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Partner: ur best shot is of counsel here as a brief writer
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Date: May 26th, 2012 4:00 PM Author: boyish bright brunch I asked him what my end game is here because the firm hasn't made anyone partner in the la office infour years, there are several 11nth + year associates at the firm ahead of me in the queue and all I do now is just write briefs and motions-zero case management, zero discovery, zero trial, 100% full aspie shut in sitting on westlaw in my office all day long.
I am not gonna stand out as a the top brief guy if I go to Palo alto firm. But i enjoy that rep now here. So partner said my best bet is, stick it out here, bill 2k a year, and carve out a niche as the brief writing guru, and I can try and snag of counsel here.
Otherwise go to the more prestigious firm, do appellate or whatever, not stand out and not make partner and be another homeless ex biglaw associate in a few years scraping by at some shut boutique.
Partner also said everyone has low hours this year, and just try to get to 1600 or so.
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Date: May 26th, 2012 4:03 PM Author: Silver misunderstood internal respiration did u bomb ur AUSA interviews bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20770902) |
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Date: May 26th, 2012 4:04 PM Author: boyish bright brunch I haven't heard from the ausa office since they checked my references!!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20770909) |
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Date: May 29th, 2012 12:13 AM Author: Sick electric bbw site c&f issues bro? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20784374) |
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Date: May 26th, 2012 4:03 PM Author: lascivious ivory resort boomers are lying to you
beyond that idk |
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Date: May 26th, 2012 4:06 PM Author: boyish bright brunch Yeah prolly right about that. But at least he didnt say, "bill 3000 hours and you'll make partner here." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20770916) |
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Date: May 26th, 2012 4:07 PM Author: lascivious ivory resort if you're going to "lateral" to a more prestigious firm then why not do that? tell the partner if they want to keep you they can of counsel you this year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20770926) |
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Date: May 26th, 2012 4:11 PM Author: boyish bright brunch Because more prestige is new pressure and other smart associates to compete against. I already quit a prestigious firm to go to current firm because I had a problem coping with the high expectations. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20770963) |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 6:01 PM Author: flatulent chad famous landscape painting This. This partner sounds like he is at least giving you some version of reality. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20782131) |
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Date: May 26th, 2012 4:05 PM Author: Aromatic fortuitous meteor what would you make as counsel? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20770913) |
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Date: May 26th, 2012 4:06 PM Author: boyish bright brunch What? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20770920) |
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Date: May 26th, 2012 4:07 PM Author: Aromatic fortuitous meteor sorry, question was unclear. what kind of money would you make? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20770931) |
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Date: May 26th, 2012 4:09 PM Author: boyish bright brunch Same base, $250k. But rent in PA is much higher. Of counsel at current firm probably make $300k or so. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20770944) |
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Date: May 26th, 2012 4:11 PM Author: Soul-stirring Twinkling French Chef 300k surfing westlaw all day everyday dont sound too bad man (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20770954) |
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Date: May 26th, 2012 4:12 PM Author: boyish bright brunch Yeah, but is it just a boomer lie to keep me here? Hard to tell. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20770968) |
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Date: May 26th, 2012 4:26 PM Author: tan whorehouse Nothing lasts forever, and we both know hearts can change. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20771068) |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 12:28 AM Author: Jet-lagged Public Bath Cuckoldry ==> best guitar solo ever (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20779077) |
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Date: May 26th, 2012 4:05 PM Author: Soul-stirring Twinkling French Chef go to moar prestigious firm and keepy applying to ausa jobs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20770914) |
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Date: May 26th, 2012 4:08 PM Author: boyish bright brunch More prestigious firm = more screamers, higher expectations, more stress, and more likelihood I quit in a huff. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20770933) |
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Date: May 26th, 2012 4:48 PM Author: Claret razzle athletic conference school cafeteria Greetings, If you're an 11th year, you're sitting on net wealth in excess of a mil, right? And you're only 35-36? |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 12:22 PM Author: boyish bright brunch each additional year of biglaw is worth at least $265K, so pretax $1.325mm. presumably i could save a big chunk of that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20780479) |
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Date: May 26th, 2012 4:07 PM Author: wine vengeful mental disorder legal warrant sounds like a boring existence
im basically bigfed and this is all i do too, but for half your pay |
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Date: May 26th, 2012 4:09 PM Author: lemon gaping den go solo you fucking beta. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20770941) |
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Date: May 26th, 2012 4:13 PM Author: boyish bright brunch I am beta and risk averse, I can't function in shitlaw or a boutique where I need to generate my own business. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20770976) |
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Date: May 26th, 2012 4:17 PM Author: lemon gaping den sounds like aspie brief writer suits you well. what are you complaining about? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20771002) |
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Date: May 26th, 2012 4:22 PM Author: boyish bright brunch Yea but I don't know how realistic it is to carve myself out a niche as a brief writer here. It would really depend on my current partner debelopiv his own book to feed, or other partners willing to use me as a brief writer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20771045) |
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Date: May 26th, 2012 4:18 PM Author: Frozen frisky tank matching the partner's assessment of you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20771014) |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 12:23 PM Author: boyish bright brunch yea (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20780481) |
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Date: May 26th, 2012 4:14 PM Author: Glittery chapel generalized bond tcr. how can u have been there so long and not have a book big enough to support yourself on your own? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20770985) |
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Date: May 26th, 2012 4:20 PM Author: boyish bright brunch 99% of biglaw associates don't have a book of business. My. Partner. Doesn't even have one, he is a service partner for a big player in new York. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20771035) |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 6:02 PM Author: flatulent chad famous landscape painting Basement virgin. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20782138) |
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Date: May 26th, 2012 4:14 PM Author: Insanely creepy new version parlour so what's the point of going to palo alto again? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20770981) |
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Date: May 26th, 2012 4:19 PM Author: boyish bright brunch Because I don't feel appreciated enough at current firm, I am not challenged to do my best work, there is no dedicated appellate practice here, I am not learning how to run cases or do what senior associates are supposed to know how to do, the main partner I work for is not a rainmaker and I have my doubts he can continue to support me long term, this of counsel firm brief writer thing i am suspicious how feasible it is, more prestigious firm presumably gives me better shot at Ausa or in house, and at least I will be learning stuff. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20771024) |
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Date: May 26th, 2012 4:21 PM Author: Insanely creepy new version parlour you're not going to learn anything at the palo firm, are you? how do you "run" an appellate case? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20771038) |
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Date: May 26th, 2012 4:25 PM Author: boyish bright brunch To be fair, as I typed out all those reasons I thought to myself, these don't seem very compelling for the risk I am taking of giving up a very easy $250k job.
I would work for very smart partners on more complex appeals, I feel like my writing etc would improve. And the office said if I want to take on a blended role and do commercial lit so I relearn those skills, they will let me.
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Date: May 26th, 2012 4:27 PM Author: Insanely creepy new version parlour I guess if it were me I'd run to the firm where the more complex work was, but I'm a law nerd (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20771070) |
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Date: May 26th, 2012 4:39 PM Author: boyish bright brunch At the cost of more stress, higher expectations? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20771146) |
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Date: May 26th, 2012 4:50 PM Author: Claret razzle athletic conference school cafeteria Greetings, So you're 35 and strongly considering coasting without improving your skills or expanding your work experience until retirement? Sounds like you're sort of dead already. GC friend of mine once told me: you should change your job when you stop learning new things. |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 6:30 PM Author: Slap-happy Circlehead Lodge yeah i don't understand the approach to life here. he's THAT terrified of a new challenge?
people deal with this hit constantly , just man up. sounds like you'll do just fine mr night elf |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 6:53 PM Author: boyish bright brunch i was at a pressure cooker law firm before with high expectations and hated life. at least at my new firm, i am not miserable. no all nighters, very few late nights, the work is easy and usually stress free. "not miserable" is often best people can say about a biglaw firm life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20782355) |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 8:24 PM Author: comical gas station brethren these are also good points. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20782707) |
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Date: May 27th, 2012 12:41 PM Author: Insanely creepy new version parlour yeah, but that's just me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20775483) |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 9:00 PM Author: alcoholic point juggernaut you realize if you want to learn how to run cases u are going to have to step outside your beta writing-only comfort zone, right? have you taken any depos and shit? could you do that? would you even want to? plus a lot more client contact, etc etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20782812) |
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Date: May 29th, 2012 11:43 AM Author: wonderful volcanic crater rehab The first thing you need to do is start broadening your sources of work at your current firm. How long have you been there? Someone's got to be busy. Find out who and offer your services. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20786197) |
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Date: May 29th, 2012 11:52 AM Author: boyish bright brunch managing partner of lit in our office has work by default -- other offices call him when they need l.a. counsel -- but a junior associate told me the partner said he would never give me work because he views me as the bitch associate of the other partner, and that I would never prioritize his work over my partner's. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20786272) |
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Date: May 29th, 2012 11:55 AM Author: ruby geriatric ceo church so the managing partner of your office doesn't even respect you? you obviously have no future at this firm and you're definitely not going to be made of counsel. if you aren't going to take the palo alto job, you should at least look for something else. how difficult is it to find another litigation associate position in l.a.? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20786289) |
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Date: May 29th, 2012 12:37 PM Author: boyish bright brunch the managing partner doesn't really run any of his own cases and just divvies them out to his pet associates. Unfortunately I am not one of them and I am not sure if I can be. He has no serious power at the firm anymore despite the title, and cannot really make or break anyone's career here anymore, but yeah, with him not liking me, of counsel is even less likely.
Now that I have thought about it more, I care less about securing of counsel and more about just maximizing my time in biglaw so I make as much money as possible. |
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Date: May 29th, 2012 12:03 PM Author: wonderful volcanic crater rehab Well, maybe if you talk to him (or someone else) yourself, you can convince them that you really do want some work and will work hard on it.
Obviously, if you get it, you need to do a good, fast job. |
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Date: May 26th, 2012 4:35 PM Author: opaque galvanic area trump supporter just curious, how many of counsels have you come across that are a "go to brief writer" in their firm? is this an actual thing in law firms? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20771123) |
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Date: May 26th, 2012 4:39 PM Author: boyish bright brunch I know a couple but it is extremely rare, and both are very old guys. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20771142) |
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Date: May 26th, 2012 4:41 PM Author: opaque galvanic area trump supporter yeah man this sounds risky. so you become this guy and then what? you're stuck doing that for the next 20-30 years? what happens if your firm goes under or you get laid off, etc. sounds like the only good thing is an immediate niche but then what? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20771151) |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 12:24 PM Author: boyish bright brunch yeah, this is true, if my firm goes dewey, ill be fucked (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20780487) |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 9:01 PM Author: alcoholic point juggernaut i know one, but honestly it isn't ideal and is incredibly inefficient. having to review the entire case and get up to par on facts, etc. takes a ton of hours. easier to have someone who is already well versed w/ the case just write the brief. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20782821) |
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Date: May 26th, 2012 4:48 PM Author: painfully honest jap theater stage you *will* be fired where you are. very very soon. "oh just do 1600 this year no one is doing more" youre an idiot if you dont jump ship. |
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Date: May 26th, 2012 6:02 PM Author: curious balding digit ratio CR. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20771666) |
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Date: May 27th, 2012 12:32 PM Author: boyish bright brunch partner said i'd be fine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20775452) |
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Date: May 27th, 2012 12:59 PM Author: Sienna arousing trust fund just do restatement sec 90 bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20775573) |
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Date: May 27th, 2012 1:42 PM Author: Massive stimulating menage hairy legs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20775736) |
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Date: May 29th, 2012 11:13 AM Author: Irradiated dilemma main people He'll say "sorry, unfortunately the business climate is worse than he thought, blah blah blah, not personal, blah blah blah, you're still a great associate and he is confident that you'll have a great future..." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20786013) |
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Date: May 29th, 2012 11:12 AM Author: Irradiated dilemma main people tcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20786006) |
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Date: May 27th, 2012 12:14 PM Author: boyish bright brunch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20775367) |
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Date: May 27th, 2012 12:40 PM Author: ruby geriatric ceo church why would you bother believing a partner that has no clout? take the other job, get some skillz and go in-house or bigfed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20775480) |
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Date: May 27th, 2012 12:51 PM Author: boyish bright brunch i guess the problem is that i want to believe him because i am not that excited about palo alto and this new job. i dont want to take a job im not excited about (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20775532) |
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Date: May 27th, 2012 12:56 PM Author: Insanely creepy new version parlour if only you had a smart gf instead of some hot banddood fucker to discuss this with (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20775560) |
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Date: May 27th, 2012 1:35 PM Author: alcoholic point juggernaut shit 1600? is there really no work? at the end of every day, just start padding your hours until you hit 8 hours. boom 2k hours. DO NOT LEAVE FOR HOME UNTIL U CAN SAY U BILLED 8 HOURS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20775715) |
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Date: May 27th, 2012 8:57 PM Author: boyish bright brunch Lol 8 hours a day and I'd still be fucked (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20777891) |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 5:43 PM Author: alcoholic point juggernaut 2k is respectable, 1600 is seriously slacking mode (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20782027) |
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Date: May 27th, 2012 1:44 PM Author: well-lubricated son of senegal theater CLASSIC shitboomer ploy bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20775737) |
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Date: May 27th, 2012 9:00 PM Author: lascivious ivory resort cr.
"hey, this is your best shot at making counsel. oh, and i think 1600 will be fine."
[6 months later]
"yeah, it's not working out. i fought for you, but your billables aren't very high and you really don't do much besides write memos. it was a tough choice but we had to let you go." |
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Date: May 27th, 2012 11:41 PM Author: Ultramarine Provocative Orchestra Pit Messiness I had a convo like this w/ my Judge the other day.
Before she took the bench she was a Partner at a BIGLAW firm in the nearby BIG CITY of our jurisdiction.
In our current city her old firm has a satelittle office so she still keeps in touch w/ the people there.
She was telling me of a particular associate there who she thinks fondly of and has been there for 7 years. Unfortunately, she said that he has a snowball's chance in hell at making partnership b/c all he does is write briefs for Partners in the D.C. office.
She was telling me as a cautionary tale how important it is to always develop new skills for my career and not count on my current job to take care of me.
I say all that to say that YOU ARE FUCKT if you stay there in "HOAP" of making Of Counsel and becoming the "go to" guy for briefs.
Shit, they could easily go to local counsel for that shit or just hire a small firm that does appellate work to handle their brief writing.
LOOK OUT FOR YOUR OWN CAREER, it doesn't sound like that Partner will do it for you. |
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Date: May 27th, 2012 11:43 PM Author: Contagious sneaky criminal i don't think you know what local counsel means, breh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20778845) |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 12:09 AM Author: Ultramarine Provocative Orchestra Pit Messiness Please STFU.
If you are going to comment, at least do so regarding the substance of my reply.
Don't look for stupid shit to nit-pick like a dumb little faggot.
EDIT:
DIAF |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 1:03 AM Author: Contagious sneaky criminal (mad as fuck little breh with no clerkship) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20779231) |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 1:23 AM Author: Ultramarine Provocative Orchestra Pit Messiness Of course I don't have a clerkship, asshole.
I'M A PRACTICING ATTORNEY!
Please gas self. |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 1:31 AM Author: Charismatic stubborn nursing home This made sense up to the part about local counsel writing briefs. Then it was clear you have no idea what you're talking about. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20779349) |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 11:52 AM Author: Orchid Floppy Station What the fuck does that have to do with everything else he wrote?
I swear you aspie dickwads look for anything to criticize somebody over.
JFC |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 1:46 PM Author: Contagious sneaky criminal Saying just do local counsel writing your briefs makes absolutely zero sense. It's not a nitpicked typo, it's that it shows this guy has no idea what he's talking about and no idea what local counsel does. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20780825) |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 4:40 PM Author: Orchid Floppy Station No, it just shows that you like being an asshole over a small point.
JFC
CONGRATS BRO, YOU TOTALLY PWN'D SOLAW BY POINTING OUT THAT LOCAL COUNSEL DOESN'T DRAFT BRIEFS!
HOLY SHIT, YOU ARE SUCH A 180 ALPHA LITIGATOR!
Are you happy now that you've won this internet debate? |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 6:05 PM Author: Cerebral incel partner (mentally ill) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20782147) |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 6:33 PM Author: Slap-happy Circlehead Lodge lol, also, i've seen local counsel draft briefs, do all kinds of shit, depending on the relationship (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20782272) |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 12:26 PM Author: boyish bright brunch yeah this seems mostly true. but somehow i feel like ok about milking my current situation and getting in 12-18 months. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20780497) |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 12:51 PM Author: Ultramarine Provocative Orchestra Pit Messiness Ok, but what are you going to do in 12-18 months? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20780570) |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 1:44 PM Author: boyish bright brunch Hopefully AUSA by then (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20780813) |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 4:43 PM Author: Orchid Floppy Station If you wanna do AUSA, then why do you care about your standing in the firm long-term?
Can't you just coast-by until the AUSA has an opening and then just leave regardless of what you do w/ this firm? |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 5:23 PM Author: boyish bright brunch Yes although ausa jobs are so far and few between, I'm not sure how mch I can count on landing sonething before my current firm spits me out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20781944) |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 7:38 PM Author: shaky associate laser beams Out of curiosity, do you have an in at a USAO? I find it shocking how many strivers assume they will get AUSA gigs in their lifetime, let alone within the next few years when it's convenient to exit their current firm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20782517) |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 7:42 PM Author: boyish bright brunch nope. im not assuming i will get ausa, i am just hoping, that would be the outcome after 12-18 months at current firm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20782535) |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 12:27 PM Author: boyish bright brunch cot damn, idk what to do. PA sucks and I really dont want to throw myself into the fire again (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20780499) |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 2:01 PM Author: Haunting bat-shit-crazy garrison Trial work is declining for major commercial litigations. Litigation at big firms is moving towards the specialization of tasks. I don't see anything wrong with concentrating on brief writing and research. Brief writing is incredibly important especially considering that this is how most opposing counsel, clients, and judges develop their opinion of a particular lawyer or firm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20780888) |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 4:52 PM Author: garnet razzmatazz depressive hall not sure why you are considering PA. first off, LOLFL at an associate not feeling appreciated. seriously man, you're just pretty ok at a specific thing that is completely useless outside of a very specific context, and don't forget they could replace you with ease. you're a white collar drone - nobody is ever going to seriously 'appreciate' you, so grow the fuck up. you're an employee, not a special person who they should give more than a passing shit about.
second, you already missed the bus for becoming some kind of biglaw 'player' who is running cases or making deals. you are a self-admitted asptard who is more comfortable sitting around alone all day. you're not suddenly going to manifest the personality and skill set that would make you successful in other roles, and your superiors probably realized you weren't cut out for it long ago.
work at your current place for 5-6 more years, save a lot, then jump ship to somewhere shittier but with less hours. spend your 40s traveling a lot, raising the kids, and otherwise generally having a life. release your striver anxiety and just feel grateful that you didn't wash out in 3 years like so many, in which case you would not only have much less money to sit on, but you would have been forced into a market where your beta personality and lack of personal ability would have been put on display. |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 5:22 PM Author: boyish bright brunch Ok, but I may not have 5-6 years. As others have mentioned, because of my low billables and dependency on one service partner, i am at risk of being fired. 12-18 months is a more likely scenario. The other firm gives me probably at least an additional six months of biglaw pay on top of that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20781939) |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 8:36 PM Author: garnet razzmatazz depressive hall relocating entirely is worth another six months? man, you have weird priorities. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20782759) |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 9:40 PM Author: boyish bright brunch im talking worst case scenario at current firm vs worst case scenario at new firm is probably ~6 months more biglaw $ at new firm, which at my current salary, net of tax, is about $75,000 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20783001) |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 4:55 PM Author: french stage not sure how you think some partners will make you better brief writers. presumably you have google scholar and a litany of briefs needing responses to. let the judge's opinions/orders mentor you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20781842) |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 5:25 PM Author: Metal alcoholic ladyboy boltzmann enjoy unemployment faggot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20781950) |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 5:33 PM Author: Excitant giraffe church building you really need to figure out how to run your own shit. Even being an of counsel brief writer sounds like zero job security (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20781988) |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 6:32 PM Author: flatulent chad famous landscape painting Yeah, after six months they will be like oh hey elf, work with bob the 2nd year on these briefs. And then six months later Bob is doing the briefs for half the cost of Elf. And elf is pwned. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20782268) |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 6:54 PM Author: boyish bright brunch yeah, this is true (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20782358) |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 7:01 PM Author: flatulent chad famous landscape painting The problem with biglaw is that you rarely get credit for doing qualitatively impressive shit. It's all numbers. Brief writing is too subjective. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20782391) |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 7:42 PM Author: boyish bright brunch yeah plus we do so much run of the mill stupid shit at my bottom tier firm it really doesnt require quality (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20782538) |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 9:05 PM Author: alcoholic point juggernaut ding ding ding. very little in law requires more than "good enough". it's really a shame so many otherwise intelligent people picked law (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20782839) |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 9:07 PM Author: alcoholic point juggernaut an aspie isn't going to ever be able to run his own shit completely. there's no way some aspie is going to be able to take anything all the way through trial. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20782847) |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 6:09 PM Author: flatulent chad famous landscape painting The pro of going to the new firm is that you have a chance to recreate yourself. No one knows you there, so you can reset your reality. On the other hand, sounds like you are in a comfortable rut. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20782164) |
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Date: May 29th, 2012 10:51 AM Author: boyish bright brunch any weekday crew want to weigh in? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20785887) |
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Date: May 29th, 2012 10:57 AM Author: Sapphire Sadistic Meetinghouse Toaster Yeah. Upgrade to a new job son. You have enough in savings (I'm assuming) to take a bit of long term risk. Your new job would give you an extension of security. Either way you'll get booted, but with the new one you have a couple of extra months...plus the ability to acquire new skills, and perhaps maybe a contact/client or two. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20785919) |
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Date: May 29th, 2012 11:13 AM Author: Irradiated dilemma main people You're an idiot if you let your alternative offer lapse. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20786016) |
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Date: May 29th, 2012 12:39 PM Author: boyish bright brunch yes maybe, or i can milk it here another 12 months and just let shit happen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20786565) |
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Date: May 31st, 2012 10:42 PM Author: Up-to-no-good khaki twinkling uncleanness karate ITT we meet the type of guy that secretly wants to watch others fuck his wife. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20802644) |
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Date: May 31st, 2012 11:02 PM Author: boyish bright brunch mean (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1957259&forum_id=2#20802794) |