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Date: June 30th, 2010 11:50 PM Author: olive nibblets (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15387967) |
Date: June 30th, 2010 11:50 PM Author: plum stirring sanctuary juggernaut What don't you like about it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15387973) |
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Date: June 30th, 2010 11:56 PM Author: olive nibblets it's just a really odd working environment. there are these really weird old support staff people that seem to be suffering from dementia. Most people working at the agency don't strike me as very intelligent and I have, on more than one occasion, pointed out obvious issues/errors that would have otherwise gone unnoticed. I did not expect to do this. Lots of really lazy people. God forbid you need anything done after 4pm. People act sort of unprofessional. People are MIA randomly. People dress really terribly. that's just the basic stuff (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388032) |
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Date: June 30th, 2010 11:57 PM Author: plum stirring sanctuary juggernaut I definitely noticed the strange dress thing on interviews. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388049) |
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Date: June 30th, 2010 11:58 PM Author: embarrassed to the bone legal warrant dimensia? supposively? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388050) |
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Date: June 30th, 2010 11:59 PM Author: olive nibblets OMG! YOU'RE A TERRIBLE SPELLER! ZOMG. Fixed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388059) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 12:00 AM Author: embarrassed to the bone legal warrant After criticizing co-workers for not seeming intelligent, yeah... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388072) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 12:02 AM Author: olive nibblets I don't know how to spell dementia. I am obviously discredited.
*walks away with head down* |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 7:46 AM Author: Fishy Hell Multi-billionaire cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15389663) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 8:49 AM Author: sienna menage sex offender This. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15389732) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 12:27 AM Author: Vigorous church A typo is fine but this clearly indicates that you don't know how to spell these words correctly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388329) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 12:22 AM Author: Umber hall reading party man tell me he didn't say "supposively" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388284) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 12:23 AM Author: olive nibblets lol! no (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388293) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 11:10 AM Author: Swashbuckling wild elastic band associate you sound like an insufferable aspie (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15390100) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 4:29 PM Author: sinister step-uncle's house "people dress really terribly"
in case you're unaware, you're probably a douche |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 7:24 PM Author: Hairraiser Stag Film Dysfunction Are they hiring? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15393163) |
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Date: June 30th, 2010 11:51 PM Author: Odious Dragon Generalized Bond Do you intern at the U.S. Attorney's Office? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15387974) |
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Date: June 30th, 2010 11:51 PM Author: olive nibblets no (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15387984) |
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Date: June 30th, 2010 11:52 PM Author: Odious Dragon Generalized Bond (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15387993) |
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Date: June 30th, 2010 11:56 PM Author: olive nibblets why? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388033) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 12:55 AM Author: Indigo address blood rage USAO is the one place in gov't where I haven't witnessed this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388604) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 1:24 AM Author: olive nibblets too bad they'll never hire me :( (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388846) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 8:51 AM Author: sienna menage sex offender Yeah they hire former biglawyers or the best DAs and then don't bother giving them significant support staff. The lack mediocrity pulling them down allows them to stay a decent distance ahead on the government curve. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15389733) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 9:03 PM Author: histrionic senate fortuitous meteor The first part of this is entirely uncredited in my USAO, but we're also the exception to the general rule I think. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15393802) |
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Date: June 30th, 2010 11:53 PM Author: Bearded locale I did not like it. Left after two years for midlaw, much happier now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388005) |
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Date: June 30th, 2010 11:55 PM Author: plum stirring sanctuary juggernaut What didn't you like about it?
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Date: July 1st, 2010 12:00 AM Author: Bearded locale They talked a lot of shit about how many trials I'd get to do and whatnot. Instead, I sat on my ass all day propounding and answering written discovery, writing settlement memos, drafting inane letters to other government agencies, etc. It was probably less dull than a lot of biglaw jobs, but I was bored out of my mind. Plus I really didn't like DC. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388069) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 12:02 AM Author: Irradiated Wine Half-breed can you say where you worked? DOJ division? why didn't you like DC? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388095) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 12:05 AM Author: Bearded locale DOJ Honors, not going farther than that.
I didn't hate DC, but I've loved a couple other cities and just didn't get that feel from DC. I'm from the West Coast, went to school on the West Coast, only had a couple friends in DC and none of my good friends were there. Met a couple of cool doods but just never felt like the city was a good fit for me. |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 12:10 AM Author: Self-absorbed telephone you couldnt get biglaw after doj hp? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388180) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 12:14 AM Author: Bearded locale Pre-ITE, almost definitely. Even now, decent shot. I only sent out about a half dozen targeted apps. Only one was to biglaw, and I only sent one there because I knew someone in the group who vouched for the non-douchiness of the practice and partners. As I said below, I really don't think I could hack biglaw. I'm in a low COL area making ~100K with good upside. No need to kill myself doing shit work. I'm happy where I'm at. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388215) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 12:15 AM Author: olive nibblets your life seems pretty fucking credited. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388224) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 12:20 AM Author: Bearded locale (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388267) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 12:24 AM Author: Irradiated Wine Half-breed do you have a girlfriend? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388304) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 12:28 AM Author: Bearded locale (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388351) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 12:11 AM Author: Irradiated Wine Half-breed hmm...i'm at a big firm right now and while i don't hate it, i don't think i'd feel like i had a fulfilling job if i stayed. so i'm thinking about DOJ honors. but your story gives me pause. what kind of person would have enjoyed what you were doing at DOJ?
EDIT: Also, isn't there a 3 year commitment? How did you leave after 2? |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 12:17 AM Author: Bearded locale You can't do Honors out of biglaw, only straight from ls or clerking. But they hire laterals and there's no difference once you get there, at least on my division.
I think the kind of person who would have enjoyed what I was doing would be most aptly described as a pedantic asshole. But I have a really short attention span, and there were a bunch of good people in my division who had happy careers there.
Some divisions have no commitment. I think some have a 2 year, some have 3 year, and I think one has a 4 year. I'm not going to say which mine was, but it wasn't a big deal. You can apply for a waiver and I won't want to go back anyway, which is really the only penalty for leaving early. |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 12:22 AM Author: Self-absorbed telephone RE pedantic shit - I thought that all DOJ HP positions were litigation?
Is the work substance really that different from litigation in a firm? TYIA |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 12:27 AM Author: Bearded locale No, it's the the same lit work you'd find in a big firm. It's probably even better. Seriously, it's probably not the work so much as it was me. I have an abnormally low tolerance for bullshit, especially for a lawyer. The agency on whose behalf I litigated was a huge pain in the ass.
I just don't think I like federal civil litigation, not to do exclusively. My practice now is varied in substance and tribunal, and I'm much happier for it even though a lot of the cases I handle are pretty TTT. |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 12:29 AM Author: Self-absorbed telephone TY and congrats brah.
I have my sights set on the HP and your poast is disturbing (re: being promised trial work and not getting it). |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 12:32 AM Author: Bearded locale I don't think you can go wrong with HP or DOJ in general. Lots of people love it. If nothing else it's a nice resume point and it was good experience... I can run a federal civil case from complaint through SumJ no problem, and I've seen a lot of procedural shit. But they lied through their teeth about getting trial work, and I wasn't the only one who thought so. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388385) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 12:33 AM Author: Irradiated Wine Half-breed how many trials did you do in 2 years? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388399) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 12:35 AM Author: Bearded locale Zero first chair, one second chair. No big increase on the horizon. My experience was about normal for my division. They told me I'd be first chairing w/in 6 months. What a crock. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388425) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 12:36 AM Author: Irradiated Wine Half-breed please, tell me if it was one of these components: DOJ civil commercial litigation, consumer litigation, federal programs, tort branch? do you think there are certain divisions and components that get way more trials than you got? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388446) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 12:40 AM Author: Bearded locale Sorry bro, I'm not going to narrow it at all. I *think* some divisions get more trial work, but mine was supposed to be one of those that got a fair amount of trials. At least that's what I heard before I started. I don't know enough about other divisions to comment, however. You really need to find someone works/worked in that division and ask them very specific questions about the number of trials, motions argues, etc., they've done/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388477) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 12:33 AM Author: excitant scarlet stage candlestick maker was it a matter of no trial work period, or just as with biglaw, you'd have to stick it out for another 5 years or so before you could really be going to trial often? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388401) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 12:37 AM Author: Bearded locale You got more if you were there long enough, but I say more in the most relative fashion. Nobody, even the most experienced doods, was doing trials as often as they led me to believe I'd get within the first year or two. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388453) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 12:32 AM Author: excitant scarlet stage candlestick maker were the ppl there lazy/weird/odd dressers (i.e. as the OP suggests)? I figured DOJ honors would basically be biglaw types and pretty smart, but patriotic-delusional and also seeking a bit more QOL (45hrs a week versus 60+ biglaw). Elaborate on pedantic asshole? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388387) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 12:45 AM Author: Bearded locale Some of the lifers were a bit odd. I found the HP folks to be fairly well adjusted socially, at least for lawyers with otherwise decent credentials.
Pedantic asshole just = me admitting I'm too ADD to do BIGLITIGATION all day every day. I like my current job because we get some good cases where it's all out litigation warfare that drags on forever, but I also sometimes handle an eviction or a car crash PI case. I just need some action in my practice. |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 12:54 AM Author: Irradiated Wine Half-breed what's boring about the biglaw/DOJ type litigation? what's the day-to-day of the smaller stuff you do now?
ty for your perspective. i feel like i'm very similar to you, so i want to know more. |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 1:02 AM Author: Bearded locale It's just too many fucking documents bro. Fighting to get documents, fighting not to give the other side documents, reviewing a bunch of documents. I think the policy people at my agency were particularly shitty to work with, and because it's government they had no personal stake in the case. There was little or no incentive to think strategically. I'd end up taking stupid ass positions not because they had any merit but because some asswipe didn't want to concede a point on which the agency was clearly wrong.
I fucking love going to state court. If you get a shitty judge it can be murder, but state court is like the wild west... anything goes, and I have found there's a lot more court time and I get to leave my desk a lot more. Mine is not necessarily the life of preftige, but I'm relatively happy. |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 1:03 AM Author: Irradiated Wine Half-breed so you deal with much fewer papers and go to court much more often now? what'd the day-to-day like? what percentage of the work day do you sit in front of a computer? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388695) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 1:11 AM Author: Bearded locale I definitely go to court more. There's still a shitload of docs and sitting in front of the computer... I mean, I'm still a civil lit lawyer so that's not going away. It' just that there's enough time out of the office, and my practice is much more varied, that I don't go nuts when I have to sit at my desk a couple days straight.
Some of this is private vs. public, but a lot of it is the fit of the firm I'm at. I did some serious homework on the firm I jumped to, knew someone who used to work there and several people who'd litigated against them and knew them well. Still, I mostly just got lucky and found really good bosses with good practices. |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 1:19 AM Author: Motley yellow corn cake turdskin "I fucking love going to state court."
You're crazy. Too many shitty judges. |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 1:47 AM Author: Bearded locale Yeah, that's the problem. I don't really care about shitty decisions though, more about judges who move slow as shit. Still, on the balance, I'd rather appear in front of a shitty judge than in front of my DMS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388975) |
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Date: June 30th, 2010 11:55 PM Author: Irradiated Wine Half-breed what didn't you like about it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388018) |
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Date: June 30th, 2010 11:57 PM Author: olive nibblets I really feel like i would fit in much better in a firm. too bad they won't hire me. then again, either will the government so this is irrelevant I guess. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388040) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 12:01 AM Author: Bearded locale I seriously thought it was my dream job when I got there. Not so much. Firm life suits me better. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388081) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 12:03 AM Author: Irradiated Wine Half-breed what is it about firm life that suits you better? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388103) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 12:08 AM Author: Bearded locale I said midlaw, but it's actually fairly small -- about 15 people total. At DOJ my bosses were OK but very busy and I never got a lot of individual attention. Now I work for two partners most of the time and they ask me what kind of shit I want to work on, consult me about the cases they take on, give me the kind of substantive work I like (we have paralegals to handle a lot of the boring shit I hated at DOJ... DOJ had a couple paras too, but they were worthless), and get me into court every now and again. I found a really good place to land.
Hours are bout the same, pay is about the same now with more upside.
FWIW, I don't think I could hack biglaw for very long. From what I've heard I'd either kill myself or, more likely, run amok on the aspie fucks I'd be working for. |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 12:01 AM Author: Irradiated Wine Half-breed describe why you think you'd fit better in a firm. you've never even worked in a firm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388085) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 12:05 AM Author: olive nibblets well, I guess I just mean that the shit above is irritating and I don't think it exists, or at least not as much, at firms. I don't actually know this, just the feeling I get from talking to friends. but perhaps there is really annoying shit at firms I'm not considering. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388123) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 1:02 AM Author: bateful parlor As an intern, i hated it. before that, i thought it was what i wanted to do. i just didn't get anything out of it. some of it was superficial - i didn't like how people dressed, i didn't like the cubicle they gave me, i thought nothing looked very nice, etc. but substantively, i did quite a bit of doc review and was in killself mode i was so bored.
now i'm a SA at a firm and i love it. it's a much better fit for me. |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 1:09 AM Author: Irradiated Wine Half-breed can you describe what about the firm makes it a better fit for you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388754) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 1:18 AM Author: bateful parlor some of it superficial like i said. i like having my own office, i like that people look more professional, that the office is nicer, etc. i like getting treated to lunch several times a week.
but i also like the work that i get a lot more. i don't have to hunt down a supervisor to get work, i always get lots of different things to do. at the government, it sometimes took me DAYS to actually find my supervisor and get him to meet with me to talk about something or to get more work. it was horrible. plus, i have done no doc review at the firm which is awesome. i have been able to do work for a variety of different of partners/associates. not all memos, some shorter projects, some bigger projects, etc.
above all else, i like getting paid. |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 1:24 AM Author: Irradiated Wine Half-breed what do you mean by look more professional? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388844) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 1:27 AM Author: bateful parlor i mean i don't see any admin staff show up looking like they could be on www.peopleofwalmart.com (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388857) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 1:44 AM Author: Stimulating startled genital piercing orchestra pit not a lawyer but:
are complaining because you wanted more work? |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 1:47 AM Author: bateful parlor actually yes. i'd rather have work to do than being bored and feeling like i wasted money on metro fare when it likely wouldn't make a difference if i showed up or not some of the time.
and the weeks i did doc review, i was actually depressed everyday before i went to work i dreaded it so much |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 1:49 AM Author: Irradiated Wine Half-breed I think you just subconsciously didn't want to be in government and wanted to make a lot more money. If you were at a firm that summer doing the exact same doc review type work, you would be saying now that doc review is boring, but not that bad because it isn't stressful. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388988) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 1:56 AM Author: bateful parlor maybe to an extent. but i don't think i'd make excuses for the firm if i did doc review for as long as i did at the gov and if people were always impossible to track down. doc review was mind numbing.
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Date: July 1st, 2010 7:33 AM Author: self-centered property queen of the night You realize once you are no longer an SA, there will be no lunches, and all you will be doing is doc review, right? Except, instead of doing it 40 hours a week like in govt, you'll be doing it 60 hours a week. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15389649) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 6:57 PM Author: bateful parlor nah, i work with first year associates and see what they do and it's not doc review. don't assume you know what every firm is like. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15393001) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 7:22 PM Author: self-centered property queen of the night Lol, OKAY. I'm at a firm where associates "didn't do doc review." Guess what? If the work comes in and requires doc review YOU WILL DO DOC REVIEW. Partners are going to take whatever work clients give them and staff them any way the clients require. If clients don't want people in India doing first review, it means you're doing it.
Don't assume because you've worked at a law firm for 4 weeks in a cushy SA job that you know what being an associate is like. |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 8:48 PM Author: bateful parlor i know what my firm is like more than you do. you seem to just want me to be negative and assume that i will hate my future and begin preparing for it. i love my job. i love the people i work with. i enjoy going to work everyday. but ok i will dread becoming an associate and will cry myself to sleep every night. whatever man. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15393697) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 9:38 PM Author: soul-stirring mexican really tough guy My complaints about BIGLAW are the same as your complaints about BIGGOV.
Beware of the SA experience! It reflects perhaps 5% of your actual future experience as an associate. |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 1:13 AM Author: olive nibblets *is jealous of your SA position*
I'm glad I'm not the only person who feels this way. I would still take a job where I work (although i won't get one) but i would try to leave for the private sector asap. another thing I notice is a general lackadaisical disposition among the attorneys. it makes it hard for me to get motivated when everyone is talking about random shit outside my door and just generally fucking around. |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 1:15 AM Author: Irradiated Wine Half-breed do you think any of your disdain comes from a desire to be among more prestigious people? to have an environment full of richer, more intelligent people? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388793) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 1:23 AM Author: olive nibblets It's possible that I have developed some subconscious bias but i don't think so. I really don't care if people are prestigious or have lots of money. I think I'd just prefer a little more professional environment (but not stuffy) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388837) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 1:23 AM Author: bateful parlor midlaw would be perfect for you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388840) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 1:26 AM Author: olive nibblets now if I can just talk a midlaw firm into hiring me (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388855) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 1:28 AM Author: bateful parlor have you looked into firms from where you grew up or went to undergrad? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388863) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 1:31 AM Author: olive nibblets yeah. there aren't many and they prefer top 5% from local TTTs.
I have ties to another relatively big market and I applied to the biglaw/midlaw firms there. I will do so again in August but I had no luck last year |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 1:34 AM Author: bateful parlor yeah a lot of people do prefer people from local schools. luckily i found a place that saw where i go to school as an asset.
good luck - i hope you find something that is a better fit for you |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 1:36 AM Author: olive nibblets thank you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388907) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 1:20 AM Author: doobsian scourge upon the earth resort the longer i DON'T work for the government, the more i think i like firm life better. much of what is said above is 100% accurate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388825) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 1:29 AM Author: olive nibblets why are these things not discussed much on xoxo? is it because most people don't care about these things or they just don't know. BIGGOV is talked about like it's the shit around here (which it might be). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388866) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 1:30 AM Author: doobsian scourge upon the earth resort well the hours are MUCH better in terms of consistency, and i think it opens a lot of interesting career paths. a lot of people do stints in gov and then work for a firm for a while, then go back. breaks up the monotony. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388880) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 1:32 AM Author: bateful parlor when i worked at the gov i felt like i saw a lot of people staying late consistently. and they got a lot less $$$ than they would in the private sector. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388887) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 1:37 AM Author: doobsian scourge upon the earth resort i'm thinking civil service attny drones. at the top, you always work long hours. i am sure it varies depending on office and level (fed, state, municipal, whatever) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388917) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 1:32 AM Author: olive nibblets "a lot of people do stints in gov and then work for a firm for a while, then go back. breaks up the monotony."
this would be okay |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 1:35 AM Author: Startling exciting organic girlfriend Very very few BIGGOV people on here. Pre-ITE (and maybe even now), biglaw is the path of least resistance. Not that it's necessarily more prestigious, but it does take a shitload more work to get. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388899) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 1:42 AM Author: Irradiated Wine Half-breed but based on this thread, it seems like biglaw is actually much better than biggov. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388937) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 1:48 AM Author: Startling exciting organic girlfriend my post had nothing to do with what was better, but as a reply:
OP is comparing biggov and midlaw, and is working specifically for a firm that he researched and knew a shitload about before joining (something you don't necessarily even know after a whirlwind 12 weeks at a firm).
then again, I have yet to work in either place and I'm on the biggov track, so take that opinion for what it's worth (ie. nothing). but there are plenty of biglaw horror stories on the board if you want to go looking in that direction too. |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 1:51 AM Author: Irradiated Wine Half-breed yeah but the plus about biglaw is the salary--people expect the work to suck, so are pleasantly surprised if it turns out to be tolerable. the plus about government is supposed to be the hours + the kind of work. if the kind of work sucks, that negates one of the reasons you chose government. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15388994) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 1:53 AM Author: Startling exciting organic girlfriend fair points. no one picks biggov due to the salary.
the kind of gov't work isn't monolithic though - sounds like the work didn't necessarily fit the OP and what he wanted to do (trials). I don't think many people go into government work with the expectation of doing a lot of trials (excepting the obvious cases).
EDIT: By OP I meant not SHOCK but the pumo who had a lot more to say about his experiences. You're right that many people are unhappy even with government work. |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 7:42 AM Author: Medicated Selfie Boltzmann you sound dumb (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15389656) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 7:51 AM Author: puce apoplectic site doctorate AUSA >>>> any private firm job, hth faggots (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15389672) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 9:17 AM Author: Provocative factory reset button hospital Can you pls discuss your reasons for this? I hate my firm but am not sure if I should aim for AUSA or do midlaw/small law instead. TYIA. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15389766) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 8:37 AM Author: talented chocolate location french chef I'm in BIGGOV. As far as work environment, our office has no contact with anyone outside (except for hearings), so even though we're supposed to be business casual, people slack off a bit in terms of dress.
As far as intelligence, my office is quite big and, with a couple minor exceptions, I've never met anyone who struck me as dumb. Everyone here knows what they're doing.
As far as laziness, there are people who are happy to get by doing the absolute minimum, and there are people who are total superstars.
Personally, I love my job and plan on doing this until I retire. |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 8:45 AM Author: Sadistic supple place of business office at my gov internship, i work for a bunch of ex-biglawyers and they're very much the opposite of your typical gov folks. it's all about getting shit done and getting all the details right. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15389727) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 8:46 AM Author: puce apoplectic site doctorate getting all the details right is for faggots, hth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15389729) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 8:48 AM Author: Sadistic supple place of business office dood, at first i was proofing shit like 8x over and there were still errors i should've caught. i realized you have to proof stuff more like 50 times minimum and try to keep your concentration up the whole time. and these t14 law revie ex biglawyer types rip up my bluebook errors without even consulting the book (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15389731) |
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Date: August 13th, 2010 4:27 PM Author: abusive cuckoldry state sounds efficient (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15781559) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 8:58 AM Author: Out-of-control Arousing Fanboi Community Account i'm in biggov, love it and hated biglaw.
op works for a shitty agency. my agency is conservative, but most of all, very important. we have a few dummies (this was true in biglaw) but the things you complain about make it seem like you've never had a real job before.
complaining about dress? lol. the hours are a ton better, i make a good salary and i'm not expected to work past 6 if i don't want to (but often do b/c i love my job) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 11:08 AM Author: olive nibblets You might be correct. I don't have any substantial work experience. Maybe if I experienced biglaw hours I wouldn't care about this stuff.
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Date: July 1st, 2010 11:12 AM Author: Out-of-control Arousing Fanboi Community Account even at your shitty agency the people in charge won't let you anywhere near any of the important work.
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Date: July 1st, 2010 11:18 AM Author: Out-of-control Arousing Fanboi Community Account and like someone posted above, you sound like a fucking aspie.
you should be working hard, doing a good job and making contacts there. that's all you really can do at a place that won't give you an offer. |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 11:22 AM Author: olive nibblets I'm not an aspie and I've been doing exactly what you said.
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Date: July 1st, 2010 11:20 AM Author: olive nibblets The work itself has not been bad. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15390167) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 9:03 AM Author: mischievous sound barrier Date: June 30th, 2010 11:56 PM Author: the SHOCK doctrine
... I have, on more than one occasion, pointed out obvious issues/errors that would have otherwise gone unnoticed. I did not expect to do this.
Date: June 30th, 2010 11:57 PM Author: the SHOCK doctrine
... too bad they won't hire me. then again, either will the government so this is irrelevant I guess
ENJOY your unjustifiable sense of superiority over your coworkers. Sounds to me like you're right where you belong. |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 11:18 AM Author: olive nibblets I don't feel superior. Some people I've worked with are great. Besides, even if some of them are terrible, they have jobs and I don't so guess who's pwned. it's all irrelevant because they aren't hiring me anyway.
Why do you feel the need to come to my thread and talk shit? I really don't understand the impulse. |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 11:22 AM Author: Out-of-control Arousing Fanboi Community Account who's really talking shit on this thread?
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Date: July 1st, 2010 11:32 AM Author: olive nibblets I haven't said a single negative thing about a poster. You obviously think I'm an idiot and that what I've said in this thread is PURE SHIT! fine. Still don't see the need to do that OMG YOU ARE AN IDIOT ASPIE xo thing. To each his own I guess.
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Date: July 1st, 2010 11:51 AM Author: mischievous sound barrier You're talking shit about your coworkers - according to you, many are not very intelligent, lazy, and don't dress well. Then you freak out if someone challenges your own attitude and intelligence? Lack of self-awareness pwned.
You slam people you've worked with for maybe a month, and feel you'd be a better fit in a firm, a place you've never worked in your life. Your ignorance and arrogance are breathtaking.
You're a whiny, entitled twit, and I don't feel sorry for your academic and career misfortune. BIGLAW got it right when it came to you. |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 1:45 PM Author: maroon coffee pot Wait, so he is not supposed to call mediocre, lazy people mediocre and lazy just because ITE fucked him? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15390932) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 4:32 PM Author: mischievous sound barrier No, but when he poasts about correcting the "obvious mistakes" of coworkers, he shouldn't act like a pumo bitch when he gets called on his own.
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Date: July 1st, 2010 1:19 PM Author: Submissive Insecure Main People I do BIGGOV and work more hours than I did on the private side (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15390843) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 1:24 PM Author: useless chapel roast beef in fairness, by "private side" you mean unemployed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15390862) |
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Date: July 1st, 2010 1:25 PM Author: useless chapel roast beef a good 97% of xoxo posters are unemployed. the rest, like you, are pathetically employed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15390866) |
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Date: August 13th, 2010 4:41 PM Author: Infuriating lake digit ratio principal's office The old-time government employees are kind of painful. Slow, not very savvy, and always scuffling around in therapeutic black sneakers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1354306&forum_id=2#15781685) |