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Date: August 26th, 2010 6:29 AM Author: zippy forum mexican If initial results from BIGLAW firms are any indication, Michigan students will be living with their parents for most of their life. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15884399) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 1:31 PM Author: Green multi-colored roommate Don't take it personally. You're still smart and well educated; firms just don't need the extra bodies right now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15886051) |
Date: August 26th, 2010 6:32 AM Author: Yapping Citrine Laser Beams More details. ESTIMATE the % of the class that will get BIGLAW. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15884400) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 6:35 AM Author: Supple people who are hurt *posts about biglaw at 5:32 AM*
*is not lawyer or law student* |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 1:38 PM Author: misunderstood voyeur *can't wait to mock jobless law grads* *is an abject failure* |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 6:36 AM Author: zippy forum mexican I'd put it at 30% unless there is a tremendous turnaround in the callbacks.
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Date: August 26th, 2010 6:38 AM Author: Yapping Citrine Laser Beams ESTIMATE the number of callbacks on average for:
top 10% top 25% median below median |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 7:09 AM Author: zippy forum mexican I wanna talk to more people today. Getting ready to leave for OCI, so I'll get a better estimate and post while I'm there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15884414) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 6:51 AM Author: Iridescent provocative lodge i told y'all not to go to law school until you see hiring pick up. that hiring will increase is too speculative for you to go any earlier unless you're willing to live with what you'll get in a shit economy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15884407) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 7:33 AM Author: seedy charismatic marketing idea to be fair,
the market is going to be in the shittcan indefinitely. ppl that *really* want to be a lawyer should go to law school at a place like Michigan.
I know that runs counter to the cw on this board but it's just a fucking reality. you could wait your whole adult life for this thing to turn around and your opportunity cost won't be very high given your bachelors in art history.
food for thought, broski |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 7:37 AM Author: Iridescent provocative lodge if its going to be in the shitcan indefinitely you should at least wait a few years for tuition to be forced down. several years from now law students will pay 10s of thousands less per year if you're right about teh econ. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15884428) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 7:45 AM Author: seedy charismatic marketing idea That's speculative. As is what I'm saying about the economy. It's by no means certain we're going to double-dip or even "soft patch"; it's likewise unclear if a law school education is at all price elastic. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15884431) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 7:49 AM Author: Iridescent provocative lodge even if we don't get a double dip it'll take a while for hiring to improve to justify that tuition. you'd be foolish to make that bet without seeing hiring return to normal levels for a class ahead of you first.
the student loan system is collapsing and those federal loans will be severely curtailed. most people don't have the money to pay 30-40k a year for law school, period. without the federal loans prices will be forced down. |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 7:49 AM Author: Supple people who are hurt this would have happened long ago (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15884439) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 7:52 AM Author: Iridescent provocative lodge home prices + mortgage debt levels should've been halted long before they were. that's why they call it irrational exuberance. but once the party's over the price drop is huge. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15884447) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 7:51 AM Author: Supple people who are hurt also, "you'd be foolish to make that bet without seeing hiring return to normal levels for a class ahead of you first."
right. then 90% of law students are foolish, because at most schools you are more likely than not to end up unemployed or in 35k shitlaw in any economy, not just this one |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 7:53 AM Author: Iridescent provocative lodge that's pretty much what the legal blogosphere is saying and exactly why TTTs mislead prospective students on salaries. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15884449) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 7:55 AM Author: seedy charismatic marketing idea prospectives aren't misled; they're painfully aware how shitty their schools are. They're faced with the horrifying reality that they are lifefucked almost any which way they turn: 1) to law school, 2) to a dead-end job, or 3) something inbetween (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15884452) |
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Date: September 11th, 2010 5:47 PM Author: insane water buffalo useless brakes Nah, they're clueless. I toured a prospective student (elite UG) around my T20 recently and he had no clue that schools could lie about their career stats. This is a major problem. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#16019602) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 7:47 AM Author: Supple people who are hurt wrong. the job market for lawyers has gotten progressively shittier since the eighties, and despite this, law school tuition has sky rocketed. why, you ask?
tuition is not driven by the supply or even perceived supply of legal jobs. it's driven by the availability of unsecured federally-guaranteed loans. as long as loans are available up to a certain amount, that is the exact amount schools will charge
as long as you dont need a credit check (or bare minimum credit check) for stafford and grad plus, people will keep taking three year vacations and schools will keep charging 40k a year
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Date: August 26th, 2010 7:51 AM Author: Iridescent provocative lodge "as long as you dont need a credit check (or bare minimum credit check) for stafford and grad plus"
absent a major, earth shattering rebound in the economy the federal loans' days are numbered in their current size. financial aid will be available, but it will not support ls tuition at the current leve. |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 7:51 AM Author: Supple people who are hurt federal loans days are numbered?
you kidding me? it's a government program driven by politics. no one is going to deny education to the masses! |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 5:45 PM Author: Green multi-colored roommate "the market is going to be in the shittcan indefinitely. ppl that *really* want to be a lawyer should go to law school at a place like Michigan."
Wrong. People that really want to be a lawyer should go to the least expensive school that is ABA accredited. Many many grads of even the best law schools are joining small practices or going solo as the large firms just are not hiring. You really think that non-lawyers (the client) know or even care what law school you went to? They want someone with experience and who will return their calls. Where your law school was ranked matters very little to them. |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 6:56 AM Author: Supple people who are hurt I ALWAYS DREAMED OF DOING PUBLIC INTEREST (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15884410) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 7:14 AM Author: Iridescent provocative lodge if they waited they may see much lower tuition (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15884416) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 7:49 AM Author: Supple people who are hurt is there any reason at all empirically to back this assertion up (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15884438) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 7:55 AM Author: Iridescent provocative lodge yah (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15884451) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 8:39 AM Author: Brass orchestra pit Bullshit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15884488) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 8:24 AM Author: Stimulating stock car pit This is what all the law students forced into publicc interest due to law firm deferrals said. That's a measure of how lost law grads are. One moment they want to make as much money as possible. The next moment they sell out to the good guys because the public interest folks throw a few shekels their way. Law students are lost, have zero core beliefs, have no idea what they are doing or where they are going. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15884466) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 8:59 AM Author: slap-happy slate site mood i really did go to law school for public interest. im pissed im competing with a bunch of fags for jobs no one wanted a few years ago. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15884523) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 9:50 AM Author: low-t crotch weed whacker you don't need an organization to help poor people (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15884693) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 5:46 PM Author: Green multi-colored roommate Just go and organize a community or some shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15887985) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 8:00 AM Author: Milky Box Office Subject: 2nd Day Isn't today the beginning of only the 3rd day of the Michigan OCI? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15884454) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 8:15 AM Author: zippy forum mexican Yeah, but many of the BIGLAW firms from the first day have already done callbacks. Basing future expectations on those results, Michigan is fucked. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15884460) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 8:34 AM Author: low-t crotch weed whacker y did people start law school in 2009? seems like a no brainer that going was a terrible move (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15884481) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 8:38 AM Author: zippy forum mexican Depends. If paying sticker, then dumb. If paying nothing, then not so bad. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15884487) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 8:40 AM Author: Brass orchestra pit Lol this is retarded. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15884489) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 9:07 AM Author: mahogany beta nursing home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15884544) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 9:13 AM Author: zippy forum mexican At Mich, we could use 30 bids. Generally, most people received 15-18 interviews. Most people I've talked to who interviewed heavily on Tuesday did not receive a callback, yet. There are some firms that haven't done cb's, but quite a few have and the numbers seem awful. |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 9:21 AM Author: mahogany beta nursing home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15884578) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 9:26 AM Author: zippy forum mexican Thanks. Luckily, I have a job next summer (family connections) and utilized OCI to see what else is out there.
The mood of the students at OCI is definitely more somber today. The upbeat people now seem desperate. |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 9:28 AM Author: mahogany beta nursing home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15884594) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 9:29 AM Author: low-t crotch weed whacker the economy tells me this isn't the case here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15884602) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 9:32 AM Author: mahogany beta nursing home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15884612) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 9:34 AM Author: low-t crotch weed whacker it's not the reason why these people aren't getting callbacks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15884621) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 9:37 AM Author: Up-to-no-good Tattoo Associate dude you don't know what you're talking about. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15884637) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 9:39 AM Author: low-t crotch weed whacker i'll bump this in a couple months. it's going to be a complete and utter bloodbath. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15884646) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 10:05 AM Author: Up-to-no-good Tattoo Associate that may be the case, but extrapolating from 1 single day of interviews is retarded. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15884764) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 9:33 AM Author: zippy forum mexican Sure, there is still some hope and anticipation that things will pick up. Everything is based upon info of firms that have done callbacks and the very low number of people that received those callbacks. I just don't think things are going to end well. Most of the firms I have talked to are still concerned about the fragile economy. The firms have shifted to hiring only what is necessary and keeping workloads high. |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 9:13 AM Author: Yapping Citrine Laser Beams 10 V100 callbacks at tier 2 jesus christ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15884560) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 9:23 AM Author: mahogany beta nursing home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15884581) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 2:05 PM Author: boyish dark theater stage this place is truly doing awful, far worse than CCN. NYU placed over 40 in the v10 last year, i think we placed 6?
i don't know what it is - employers not wanting to come to MI when they have good schools in their backyard (CN and to a lesser extent fordham for NYC, C and NW for Chi, etc) or our OCS just not being proactive... but c/o 11 got really fucking hosed, and c/o 12 isn't looking hot. |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 2:21 PM Author: appetizing overrated state rigpig We shouldn't be comparing ourselves with CCN, but with P/V, or even with DCNG. But even then it seems like we're really underperforming.
Combination of factors. But OCS is really, really not doing anything special. Sure, my grades suck. Sure, there are not many jobs out there. But OCS has really not made an effort to make things any better. Really pisses me off. |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 2:48 PM Author: boyish dark theater stage nyu ocs sent out a nice list of 11 observations based on day 1 of OCI, mich ocs did what? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15886561) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 2:23 PM Author: appetizing overrated state rigpig BTW what % of c/o 11 do you suppose had a "paying firm job"? Could be local shitlaw as long as it was a salaried (not per hour) position that was open to a permanent offer (not necessarily leading to one, however). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15886348) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 2:48 PM Author: boyish dark theater stage 35 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15886563) |
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Date: August 30th, 2010 11:27 AM Author: appetizing overrated state rigpig Seriously, that bad? Suddenly I feel much better (I'm not *that* abject a failure) and much worse (only 250 other 3Ls to beat out for that nonexistent job). |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 2:27 PM Author: Henna Ticket Booth Yeah, everyone here claims aspie or flame when they hear about OCI strikeouts w/ good grades. I thought they didn't fully appreciate ITE, but maybe it's just a Mich thing. Fuck. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15886381) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 4:40 PM Author: Indecent khaki scourge upon the earth crackhouse AFAIK, NYU placed more than 100 in the V10. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15887401) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 4:52 PM Author: electric claret space persian dood i thought you were going to kirkland (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15887492) |
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Date: August 27th, 2010 3:08 AM Author: boyish dark theater stage me too dood (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15893231) |
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Date: August 27th, 2010 3:19 AM Author: Primrose hissy fit spot whats the story (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15893298) |
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Date: August 27th, 2010 3:19 AM Author: boyish dark theater stage kirkland elected not to call me back last year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15893302) |
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Date: August 27th, 2010 3:20 AM Author: Primrose hissy fit spot you had a summer gig though right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15893305) |
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Date: August 27th, 2010 3:20 AM Author: boyish dark theater stage yes, but not at kirkland. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15893310) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 4:33 PM Author: slimy cracking mad-dog skullcap Chill out, callbacks can take as much as one week from the interview day. you can't be as fucked as last year's class. my impressions are firms are planning to hire more so michigan's #s this year can only go up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15887348) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 4:34 PM Author: electric claret space persian Can it get any shittier for Michigan students? You're in Michigan, THE shittiest job markets in the country; your job options suck ITE; and you would have had football to fall back on, except that DickRod has turned Michigan into a laughingstock. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15887359) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 4:35 PM Author: slimy cracking mad-dog skullcap and you must not be talking to the right people or they are being secretive. Those who interview in New York will most definitely hear within a few days. non-NY offices take longer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15887368) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 4:51 PM Author: Crystalline thriller range ratface Michigan having OCI results of a T30 school.
Sad Michigan is Sad. |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 5:39 PM Author: Green multi-colored roommate I know Michigan Law graduates who couldn't get any legal jobs at all-- and this was back in the good years of '07 and '08. Even at a "top 10" school the employment numbers are total bullshit. If it makes you feel any better, there are also Penn and UVA students (and Harvard law grads, I know several) who are having just as a hard a time finding salaried legal positions as the Mich people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15887927) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 6:06 PM Author: Indecent khaki scourge upon the earth crackhouse i think the frustration expressed in this thread is pointed toward michigan law grads from all corners of the class having trouble, whereas the peopl from HPV are probably all, predictably, somewhere at hte bottom of the class.
Srsly, when Michigan only places 15 in the V10, yet NYU places more than 100, there are problems. And it isn't tha NYU is a better school than Michigan, so that's expected. The disparity should shouldn't be that stark. There were, I think, 3 Michigan 2Ls at V5s last summer. Compare that to NYU: More than 40. |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 6:15 PM Author: Green multi-colored roommate Yes that is understandable. I agree with the poster above who thought it had something to do with where the school is located. Most of the vault firms are headquartered in NYC. So, if they're just taking a small incoming class, it seems reasonable to primarily just recruit from a couple of the elite schools in the NYC area. Michigan just gets screwed since it's not really THAT close to any major market. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15888129) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 6:20 PM Author: purple kitchen sandwich Only problem is Michigan's main market is NYC, so performance there is reflective of overall performance, regardless of excuses. If Berkeley did badly, you could say, "well, they didn't want V5 in the first place," but Michigan students do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15888151) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 6:24 PM Author: Indecent khaki scourge upon the earth crackhouse yes, they very much do. Also, Cornell's AJF is in NYC, but the still don't do nearly as well as higher ranked schools that are not in the city with respect to NYC. So im not sure it's a geographical thing, or at least that geography is entirely to blame.
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1) Michigan should hold a job fair in NYC. 2) Michigan's "national placement" is w hat hurts it, since fewer grads placed in NYC leads to fewer alums at those firms who can bat for recruiting for Michigan students. 3) OCS needs to get off their asses and build better relationships with elite NYC firms.
IMO, there are srs problems when an elite law school can seemingly place only 1 student at S&C and 2 at CSM. |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 6:07 PM Author: bespoke church building http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1246726&mc=176&forum_id=2 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15888099) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 10:54 PM Author: zippy forum mexican Michigan should forbid associates from doing interviews. Aside from Lisa from McDermott, the associate interviewers were retards. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15890506) |
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Date: August 27th, 2010 12:12 PM Author: Medicated famous landscape painting blood rage McDermott is the worst. They have a history of no-offering Michigan summers, rescinding offers, and laying off first years a few months after starting. The partners are a bunch of cheap ass penny-pinching assholes who won't hesitate to throw you under the bus if they think their profits will temporarily go up.
Google McDermott and you'll see examples of this, from taking away COFFEE at the office, removing the meals at the office that they used to have for late-working associates, salary reductions & freezes, layoffs (stealth as well as mass layoffs), the list goes on and on. The firm gets negative press on a monthly basis on Abovethelaw for the shit they do to their associates.
That firm sucks and don't you forget it. In my opinion, Michigan students would be better off if that piece of shit firm were banned from OCI. |
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Date: August 27th, 2010 12:24 PM Author: Green multi-colored roommate They hold themselves out as a "lifestyle" firm but the truth is they just don't have the client base that many of the other big firms have and associates don't have enough work to make their hourly requirements. Heard it's really stressful there for associates as there is a lot of competition from other associates to get work from partners. No-one wants to be the lowest biller (and fired) so it's insanely cutthroat.
The first-years recently have had it the worst. The second and third year associates do the same work and have better connections, so who do you think is going to get the work? Not to mention senior associates work-hoarding to make their hours and it's just and all-around shitty environment to work in. I know several people who work there and they are all miserable. They'd like to leave but none of the other firms is really hiring laterals right now. |
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Date: August 27th, 2010 12:37 PM Author: Comical sanctuary Lots of deadwood at Michigan. The top of the class is thin and the bottom half is completely useless. We've gon there more than once now and had zero callbacks. That doesn't even happen at loyola. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15894811) |
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Date: August 27th, 2010 12:51 PM Author: chocolate soul-stirring dilemma hominid explain (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15894937) |
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Date: August 27th, 2010 12:42 PM Author: glassy titillating native For what it's worth, Michigan is lower on the "grid," or whatever you want to call it, that my firm's HR people give us before we fly out to interview.
I'm not sure if all firm's view Michigan this way, but my firm has the school basically on par with Cornell and GULC. Not that this grid really means anything (I can always call back a sub median person if I REALLLY wanted to), but just something to think about. |
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Date: August 27th, 2010 12:51 PM Author: Dun Vibrant Ladyboy House lol DESCRIBE said "grid" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15894934) |
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Date: August 27th, 2010 1:08 PM Author: glassy titillating native We basically have a point system that we fill out after the interview. It has a grades score, interview/personality score and Misc. (diversity) score.
The points we give for grades is based on a grid that has GPA ranges and schools. Michigan is in a group with GULC and Cornell. |
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Date: August 27th, 2010 1:09 PM Author: seedy charismatic marketing idea describe the groupings of schools within the t14 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15895100) |
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Date: August 27th, 2010 1:20 PM Author: glassy titillating native don't know it offhand. all i know is that it is pretty similar to US News except that Michigan and Boalt are pretty low. (Boalt is more in line with Texas and UCLA). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15895181) |
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Date: August 27th, 2010 1:30 PM Author: seedy charismatic marketing idea is chicago considered in the same vein as Columbia or more like Penn? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15895278) |
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Date: August 27th, 2010 1:35 PM Author: glassy titillating native CCN (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15895336) |
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Date: August 27th, 2010 1:15 PM Author: Bearded Cerebral Dopamine Sweet Tailpipe This is an insanely idiotic way to evaluate students. No wonder firms are being run into the ground. Idiots. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15895142) |
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Date: August 27th, 2010 1:21 PM Author: glassy titillating native Why? Seems like it's pretty good to me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15895194) |
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Date: August 27th, 2010 1:16 PM Author: Dun Vibrant Ladyboy House do they list possible GPA's off to the side from highest to lowest to make sure you don't make a mistake? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15895149) |
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Date: August 27th, 2010 1:20 PM Author: glassy titillating native yes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15895182) |
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Date: August 27th, 2010 7:45 PM Author: ebony violent station selfie (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15898865) |
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Date: August 27th, 2010 1:05 PM Author: seedy charismatic marketing idea curious as well about aforesaid grid (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15895058) |
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Date: August 30th, 2010 11:28 AM Author: appetizing overrated state rigpig Sadly this is what employment numbers seem to indicate. Damn. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15919465) |
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Date: August 27th, 2010 1:08 PM Author: french office puppy Where the fuck was all this info before I decided to come to this shithole? When I was deciding on schools, all the info I saw was that Michigan had great placement. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15895087) |
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Date: August 27th, 2010 1:09 PM Author: Dun Vibrant Ladyboy House average LSAT of 166 employers, what's not to like?! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15895096) |
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Date: August 27th, 2010 1:24 PM Author: orange stirring telephone i don't think any t14 has a 166 median any more... that'd be more like usc today (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15895218) |
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Date: August 27th, 2010 1:25 PM Author: Dun Vibrant Ladyboy House omg are you living in lawyers club that's soooo cool (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15895231) |
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Date: August 27th, 2010 1:31 PM Author: orange stirring telephone 166 median is outdated, are you old? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15895284) |
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Date: August 27th, 2010 1:09 PM Author: glassy titillating native that's BS. common sense should tell you that a school located in the middle of nowhwere is not going to do as well as a school in a major city. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15895103) |
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Date: August 27th, 2010 1:23 PM Author: orange stirring telephone new haven biglaw yny (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15895213) |
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Date: August 27th, 2010 7:57 PM Author: Supple people who are hurt that's still the new york metro area retard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15898980) |
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Date: August 27th, 2010 8:02 PM Author: smoky razzle-dazzle market coffee pot duke is pwning sixigan brah (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15899031) |
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Date: August 27th, 2010 8:17 PM Author: ebony violent station selfie duke has graduate schools? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15899182) |
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Date: August 27th, 2010 8:04 PM Author: ebony violent station selfie Is this a salvo at GULC? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15899052) |
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Date: August 27th, 2010 4:07 PM Author: boyish dark theater stage :( (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15896716) |
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Date: August 28th, 2010 11:58 AM Author: Sable dingle berry heaven This thread sucks. It is a sad day when TLS provides better information than xo.
http://top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=127740 |
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Date: August 30th, 2010 11:26 AM Author: appetizing overrated state rigpig Michigan was #3 23 years ago. While that should have absolutely no bearing on the status of the school today, shouldn't we have some sweet dude partners pulling hard for the school?
OCS is such a fail, man. They can barely, barely manage getting small firm/more or less solo alums to offer unpaid "internships". Seriously, I bet that they haven't done more than send a mass email to the alum database saying "We have unemployed 2Ls who'll work for free!!!" and still couldn't get more than 3 responses. |
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Date: August 30th, 2010 1:08 PM Author: Well-lubricated Exciting Cruise Ship Pocket Flask Everyone I know with either good grades or mediocre grades & work experience have cbs. It doesn't seems as bad as everyone makes it out to be. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15920249) |
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Date: August 30th, 2010 1:11 PM Author: appetizing overrated state rigpig Please define "good" and "mediocre" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15920279) |
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Date: August 30th, 2010 1:26 PM Author: Well-lubricated Exciting Cruise Ship Pocket Flask My friends with good grades (3.5+) all have 7-10 cbs and those with mediocre grades (3.2+) all have 3-7 cbs so far, and a lot of the firms haven't made cbs yet so those #s should go up. Of course this is only a sample of 8 people so who knows how representative this is.
I also have friends with less than median grades with 0-1 cbs...
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Date: August 30th, 2010 1:31 PM Author: low-t crotch weed whacker the economy's tanking so i wouldn't expect dramatic improvement. we shall see though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15920498) |
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Date: August 30th, 2010 1:34 PM Author: low-t crotch weed whacker fyi a 3.5+ is what a loyola grad needs to get a jerb. michigan is the new loyola. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15920517) |
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Date: August 30th, 2010 1:39 PM Author: Well-lubricated Exciting Cruise Ship Pocket Flask um how do you figure? I just said all my friends with 3.2+ have 3-7 cbs. The ones with 3.5+ simply have a little more. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15920553) |
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Date: August 30th, 2010 1:45 PM Author: low-t crotch weed whacker let's see what they get from those callbacks. i bet offer rates are going to be shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15920606) |
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Date: August 30th, 2010 2:40 PM Author: zippy forum mexican Proof of bloodbath. Michigan's OCS is so slow that they have time to troll the message boards. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15921153) |
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Date: August 30th, 2010 1:12 PM Author: low-t crotch weed whacker you were warned and you didn't listen. you = loyola grad. the classes of 2011 and 2010 i actually feel sympathy for. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15920290) |
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Date: September 1st, 2010 5:19 PM Author: zippy forum mexican As predicted, and supported by the TLS thread, Michigan students are getting raped. Now to the weather. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15940743) |
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Date: September 1st, 2010 7:34 PM Author: ebony violent station selfie As is the case every year, most students with multiple callbacks generally either 1.) don't frequent TLS/xoxo or 2.) don't feel the need to brag/broadcast to the masses. But, whatever makes you feel good about yourself/ding from T10. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15941837) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 4:08 PM Author: zippy forum mexican 1) word of mouth spreads quickly or 2) see 1. Hope Ann Arbor City Attorneys Office is great job. See you on the flipside. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15948859) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 6:56 PM Author: zippy forum mexican UPDATE: Michigan candidates beginning to snap at one another (http://top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=127740&p=3398206#p3398206). Instead of being angry at the school for financially raping them, students are contemplating exacted homicides to increase their cb spots. More info after the weather. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#15950092) |
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Date: September 11th, 2010 4:42 PM Author: Passionate international law enforcement agency oh crap. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405602&forum_id=2#16018873) |