Is it stupid to pay for an elite prep school for kids if UMC?
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Date: May 21st, 2024 5:08 PM Author: splenetic area wrinkle
Dear friend,
Is the school a boarding school preferably in the Eight Schools Association OR is it a NYC Ivy Prep? Or is it Loyola NYC (NOT regis)?
If so, yes. Even white UMC
If not, no. And laughable
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Date: May 21st, 2024 5:34 PM Author: Spectacular half-breed
It’s a school that places at that level in terms of T10 UGs but not one of the ones you named. This does make me suspicious that the explanation for their results is not academics and is much more rich people asserting megadonor privileges.
Another point in this debate is the wild ultra shitlib stuff that all of these kinds of schools have been caught doing recently including the specific one I have in mind. That may be a good enough reason by itself to avoid the elite prep school path.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47680906)
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Date: May 22nd, 2024 1:52 PM Author: splenetic area wrinkle
I rent an apartment for my second, younger gf and opened a second CC for her. She's raising our boy fine
No legal action (yet)
Her parents LOVE how she's being taken care of.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47683573) |
Date: May 21st, 2024 8:23 PM Author: Diverse chad garrison
A couple thoughts.
Wife and I were privately educated from K-12, and I also went to a boarding school. We both ended up at an elite Ivy where we met. We vaguely assumed kids would also go to private schools but as life has turned out, we ended up in one of the best school districts in California while the local prep schools have gone extremely woke, much woker than our local public schools. Which have been fine. More than fine, actually. Kids are doing well and are properly challenged. I like their friends, I like their teachers. Most grads go to to UC/Cal State/Arizona schools but a decent cohort goes east to both LACs and Ivies and Hopkins/Vanderbilt/WUSTL etc. Plans to eventually move them to private schools have fallen to the wayside. However, we will definitely reevaluate if we ever have to. Class sizes are still bigger than I'd like but it's working out for now.
As a double Ivy alum, Ivy prestige has greatly declined in last 20 years. The gravy train ain't really there any more outside very selective industries. Most Ivy grads don't even come anywhere close to these industries. If you want to work on Wall Street, having a dad with connections is more helpful than a diploma from an Ivy school. Why bother gunning for a badly corrupt institution these days, places that have become laughingstocks outside the Democratic elite?
But if it's still your goal, Ivy admissions works like this: every prospective incoming class is broken down by demographics, racial, first gen, international students, athletes, legacy/preferred admits from connected families. They want as many blacks/latinos while keeping Asians as plausibly low as possible but still accepting them at greatly overproportional levels. What this means is the slots for the unhooked UMC white kid has collapsed to maybe 10% of the student body, and that's going to be 5% each gender. Assuming 1600 spaces available. 5% of that is 80. You're not gunning for 1 out of 1600 spaces but 1 out if 80 spaces. Meanwhile there's probably 10,000 white male applicants for those 80 spots.
What legacy means is your parents donated a lot of money and / or are seriously prestigious. For a kid with the right stats to be admitted, if you have a fancy Hollywood actor as a legacy dad: guarantee admit. Alumna Mom is a senior executive at Goldman Sachs? Admitted. Your typical law or doctor or corp executive who donated $200 each year for the last 20 years? Reject. And a goodly proportion of the Ivy pipeline to the prestigious consulting/finance/whatever who still want to recruit from the Ivies are dominated by these kids whose parents already have the connections. It's mainly the top 10% of black students at the Ivies who are given access to this pipeline, not the UMC non legacy white students. You're no better off than had you gone to Vanderbilt or Emory.
I guarantee you the fancy prep school you're looking at has a lot of connected parents. Is it one of the DC schools like St. Albans/Sidwell? Plenty of legacy + connected alumni parents and that's why the pipeline to the Ivies seems so great. And the school will get their top black kids, who also typically have accomplished parents, into the Ivies. But kids at those schools who don't have connected parents get just as shut out as at a great suburban public.
Wisdom among parents I like is that Chicago is the place to go if you want something approximating an Ivy campus environment from the 1990s-early 2000s. We're definitely keeping an eye on it for my eldest in a few years.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47681673)
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Date: May 21st, 2024 8:23 PM Author: splenetic area wrinkle
1) OP should only send a boy to a nice school. A girl is LOL
2) It's a great benefit academically (i.e. all privates are better schools), but this fades in importance compared to kid's intrinsic drive
3) Would coach boy on ways to seduce the truly elite girls from wealthy families. This is how you become elite anymore. The gender inversion and globohomo has accelerated this and made it MORE possible if kid is a genuine chad
4) If you do decide to send him to elite school, be relentless with him. Force him to hang out with people, play sports, be a chad. It's easier to be a chad at elite prep schools as well
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47681674) |
Date: May 21st, 2024 8:35 PM Author: boyish drab church
The main reason to do this is to avoid proles and LMC, and minimize your interaction with the government. To have a better school experience and get a better education. To learn a certain mindset.
Decide how much that is worth to you. To some people it's well worth $60k. To others, it's not worth it over public school.
Don't count on it as a way to the Ivies or anything else.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47681691) |
Date: May 21st, 2024 9:39 PM Author: blue dragon organic girlfriend
OP, the kids at the boarding schools are not as rich as you are imagining. Of course some of them come from families that are donating new buildings to Ivies and whatnot, but most are not. A lot of haute UMC and lower UC people. That border between UMC and UC is really the bread and butter of these places. A substantial portion of that admissions benefit that you're seeing can be attributes to the school. And yes, there are strong relationships between many of these schools and prestigious universities.
Boarding school is an intense experience, but highly beneficial if your son can handle it. I did the boarding school to Ivy route. And yes, it was bittersweet to grind away far from home while my friends had normal high school experiences, and eventually normal college experiences. It probably screwed up my social development to some extent. But what I got in return was so great. The challenge, the learning, the connections, the breadth of experience, it was all just on another level. I don't regret it a bit, and I'd do it all over again.
Also, don't discount the benefits of being a recruited athlete at an Ivy. You're automatically one of the cool kids as part of your team, which has very real benefits in making connections and building your network. Benefits that last for many years after graduation.
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Date: May 22nd, 2024 12:16 AM Author: splenetic area wrinkle
Exeter's endowment is $1.3 billion friend. Choate is like $400 million. Dalton, a very prestigious non-boarding NYC ivy, has maybe $150-200 million at most
Clearly there are other reasons to attend boarding school past not having a good family life.
A fucking high school has $1.3 billion
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Date: May 22nd, 2024 1:03 AM Author: Violent parlor
'But Ivies/top 10 UGs are rare even for valedictorians from our local public HS.'
are you retarded
this is 2024. prep schools wont "place" your kid into an ivy better than your suburban high school.
thats not how that works. how it does work is that prep schools may report slightly better stats (not as good as you think) because they have there some of the few kids who were autoadmits from birth (retard billionaires like jared kushner, eg).
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Date: May 22nd, 2024 11:41 AM Author: crimson multi-colored national hissy fit
We have decided that it’s not worth it. They’re $50-60k per year +5-8% increase per year. That’s just too much particularly if you have multiple kids unless you’re making something like $2M+. If you make like $500k your kids will be the poor ones. Also, many of these have become Asian striver pressure cookers.
We have our kids in good (but not elite) public and are keeping an eye on it. Teachers have ranged from ok to fantastic. Kids are 75% peers and 25% LMC. Experience has been pretty normal: school events, firefighters coming to school, field trip to local history museum. So far, so good.
Your kid’s drive means much, much more than where they go to school.
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Date: May 22nd, 2024 2:25 PM Author: splenetic area wrinkle
Maybe after college/grad school, but PE jobs/offers are not actually great. I work at one, and it's wage slavery. In a way, much worse than biglaw, albeit not as much blowback from bitch partners (see reason below...)
The better path involves a ton of capital that either you've received in inheritance or managed to eek out of others by your wonderful gift of gab (less likely now for reasons obvious, i.e. the "firm handshake" meme) or by forced familial ties (i.e., having a baby with significant investor's daughter). The firm I work at currently is not affiliated with either my gf or wife, but both of their parents have large investments in other firms and were admittedly instrumental in placing me here. I went to good schools but am HUwhite
Inevitably, since neither family has sons and neither wants their girls to work, I'll likely have to step up and help manage both of their funds. Which is probably why at the shop I work at now, only the head investor/partner gives me grief. The others stay away from me or try to appease me, which ultimately is the best arrangement since I'm fucking insane with generating as much AUM as possible. Fuck the law
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Date: May 25th, 2024 8:40 PM Author: Lemon business firm
All in I usually bring in around $400K a year and my wife has a government email job that is $120K but full healthcare benefits for the whole family. Our city is expensive but easily affordable with that income.
I made a thread about private school and college for our measly household of two kids and XO started SCREAMING and losing its fucking mind when I suggested I would just pay for college for them (other than the cheapest state direction school in the area).
So, no, of course not worth it. Only ENHINEERING/COMPUTA SCI-RENCE on scholarship or the single cheapest public option possible. Anything else, according to XO is financial and spiritual suicide.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47691595) |
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