Date: February 4th, 2011 2:59 PM Author: Burgundy stead
cr. The contributors need to decide this. Which means that the contributors need to be identified first. Unless wrassler is going to take creative control of this project as well as administrative control, the contributors need to select each other.
Wrassler: your job as the primary cheerleader for this project is to get potential contributors excited about grouping together.
Date: February 4th, 2011 3:10 PM Author: Burgundy stead
See below. You don't want to put in the structure, but you're already choosing the wallpaper? How about figuring out who the owners are first? Then they can develop any structure, rules, and hierarchy as they see fit.
Date: February 4th, 2011 3:01 PM Author: iridescent wrinkle temple
i am not the guy who should be determining editorial direction / content. i'll throw ideas out there, set up this platform, work on marketing and curation of links - i'm good at all that stuff.
Date: February 4th, 2011 3:07 PM Author: Burgundy stead
Okay, cool. I actually appreciate your take-action approach, but right now the project isn't to the point of selecting the color of the wallpaper, or even building the frame, it's at creating the foundation. I'm willing to join you in cheerleading, but the next step for cheerleading is to encourage cleverdood, attidood, and solzy to take charge of the creative by 1) recruiting more posters and 2) deciding on the direction.
Date: February 4th, 2011 3:11 PM Author: iridescent wrinkle temple
eh, i think it should get going and then take shape as it goes. i'm telling you, i've been involved in shit like this before, and too much planning at the beginning kills it. look at the other thread and see how just trying to decide on a name started to bog things down.
Date: February 4th, 2011 3:16 PM Author: Burgundy stead
I agree, overplanning can kill a project. But so can premature decisions. And getting the contributors talking to each other isn't overplanning. It's a basic, necessary step.
Of course trying to decide on a name was going nowhere. Most of the people giving input weren't even likely contributors and the theme and content haven't been pinned down yet.
again, you're just obsessed with making this a "top posters!!!1" blog. the people who are the best suited to blog style writing by and large aren't even whokebians, they're people like rascal, :D, TBF, etc.
and no, at this point it's better to get creative vomit on the floor and as many people participating as possible with a couple guys like wrassler collecting ideas and organizing them than to start out having a narrow set of posters calling all the shots. if you limit the scope and people who control it from the beginning it's much more likely to just fall by the wayside
Date: February 4th, 2011 3:18 PM Author: sickened lemon cruise ship digit ratio
did you see }:-[] or whatever's posts in the other thread? also, scott walker and blank moniker are pretty cut out for this. i'm not so sure about TBF but obviously :D is a top prospect
Date: February 4th, 2011 3:21 PM Author: Burgundy stead
A bunch of posters who will never end up contributing voting on wallpaper until everyone gets bored and then having wrassler (the guy who has disavowed creative control) collecting and organizing the ideas is a structural choice, and a pretty shitty one.
Getting actual contributors together to brainstorm and identify their common cause is an alternative structural choice.
You're the one obsessing about attidood being too "whokebian" and not enough like rascal.
before you "get actual contributors together" you have to sketch at least somewhat of a vision out for the blog. your approach would have us design the blog around a very specific subset of posters, whereas most other people would prefer to take the approach of creative vomit first, solidify the roster later. this allows for not only a wider range of ideas, but lets us incorporate the viewpoints of more posters. by doing so you're actually more likely to have a solid list of active contributors, because those who are deeply involved in the vomit phase are clearly more willing to commit themselves. if you just say "ok here are the top posters! let them handle it!" you're pretty much entirely counting on them to do everything, regardless of level of interest they have shown.
if someone is interested and has good ideas, they should participate at this point. it's that fucking simple. limiting yourself before the project even gets off the ground makes it far more likely to be never see the light of day
Date: February 4th, 2011 4:01 PM Author: Burgundy stead
There already is a sketch of at least somewhat of a vision out. That's what got attidood, cleverdood, and solzy interested in the first place.
No matter how you break up the problem of creating the site or in what order you address the issues, every decision is limiting (even hypothetically reversible decisions). You can't avoid limitations. The important thing is to make limiting decisions in the right order.
yeah man, thats exactly why. i have no intention of contributing to the blog, i'm just saying your ideas are pretty stupid and most seem to agree with me
Date: February 4th, 2011 4:14 PM Author: Burgundy stead
The wrassler agrees with you because you're telling him that what he already decided to do is right. Aside from him, solzy said that having the board vote on things like this right now didn't seem right and cleverdood agreed in principle with what I said (putting aside the specifics of the importance of wallpaper).
I don't think picking wallpaper right now is a big deal either, but the wrassler seemed intent on getting things running (including thematic and content decisions) before knowing who was going to contribute.
What's truly telling is the prospective administrator below talking about picking out the contributors. It's backwards.
he's not "picking out" contributors like it's some fucking selective process. he's giving any reasonable dude who has shown significant interest a shot, which at this point is exactly what he should be doing.
Date: February 4th, 2011 4:21 PM Author: Burgundy stead
LOL at an administrator giving others a creative "shot." Then he does have creative control. Not to mention the blog would be a clusterfuck from the beginning because the creative people never got together to decide what the fuck they are writing about.
Date: February 4th, 2011 4:40 PM Author: sickened lemon cruise ship digit ratio
let's not get bogged down in these technical structural issues. it's obvious both that (1) it makes a ton of sense to be working to get specific posters because they'll provide good content and (2) it makes a ton of sense for somebody to keep the project going.
Date: February 4th, 2011 4:42 PM Author: Burgundy stead
No. There's virtually no moderation on XO and anyone can sign up for an account...or multiple accounts. Unless that's how you envision the blog working, the two are have little in common, and creative control is a completely different beast in the case of the blog.
Date: February 4th, 2011 3:12 PM Author: Bull Headed Big Chapel
what's needed is a balance of whimsy, genuinely practicable information about are legal sector, & general interest content. imagine culling the best of all xo thread morphologies. i don't think it would be enough to draw in a particular niche of xo.
Date: February 4th, 2011 3:08 PM Author: Effete nofapping rigor
I have thesoleless.com up and running. So we need content. Wrassler has an admin account. Gooddood and Attidood should also have admin. They should post an xo email so I can give them that info.
Date: February 4th, 2011 3:48 PM Author: iridescent wrinkle temple
there are a bunch of people who want to contribute. in fact, i'm really surprised by the amount of enthusiasm. we just gotta get the platform up and running i think.
there's a small but vocal minority who want to run shit and are talking about structure and responsibilities and what not and they need to stfu.
Date: February 4th, 2011 4:07 PM Author: sickened lemon cruise ship digit ratio
i like this man but it seems a little too journalistic for me. i was thinking more something like a wrinkly bomb with white hair about to blow up and next to it a syringe with a lot of tiny hipsters in it. that's for youthanize
Date: February 4th, 2011 4:09 PM Author: iridescent wrinkle temple
yeah, people were saying in the other thread that they wanted a positive spin - youth trying to find jobs. i was against it. i like a fuck boomers angle.
yeah fuck boomers is about so much more than just jobs. plus a fuck boomers angle has a lot more energy. although really to me it would be more of a fuck boomerism thing than boomers per se
yeah man i think if this thing is supposed to capture the mood that's developed on xo at all then it needs that sort of post irony where ur not even reflecting about whether ur being serious or not ur just putting it out there. over-the-top can def achieve that
or you could just make a thread saying "PEOPLE WHO WANT TO CONTRIBUTE TO XO BLOG, GET ITT AND PROPOSE WHAT KIND OF SHIT YOU WOULD WRITE AND PROVIDE A SAMPLE"
edit: nm, i thought you meant a list of possible contributors
Date: February 4th, 2011 4:43 PM Author: iridescent wrinkle temple
i was going to swap out the logo. if you can for now, just grab it from the imgur link above, resize it, and drop it in the /convergence theme folder.
i don't need the admin cpanel access - you could just set me up as a new FTP account. that way you still control hosting, but i can edit files. up to you though.
edit: oh, i see what you said about shared host. do you have the ability to create limited FTP accounts? if you create an account that sets the soleless.com public_html dir as root, then i won't be able to see anything else. but, i completely understand if you're worried about it. this is just temporary until we get the Katz Global shit up and running anyway.