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How hard is it to retool into trusts and estates solo attorney?

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crystalline range legal warrant
  07/20/20
easy as long as you're cool making a chill $40-50k for a whi...
Low-t hairless prole
  07/20/20
What’s first starting move? Pick up treatise and learn...
crystalline range legal warrant
  07/20/20
cr and maybe find a 75 yo old lawyer who's working his way o...
Low-t hairless prole
  07/20/20
i just did this. would love to hear from some t&e master...
Magical angry forum international law enforcement agency
  07/20/20
yeah need to learn that stuff, but big thing is getting a go...
federal gay wizard public bath
  07/21/20
Depends on how hard you're willing to work at business devel...
Talented doobsian philosopher-king roommate
  07/20/20
Say sub 6 feet height, but with a knack for charming olds. ...
crystalline range legal warrant
  07/20/20
No clue. Inhousemo here. I know almost nothing about T&a...
Talented doobsian philosopher-king roommate
  07/20/20
Hustle: wine and dine as many wealth managers and financial ...
federal gay wizard public bath
  07/21/20
If you're chasing high net worth clients, leave the treatise...
Internet-worthy state
  07/20/20
How much of T&E law is just plugin basic client informat...
Talented doobsian philosopher-king roommate
  07/20/20
That is 90% of it, the other 10% being waiting for them to d...
Internet-worthy state
  07/20/20
the whole estate planning around medicaid thing really make ...
Magical angry forum international law enforcement agency
  07/20/20
It's in the law, just like tax planning. I'd agree with you...
Internet-worthy state
  07/20/20
just give it to everyone
Magical angry forum international law enforcement agency
  07/20/20
That would be terrible for business, bro.
Internet-worthy state
  07/20/20
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Low-t hairless prole
  07/20/20
i was thinking the same thing until i dug a little bit into ...
Charismatic Theatre
  07/20/20
sounds cr. t&e seems like hell
Mildly autistic coffee pot
  07/21/20
Just learn to golf.
Exciting Amethyst Parlor Community Account
  07/21/20
How many months of self study should one do prior to seeking...
exhilarant apoplectic church
  07/21/20
Do you have a good grasp of property and wills? It isn't to...
Exciting Amethyst Parlor Community Account
  07/21/20
I took T&E in law school but forgot everything already. ...
exhilarant apoplectic church
  07/21/20
Just ask a shitlawyer you know to hook you up.
Exciting Amethyst Parlor Community Account
  07/21/20
Will try, ty
exhilarant apoplectic church
  07/21/20
build the malpractice defense costs into the fee because the...
Charismatic Theatre
  07/21/20
My firm does more estate work than anything else and we have...
Exciting Amethyst Parlor Community Account
  07/21/20
The fuck? T&E is a low malpractice risk area. Family law...
buff stain
  07/21/20
Also real estate because it’s mad easy to fuck up a ti...
buff stain
  07/21/20
T&E has the highest rates for malpractice insurance. ...
Exciting Amethyst Parlor Community Account
  07/22/20
I bet criminal gets a ton of bar complaints but the actual m...
Low-t hairless prole
  07/22/20
If a jury convicts a guy, I don't see how a malpractice case...
Exciting Amethyst Parlor Community Account
  07/22/20
This is flame right?
Puce appetizing faggotry mad-dog skullcap
  07/22/20
Not flame. Explain how a criminal malpractice case works.
Exciting Amethyst Parlor Community Account
  07/22/20
I guess you'd have to have a 6th amendment/gideon release an...
Low-t hairless prole
  07/22/20
Yeah, and that NEVER EVER happens.
Exciting Amethyst Parlor Community Account
  07/22/20
yeah the standard of proof on these is insane
Low-t hairless prole
  07/22/20
Your state bar association almost certainly has CLE material...
Internet-worthy state
  07/22/20
exactly. High net worth clients are a different animal. You ...
federal gay wizard public bath
  07/22/20


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Date: July 20th, 2020 4:05 PM
Author: crystalline range legal warrant



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4588601&forum_id=2#40635752)



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Date: July 20th, 2020 4:06 PM
Author: Low-t hairless prole

easy as long as you're cool making a chill $40-50k for a while

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4588601&forum_id=2#40635759)



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Date: July 20th, 2020 4:07 PM
Author: crystalline range legal warrant

What’s first starting move? Pick up treatise and learn trusts/estates?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4588601&forum_id=2#40635763)



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Date: July 20th, 2020 4:08 PM
Author: Low-t hairless prole

cr and maybe find a 75 yo old lawyer who's working his way out the door. there's a lot of those

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4588601&forum_id=2#40635767)



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Date: July 20th, 2020 4:08 PM
Author: Magical angry forum international law enforcement agency

i just did this. would love to hear from some t&e mastermen. i want to just do personal bankruptcies and t&e to get some steady income while a build up some fraud pi cases.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4588601&forum_id=2#40635770)



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Date: July 21st, 2020 12:06 PM
Author: federal gay wizard public bath

yeah need to learn that stuff, but big thing is getting a good forms bank from some lawyer. The shit you get off of westlaw is basic as fuck.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4588601&forum_id=2#40639273)



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Date: July 20th, 2020 4:08 PM
Author: Talented doobsian philosopher-king roommate

Depends on how hard you're willing to work at business development. If you're aspie and lazy, you're fucked.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4588601&forum_id=2#40635768)



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Date: July 20th, 2020 4:14 PM
Author: crystalline range legal warrant

Say sub 6 feet height, but with a knack for charming olds.

What's the hustle like / the practice like? Does one need to get a silent generation mentor to learn the craft from?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4588601&forum_id=2#40635789)



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Date: July 20th, 2020 4:16 PM
Author: Talented doobsian philosopher-king roommate

No clue. Inhousemo here.

I know almost nothing about T&E.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4588601&forum_id=2#40635800)



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Date: July 21st, 2020 12:09 PM
Author: federal gay wizard public bath

Hustle: wine and dine as many wealth managers and financial planners as you possible can. Give them a rate for a basic will and power of attorney package that is slightly cheaper than the going rate in your town. Focus on younger yuppie families with small children.

Find a great set of forms from somewhere, get a few trust and estate lawyer friends to bounce questions off of and occasionally ask for language (when your client wants something funky in their will)

Get to know a good accountant to send clients to, and to bounce tax questions off of related to trusts and stuff

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4588601&forum_id=2#40639285)



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Date: July 20th, 2020 4:12 PM
Author: Internet-worthy state

If you're chasing high net worth clients, leave the treatise at home and get good at golfing. If you're chasing middle class clients, learn the treatise, but more and more you will need to know elder law (Medicaid planning for long term care). Otherwise, your estate plan will fuck the client when the POA can't move assets for Medicaid or when one spouse dies and leaves money to the spouse who needs to get resources down for Medicaid.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4588601&forum_id=2#40635778)



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Date: July 20th, 2020 4:13 PM
Author: Talented doobsian philosopher-king roommate

How much of T&E law is just plugin basic client information into forms / templates?

I get the impression that's 90% of it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4588601&forum_id=2#40635784)



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Date: July 20th, 2020 4:15 PM
Author: Internet-worthy state

That is 90% of it, the other 10% being waiting for them to die so you can make real money on the estate administration. But changes in the law do happen and you need to update your documents. And basic shit like when to use a trust vs. a will. Gets a little more complicated if you handle a small family-owned business as part of the planning.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4588601&forum_id=2#40635797)



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Date: July 20th, 2020 4:13 PM
Author: Magical angry forum international law enforcement agency

the whole estate planning around medicaid thing really make me mad. such a fucking fraud world. just do m4a already, fuck.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4588601&forum_id=2#40635786)



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Date: July 20th, 2020 4:17 PM
Author: Internet-worthy state

It's in the law, just like tax planning. I'd agree with you if there were some other solution for the problem of how the fuck a middle class person will pay $11K a month for skilled nursing care.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4588601&forum_id=2#40635804)



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Date: July 20th, 2020 4:19 PM
Author: Magical angry forum international law enforcement agency

just give it to everyone

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4588601&forum_id=2#40635818)



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Date: July 20th, 2020 4:23 PM
Author: Internet-worthy state

That would be terrible for business, bro.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4588601&forum_id=2#40635838)



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Date: July 20th, 2020 4:24 PM
Author: Low-t hairless prole



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4588601&forum_id=2#40635841)



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Date: July 20th, 2020 4:26 PM
Author: Charismatic Theatre

i was thinking the same thing until i dug a little bit into malpractice.

T&E is mal heaven, and you are guaranteed to be fighting mal accusations at the end of every single case, over every single penny.

Seems more nightmarish than divorce, tbh. Who needs the fucking aggravation for shitlaw salary

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4588601&forum_id=2#40635849)



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Date: July 21st, 2020 12:12 PM
Author: Mildly autistic coffee pot

sounds cr. t&e seems like hell

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4588601&forum_id=2#40639302)



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Date: July 21st, 2020 12:00 PM
Author: Exciting Amethyst Parlor Community Account

Just learn to golf.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4588601&forum_id=2#40639242)



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Date: July 21st, 2020 12:15 PM
Author: exhilarant apoplectic church

How many months of self study should one do prior to seeking the first client (assuming you dont want to get sued for malpractice)?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4588601&forum_id=2#40639315)



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Date: July 21st, 2020 12:39 PM
Author: Exciting Amethyst Parlor Community Account

Do you have a good grasp of property and wills? It isn't too difficult to draw a will for a poor person.

If you are representing a PR in your first case you should probably work underneath an old lawyer for a bit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4588601&forum_id=2#40639418)



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Date: July 21st, 2020 12:40 PM
Author: exhilarant apoplectic church

I took T&E in law school but forgot everything already.

Fuck, dont have anyone to work off of. How do you find these old mentor lawyers?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4588601&forum_id=2#40639431)



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Date: July 21st, 2020 1:35 PM
Author: Exciting Amethyst Parlor Community Account

Just ask a shitlawyer you know to hook you up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4588601&forum_id=2#40639763)



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Date: July 21st, 2020 1:40 PM
Author: exhilarant apoplectic church

Will try, ty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4588601&forum_id=2#40639808)



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Date: July 21st, 2020 1:58 PM
Author: Charismatic Theatre

build the malpractice defense costs into the fee because they are coming, 100%. Its just stage 2 of the proceedings

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4588601&forum_id=2#40639946)



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Date: July 21st, 2020 7:14 PM
Author: Exciting Amethyst Parlor Community Account

My firm does more estate work than anything else and we have never had a scare. However insurance rates would suggest to the contrary.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4588601&forum_id=2#40641535)



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Date: July 21st, 2020 7:17 PM
Author: buff stain

The fuck? T&E is a low malpractice risk area. Family law and criminal are where most malpractice risk sits. T&E lawyers buy those $2000 practice guide sets and just recycle the forms for 30 years. There is no malpractice risk.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4588601&forum_id=2#40641557)



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Date: July 21st, 2020 7:18 PM
Author: buff stain

Also real estate because it’s mad easy to fuck up a title.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4588601&forum_id=2#40641562)



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Date: July 22nd, 2020 7:47 AM
Author: Exciting Amethyst Parlor Community Account

T&E has the highest rates for malpractice insurance.

I think you don't know what you are talking about if you think criminal has high malpractice risk. All your old clients are in prison, so who what are they going to do?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4588601&forum_id=2#40643580)



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Date: July 22nd, 2020 8:09 AM
Author: Low-t hairless prole

I bet criminal gets a ton of bar complaints but the actual malpractice risk is low. Who’s going to take on a malpractice case when you know there’s a 95% chance he was getting convicted anyway

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4588601&forum_id=2#40643610)



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Date: July 22nd, 2020 11:34 AM
Author: Exciting Amethyst Parlor Community Account

If a jury convicts a guy, I don't see how a malpractice case can even get by a 12b6 due to issue preclusion.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4588601&forum_id=2#40644303)



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Date: July 22nd, 2020 12:47 PM
Author: Puce appetizing faggotry mad-dog skullcap

This is flame right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4588601&forum_id=2#40644633)



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Date: July 22nd, 2020 1:07 PM
Author: Exciting Amethyst Parlor Community Account

Not flame. Explain how a criminal malpractice case works.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4588601&forum_id=2#40644714)



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Date: July 22nd, 2020 2:07 PM
Author: Low-t hairless prole

I guess you'd have to have a 6th amendment/gideon release and a finding of ineffective assistance first. I mean, no client is going to want to sue his lawyer from in jail anyway he's going to want to get out of jail first

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4588601&forum_id=2#40645001)



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Date: July 22nd, 2020 2:33 PM
Author: Exciting Amethyst Parlor Community Account

Yeah, and that NEVER EVER happens.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4588601&forum_id=2#40645159)



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Date: July 22nd, 2020 2:36 PM
Author: Low-t hairless prole

yeah the standard of proof on these is insane

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4588601&forum_id=2#40645171)



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Date: July 22nd, 2020 12:33 PM
Author: Internet-worthy state

Your state bar association almost certainly has CLE materials on the fundamentals, including templates. That will get you started, point you to the right title in your state statutes to learn, and help you know why the template says what it says. But seriously, if you are taking high net worth clients, you will need to learn tax issues and become familiar with the various kinds of trusts.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4588601&forum_id=2#40644586)



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Date: July 22nd, 2020 12:43 PM
Author: federal gay wizard public bath

exactly. High net worth clients are a different animal. You need advanced training in trusts and tax law.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4588601&forum_id=2#40644621)