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Date: July 5th, 2020 3:39 PM Author: burgundy high-end haunted graveyard rigpig pretty funny to watch them crave attention and then shut them down in exactly the same ways you felt they shut you down as a kid and see them react in anger and feigned surprise (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40550984) |
Date: July 5th, 2020 3:51 PM Author: Stimulating Associate Lodge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551001) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 3:53 PM Author: Floppy State (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551009) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 3:55 PM Author: burgundy high-end haunted graveyard rigpig (virtue signaler) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551023) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 3:55 PM Author: burgundy high-end haunted graveyard rigpig (virtue signaler) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551020) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 4:49 PM Author: ivory temple (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551274) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 4:50 PM Author: burgundy high-end haunted graveyard rigpig 9virtue signaler)
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Date: July 5th, 2020 5:02 PM Author: Green house liquid oxygen Jung would agree. See his topic The Shadow. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551335) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 6:08 PM Author: burgundy high-end haunted graveyard rigpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551624) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 3:52 PM Author: rose trust fund sad thread. Don’t have any memories of craving attention from parents and being shut down (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551006) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 3:52 PM Author: nubile heady location (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551007) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 3:55 PM Author: burgundy high-end haunted graveyard rigpig (virtue signaler) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551017) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 3:53 PM Author: arrogant razzle church knife (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551011) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 3:55 PM Author: burgundy high-end haunted graveyard rigpig (virtue signaler) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551018) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 3:55 PM Author: burgundy high-end haunted graveyard rigpig lmao sure bro. the only thing more pathetic than having to be the adult in your relationship with your parents is continuing to be the child by telling yourself a false narrative like you're doing right now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551016) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 4:04 PM Author: fragrant vengeful range idiot ethnic parents and white boomers have very little in common. way more likely to be overbearing than distant/absentee (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551048) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 4:04 PM Author: rose trust fund (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551051) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 4:09 PM Author: burgundy high-end haunted graveyard rigpig arent you 35 and still living in your parents house? strange how any relationship i have with my parents could be sadder than that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551068) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 4:12 PM Author: rose trust fund no I moved out a few years ago (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551080) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 4:18 PM Author: burgundy high-end haunted graveyard rigpig lol congrats (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551099) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 4:22 PM Author: rose trust fund ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551115) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 4:31 PM Author: doobsian step-uncle's house toilet seat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551176) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 4:07 PM Author: burgundy high-end haunted graveyard rigpig it was implied in the statement that having a distant parent is "sad" that his parent were healthy, as overbearing is just as unhealthy as distant. that is almost undoubtedly false, and the fact remains (indeed is bolstered by the fact that you're suggesting his parents were overbearing) that being an adult child to overbearing parents is more pathetic than being honest about a broken relationship. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551060) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 4:20 PM Author: rose trust fund The “lol it’s 180 seeing them suffer like I did” was the sad part. You’re reading too much into it. I Just can’t relate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551103) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 4:23 PM Author: burgundy high-end haunted graveyard rigpig you're doing precisely with my post what you're accusing me of doing in my relationship with my parents. no wonder, as projection of that sort is common with the type of moral superiority you're trying to hold over me in this thread, which you're using to keep yourself from facing the reality that you're still under the thumb of your parents. you would understand OP if you ever individualized away from them, but you havent, and you don't, and you're using your underdevelopment as a defense. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551125) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 4:28 PM Author: rose trust fund what a bunch of nonsense. im done with pumos (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551154) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 4:30 PM Author: burgundy high-end haunted graveyard rigpig you're a child, not a man, and thats obvious because youre in an unhappy marriage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551168) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 4:32 PM Author: doobsian step-uncle's house toilet seat Luis is the man (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551180) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 4:33 PM Author: burgundy high-end haunted graveyard rigpig lol obviously not (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551184) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 4:24 PM Author: disgusting school (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551130) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 4:25 PM Author: burgundy high-end haunted graveyard rigpig (virtue signaler)
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Date: July 5th, 2020 4:28 PM Author: Laughsome sienna institution boltzmann this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551153) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 4:28 PM Author: burgundy high-end haunted graveyard rigpig (virtue signaler)
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Date: July 5th, 2020 3:56 PM Author: multi-colored idea he suggested Not so much shutting them down but calling them out on playing some of the same games they used to chide me for (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551027) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 3:57 PM Author: burgundy high-end haunted graveyard rigpig woah man are you sure you're not poorly adjusted and had a sad childhood because you dont tell yourself a a fake narrative about your relationship with your parents to act superior over people that express their experiences honestly? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551029) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 4:02 PM Author: Vibrant marketing idea public bath The issue that I have with my parents isn't so much that either of us "needs" the other. It's just that when I try to draw boundaries to keep my children safe, they deliberately ignore my boundaries. Then, when I get upset, they act like I am being irrational and am crazy. It's almost pathological. The key is to just draw boundaries and if they choose not to follow them, pack up my kids and leave. They've got more to lose than I do. I've got all the high cards in this particular hand. |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 4:04 PM Author: burgundy high-end haunted graveyard rigpig right, that's the power shift and is why old people die alone. their failure to develop a healthy relationship with their child causes intergenerational problems later in life, because they can't take feedback. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551055) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 9:12 PM Author: beady-eyed party of the first part site cr, and they deserve to die alone (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40552551) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 4:20 PM Author: bull headed depressive striped hyena grr hate dad! lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551102) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 4:20 PM Author: burgundy high-end haunted graveyard rigpig you dont have a job (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551105) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 4:23 PM Author: bull headed depressive striped hyena scale of 1-10 how proud are you of having a job and hating your parents? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551124) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 4:24 PM Author: burgundy high-end haunted graveyard rigpig you and your father are both failures (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551128) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 4:24 PM Author: bull headed depressive striped hyena what did we fail at? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551132) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 4:25 PM Author: burgundy high-end haunted graveyard rigpig youre 30 and dont have a job (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551134) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 4:26 PM Author: bull headed depressive striped hyena how is this failing? people like you pay for my shit and then ragepoast about your parents. youre also dumber than me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551139) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 4:27 PM Author: burgundy high-end haunted graveyard rigpig you live with your parents and have nothing insightful to say, i get it now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551149) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 4:29 PM Author: bull headed depressive striped hyena what insight are you looking for? i made fun of you for hating your parents and then you just got bitter and angry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551162) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 4:29 PM Author: burgundy high-end haunted graveyard rigpig good god how insure you must be in yourself (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551163) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 4:31 PM Author: bull headed depressive striped hyena my dads pay for my insurance (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551175) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 4:33 PM Author: burgundy high-end haunted graveyard rigpig you dont understand grown up parent relationship issues because you're not a grown up (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551181) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 4:34 PM Author: bull headed depressive striped hyena i think youre just weirdly bitter about your dad for some reason
and yeah i don’t understand what its like to take care of your parents because im not 50 |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 4:35 PM Author: burgundy high-end haunted graveyard rigpig holy fuck ur a child (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551195) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 4:36 PM Author: bull headed depressive striped hyena thanks for the input, manly man poasting gleefully about denying his parents the attention he never got (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551208) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 4:37 PM Author: burgundy high-end haunted graveyard rigpig again, you don't remotely understand what it means to manage a relationship with your parents as an adult and the inevitability of the cycle of relationship distortions, because you dont see any, because youre still a child (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551217) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 4:39 PM Author: bull headed depressive striped hyena do you love your parents? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551225) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 4:40 PM Author: burgundy high-end haunted graveyard rigpig fuck off little boy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551233) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 5:00 PM Author: bull headed depressive striped hyena lol
im sorry i just feel bad for you and i hope somehow you end up with a better relationship with your parents |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 6:09 PM Author: burgundy high-end haunted graveyard rigpig not remotely aware of how someone in such obvious circumstantial depravity could muster the moralistic will to pass judgement in such a fashion (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551627) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 6:48 PM Author: bull headed depressive striped hyena i can say i love my parents and you cant—if i couldnt it would make me sad. not being judgemental. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551852) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 6:49 PM Author: burgundy high-end haunted graveyard rigpig once you stop breastfeeding the hormone induced bonding will level off (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551856) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 6:12 PM Author: onyx reading party (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551643) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 6:13 PM Author: burgundy high-end haunted graveyard rigpig (literal child) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551649) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 4:28 PM Author: bright cracking library macaca lol @ OP (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551152) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 4:28 PM Author: burgundy high-end haunted graveyard rigpig pathetic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551156) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 4:45 PM Author: transparent patrolman crlol. unhinged (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551255) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 4:46 PM Author: burgundy high-end haunted graveyard rigpig (virtue signaler)
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Date: July 5th, 2020 6:11 PM Author: onyx reading party (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551638) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 6:11 PM Author: burgundy high-end haunted graveyard rigpig (literal child) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551639) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 6:13 PM Author: onyx reading party Lol at how MAF u are. Go suck on a pacifier (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551646) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 6:14 PM Author: burgundy high-end haunted graveyard rigpig makes no sense except in so far as you are exhibiting the exact defense mechanism I detail above, but when you get older, move out of your parents house and start to think for yourself, you might understand. that might never happen for you though, given the depths of your immaturity (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551651) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 6:13 PM Author: orchid property (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551648) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 6:14 PM Author: burgundy high-end haunted graveyard rigpig (literal child) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551653) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 4:49 PM Author: Dashing Ape Yeah, super sad. Soon we'll be getting "is this the right time to euthanize them" threads on XO... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551270) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 6:15 PM Author: burgundy high-end haunted graveyard rigpig why do you keep posting. youd think youd get embarrassed at some point and retire (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551657) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 6:16 PM Author: Dashing Ape ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551661) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 6:23 PM Author: burgundy high-end haunted graveyard rigpig your impotent flippancy is why you can't father a child (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551708) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 6:35 PM Author: Dashing Ape If that were true all of XO would be childless. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551774) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 6:36 PM Author: burgundy high-end haunted graveyard rigpig no just you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551779) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 6:38 PM Author: Dashing Ape Did we date or something? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551798) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 6:39 PM Author: burgundy high-end haunted graveyard rigpig fuck off (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551801) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 6:39 PM Author: Dashing Ape *rubs beard and gets worried* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551807) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 5:54 PM Author: beady-eyed party of the first part site I was thinking the same thing today. My inlaws have been kissing our asses to see their grandkids since we gave them grandkids, even though they have been dickbags to us for years. Funny how the tables have turned. Maybe they should have been nicer to us before. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551547) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 6:11 PM Author: burgundy high-end haunted graveyard rigpig lmao at all the baby grown ups itt who think this is some kind of abominable experience - its the experience of adulthood sin qua non (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551635) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 8:55 PM Author: beady-eyed party of the first part site cr, lots of olds deserve the silent treatment in old age. it's hilarious watching the tables turn. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40552487) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 6:14 PM Author: orchid property What did they do to be dickbags (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551650) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 8:52 PM Author: beady-eyed party of the first part site copied our house key without telling us, treated my family like shit at our wedding even though my parents paid for most of it, said nasty shit about my sibling, put me down constantly about various things, been generally condescending and uppity, super controlling at family get togethers - constantly need everything to go their way 100% of the time
it's 180 how they are begging for attention in their old age, lmao losers. they should have been nice to us before they needed attention as old farts that nobody cares about. |
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Date: July 6th, 2020 4:51 AM Author: ivory temple so original (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40554247) |
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Date: July 6th, 2020 8:11 AM Author: translucent sexy sanctuary holy shit what fucking monsters! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40554438) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 6:19 PM Author: up-to-no-good piazza Mm yeah great thread for a Sunday night at the end of a 3-day weekend (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551677) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 6:25 PM Author: doobsian step-uncle's house toilet seat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551718) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 6:29 PM Author: Pungent crackhouse op is a shitlib— huge surprise (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551738) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 6:33 PM Author: burgundy high-end haunted graveyard rigpig you fucking faggot you literally can't put reality into anything but a retarted political binary lmfao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551757) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 6:37 PM Author: Pungent crackhouse i love my parents. sorry shitlib. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551788) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 6:38 PM Author: burgundy high-end haunted graveyard rigpig literal fucking infectious garbage trash ideological reply (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551795) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 6:40 PM Author: Pungent crackhouse i am sad my parents are declining. sorry you root for the opposite for your parents. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551808) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 6:40 PM Author: burgundy high-end haunted graveyard rigpig roffle at your retarted moralizing pivot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551815) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 6:42 PM Author: Pungent crackhouse you seem a little riled up. deep breaths. your parents will be dead soon and you will finally be “free” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551823) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 6:42 PM Author: burgundy high-end haunted graveyard rigpig you're dumb as fuck dude no offense (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551826) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 6:45 PM Author: Pungent crackhouse maybe. i gotta go though, my wife’s parents are over for dinner. me, my three kids, wife and inlaws are going to have a nice dinner cooked by me on the grill. what are you up to tonight pumo? lmao |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 6:47 PM Author: burgundy high-end haunted graveyard rigpig shit of all the stupid moralizing self aggrandizing retards in this thread, you are the stupidest moralizing self aggrandizing retard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40551850) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 11:58 PM Author: bull headed depressive striped hyena (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40553541) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 8:57 PM Author: Aphrodisiac area genital piercing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40552497) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 9:14 PM Author: irradiated stage son of senegal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40552556) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 9:22 PM Author: burgundy high-end haunted graveyard rigpig lol at working 30 years of shit out. Just pretend it’s not real (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40552584) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 11:40 PM Author: beady-eyed party of the first part site (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40553396) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 11:41 PM Author: beady-eyed party of the first part site (guy with no parental issues)
it's not that simple. lots of times these people get worse in old age, because old age exacerbates their personality flaws. |
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Date: July 6th, 2020 12:06 AM Author: Mauve shrine 180
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Date: July 6th, 2020 8:14 AM Author: translucent sexy sanctuary lol at the MAF faggot OP. Fyi, your parents still have the upper hand over you if they still get you this enraged. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577124&forum_id=2#40554443) |