite messiness resort

It's going to be a fact issue. Proposal + silence/acceptance of benefits creates a strong estoppel argument, but the contract (if one existed) isn't subject to the statute of frauds so nothing precludes OP from introducing subsequent oral discussions/modifications.

The most realistic scenario is that whatever the fuck they discussed is void for indefiniteness/absence of key terms, and the gardner can recover in quantum meruit for the fair market value of his work (which isn't whatever the fuck the gardner says).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47687609)



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Date: May 24th, 2024 12:14 AM
Author: Violent costumed piazza

gonna need an expert BIG GARDENING witness to straighten this all out

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47687635)



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Date: May 24th, 2024 12:51 PM
Author: gay lodge really tough guy

Why didn’t you respond to the proposal?

Did the proposal have a dollar amount on it and if so what was it?

Do you have your ignored requests for monthly invoices documented?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47688489)



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Date: May 23rd, 2024 11:58 AM
Author: Cerebral mauve boistinker

send him a check for $500 that says "for all outstanding invoices/work" in the memo line. if he cashes it you win. accord and satisfaction.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47685947)



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Date: May 23rd, 2024 12:51 PM
Author: flirting pervert



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47685995)



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Date: May 24th, 2024 12:44 PM
Author: misanthropic locus legal warrant



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47688479)



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Date: May 23rd, 2024 12:55 PM
Author: opaque zombie-like ticket booth

this is why everyone wants to murder lawyers and everyone is mostly right

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47686003)



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Date: May 23rd, 2024 11:22 PM
Author: flirting pervert

lawfare is fair game

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47687546)



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Date: May 23rd, 2024 11:37 PM
Author: Cerebral mauve boistinker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47687574)



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Date: May 24th, 2024 12:54 PM
Author: scarlet international law enforcement agency queen of the night



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47688496)



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Date: May 23rd, 2024 12:06 PM
Author: Spectacular fluffy mental disorder

how do you plan to respond

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47685950)



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Date: May 23rd, 2024 12:07 PM
Author: tripping menage

you sound like a scumbag tbh. you had every opportunity to pay him for the work as it was performed, or to stop the work the moment the price became too high. you are also a scumbag for not getting a contract in place and letting this prole work on your property without expecting to face this exact scenario. are you jewish btw?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47685951)



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Date: May 23rd, 2024 11:25 PM
Author: flirting pervert

The distinguishing factor here for me is whether the "person" he defrauded is a person in the human sense or the corporate sense. If he fucked over a small business, he's a piece of shit. If he's just being shrewd with a large contracting firm, then hey, that's the cost of doing business! That's what insurance is for!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47687557)



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Date: May 23rd, 2024 12:10 PM
Author: Mustard shrine police squad

Quantum meruit!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47685954)



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Date: May 23rd, 2024 12:55 PM
Author: Fragrant Navy Mood

i think if you got the benefit of the services, you should pay even if the invoice wasn't sent on time. If the invoice is padded, that's different. Surely, you know the extent of the work he did and how much time he and his guys spent on your property.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47686009)



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Date: May 24th, 2024 4:16 AM
Author: Excitant bawdyhouse

You went into the deal acting like a cool rich guy, uninterested in the finer details, and casually having another man work outdoors on your property for the entire summer, waiting until the very end to pull off your mask. There's fraud on both sides

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47687820)



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Date: May 28th, 2024 5:28 PM
Author: deranged indian lodge



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47698627)



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Date: May 24th, 2024 4:46 AM
Author: territorial nofapping french chef trailer park

beat his ass

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47687833)



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Date: May 24th, 2024 2:50 PM
Author: Khaki Nowag

I would def just do a Sam Hyde here and say "come kill me" and let him try to figure out the fact that he can try to get a lawyer, or small claims you, or whatever, but good luck ever collecting.

Get on a payment plan with some debt collector and then keep readjusting it and never actually pay more than like $5 while your gardener gets to stress over it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47688653)



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Date: May 24th, 2024 9:25 PM
Author: Excitant bawdyhouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47689556)



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Date: May 24th, 2024 2:51 PM
Author: zippy swashbuckling national

Pay the man, you odious kike.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47688655)



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Date: May 24th, 2024 2:59 PM
Author: scarlet international law enforcement agency queen of the night



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47688679)



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Date: May 24th, 2024 3:39 PM
Author: Mustard shrine police squad

Anyone who likes Tim Dillon is obviously extremely Jewish.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47688818)



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Date: May 24th, 2024 4:06 PM
Author: scarlet international law enforcement agency queen of the night

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47688934)



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Date: May 28th, 2024 4:34 PM
Author: purple sanctuary dysfunction

If this is in California and he’s not licensed you don’t have to pay one penny, no recourse according to the B&P code.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47698453)



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Date: May 28th, 2024 5:25 PM
Author: magical internal respiration rehab

no one lives in californina you dipshit. no one has ever even convinced me that it actually exists.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47698617)



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Date: May 28th, 2024 5:29 PM
Author: deranged indian lodge

That's for contracting work iirc. Rather doubt it includes landscaping.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47698629)



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Date: May 28th, 2024 5:30 PM
Author: deranged indian lodge

This is small claims jurisdiction. Ever been to small claims court? The guy will tell this to the judge, you'll say "yeah but that's too much" and the judge will say "just pay him, asshole. Judgment for plaintiff, plus court costs."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47698631)



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Date: May 28th, 2024 5:34 PM
Author: Adulterous Puce Trust Fund Box Office

who has ever been small claims court

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531827&forum_id=2#47698639)