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Scary story abt NJ hospital waving Russian agents into US like 3rd base coach
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Date: July 14th, 2018 11:13 AM Author: Pale pistol station For a pregnant woman in Russia, the sales pitch from one New Jersey hospital is alluring: Spend upwards of $10,000 to deliver a baby in a U.S. facility where mother and child will receive superior medical care.
The "AmeriMama" program at Meadowlands Hospital Medical Center, first reported by NJ Spotlight, is part of a lucrative and controversial business called "birth tourism," the practice of soliciting pregnant women from other countries to deliver their children in the U.S. -- automatically making them American citizens -- before they return home.
But the Secaucus, N.J., hospital has taken it to a brazen new level, say immigration experts.
For fees ranging from $8,500 to $27,500, the Russian-language website for AmeriMama promised to secure citizenship papers, passports, and travel visas for the baby, according to NJ Spotlight, which reported on the program in August.
While U.S. "birthing houses" and "maternity hotels" have been targeted by the feds, an American for-profit hospital openly marketing U.S. citizenship appears to be the first of its kind, according to one government source and watchdog groups.
The AmeriMama website and its Facebook page were removed shortly after NJ Spotlight ran a series of reports last month investigating the hospital's birth-tourism program and questionable business practices.
Hospital officials did not return repeated requests for comment.
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Date: July 14th, 2018 11:22 AM Author: Supple Hunting Ground Dog Poop lol calling them agents
did a Russian fuck your sister? |
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Date: November 23rd, 2018 3:52 PM Author: Pale pistol station Lol boris (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#37288550) |
Date: July 14th, 2018 11:17 AM Author: Appetizing fantasy-prone reading party crackhouse this makes my fucking blood boil
FUCK LIBS |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 11:19 AM Author: Pale pistol station The ownership group has a checkered history with regulators. Lipsky, a Russian-born anesthesiologist, operated an ambulatory-surgery center cited by state officials for multiple safety violations and for delinquent in paying state fees. Lipsky has also made news for his involvement with a controversial rapid drug-detox practice.
That history didn’t stop the state from approving the Certificate of Need (CN) allowing MHA to purchase the facility. The CN process is designed to determine if potential owners have the resources and experience to safely and effectively run an acute-care hospital.
http://www.njspotlight.com/stories/16/08/10/meadowlands-hospital-s-tangled-web-of-questionable-business-practices/ |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 11:25 AM Author: Pale pistol station Tamara Dunaev: Second in Command at Meadowlands Hospital Playing a complex role in a series of convoluted business relationships Tamara Dunaev is vice-chair of the board of directors of Meadowlands Hospital. ... With her husband Vladimir, Dunaev lives in a Franklin Lakes home they bought in 2008 for $3.34 million, property records show. |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 11:31 AM Author: Pale pistol station Meadowlands Hospital Owners -- 2011 It's complicated: The hospital was bought in 2010 by a for-profit group known as MHA LLC. Behind this limited liability company are 17 other LLCs and 37 individuals. The principals, with the largest ownership interests, are Richard Lipsky, Anastasia Burlyuk, Tamara Dunaev and Pavel Pogodin. |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 11:21 AM Author: transparent step-uncle's house volcanic crater They really must close this loophole. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36425116) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 11:21 AM Author: Supple Hunting Ground Dog Poop illegals do this without paying
OP literally racist against Russians, which is odd b/c they are HuWhite |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 11:39 AM Author: Pale pistol station "illegals do this without paying"
Not sure what point youre trying to convey with the "without paying" qualifier. These Russians pour millions into the coffers of the (also Russian) hospital ownership group. And that is somehow a positive? |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 11:55 AM Author: snowy market How dare they operate a business, pay taxes and pour money into the US economy. Those bastards!
Why cant they just work for $3 per hour, take jobs from regular Americans instead of creating jobs, and drain thousands of our tax dollars on their free medical care while paying no taxes at all??? |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 12:17 PM Author: Pale pistol station These Russians arent offering some innovative product dummy. They are hospital administrators who bought this property so they could use it to flood our country with current and future Russian agents. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36425396) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 11:59 PM Author: snowy market As opposed to all the american owned businesses, 100% of which are offering an innovative product? most businesses are just getting by, doing their thing, paying their taxes. That's what being an american is, we're fine with that.
I just wonder at what point being an american became all about using every free program the government has to offer while bitching that the government just isn't quite doing enough. After all, you what you and your 6 kids deserve moar for your $3 an hour fruit picking salary. And protip, all dem programs, the russian hospital owners along with the rest of us taxpayers are paying for it. |
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Date: July 15th, 2018 12:17 AM Author: Pale pistol station Lol at these non sequiturs. When I read something this stupid from your midget husband I can write it off as typical Russian deceit and sophistry, but when it's from you I have to consider the fact that you are 110 IQ max, and may be actually trying to make a point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36428765) |
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Date: July 15th, 2018 12:50 AM Author: deranged mother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36428876) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 12:34 PM Author: Pale pistol station Oh what captains of industry!
SECAUCUS, NJ — Secaucus' struggling, D-rated hospital, Meadowlands Hospital Medical Center, came one step closer last week to being sold to a new owner. On Nov. 21, in a 5-0 vote, New Jersey's Health Planning Board approved the sale of Meadowlands Hospital Medical Center to a Long Island developer, Yan Moshe, the Jersey Journal newspaper reported.
Meadowlands Medical Center is fraught with problems: The hospital is routinely given a "D" grade for patient safety and protocols by nonprofit group Leapfrog. The hospital is currently only operating at about 13 percent capacity, meaning that on any given day only about 26 of its 200 beds are full.
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Date: July 14th, 2018 12:38 PM Author: Supple Hunting Ground Dog Poop CR Beginning to think WLMAS's non-responsiveness (above and in every other thread) stems from mental illness OR he is trying to teach us a lesson in the frivolity of polithreading |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 12:44 PM Author: Pale pistol station Can't make sense of this Dagestenglish. How many times do i have to suggest that you run your posts by your St Petersburg supervisor? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36425477) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 9:39 PM Author: chartreuse lay (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36427999) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 12:41 PM Author: Pale pistol station Its also hilarious that you -- a Russian who IIRC lives in NJ, and so probably knows about this hoapital -- would try to defend it.
http://www.njspotlight.com/stories/17/10/10/sale-of-troubled-meadowlands-hospital-advances/
Reaping the benefits Meadowlands Hospital and Medical Center — which NJ Spotlight wrote about in a series that won a 2017 Edward R. Murrow Award for investigative reporting — has had a troubled history, dating back to its sale to the current ownership group in 2010. Key owners have invested millions in what was a near-bankrupt facility, but have also reaped millions through payouts and transactions with other businesses they control.
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Date: July 14th, 2018 8:26 PM Author: Vermilion Cheese-eating Liquid Oxygen LMAO, how many hospitals do you think exist in NJ? Of course we've never heard of it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36427714) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 8:30 PM Author: Pale pistol station How many other NJ hospitals are owned by 4 Russian doctors and known for funneling Russian women into America? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36427730) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 9:17 PM Author: Vermilion Cheese-eating Liquid Oxygen Why would Americans of Russian descent who already have citizenship give a flying fuck about hospitals specializing in getting people without citizenship into the country to give birth?
Or do you imagine that all Russians know each other? |
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Date: July 15th, 2018 1:11 AM Author: Duck-like Deep School Fortuitous Meteor "Why would Americans of Russian descent who already have citizenship give a flying fuck about hospitals specializing in getting people without citizenship into the country to give birth?"
Ordinarily, I would consider this to be a good a point. However, I also assume the vast majority of Americans of Russian descent view themselves as Americans and only Americans, and are not constantly boasting with pride about how Russia will crush America. On the rare occasion, Americans of Russian descent do engage in such behavior, yes, I would assume they would know about such hospitals located within a couple hundred miles of their where they live. |
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Date: July 15th, 2018 4:26 PM Author: Vermilion Cheese-eating Liquid Oxygen Literally no one thinks Russia is "going to crush America" (barring nuclear war, which will kill everyone). America is obviously going to collapse from within. Nor does this "program" have anything to do with "crushing America" and has everything to do with the fact that having US citizenship still has value. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36431735) |
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Date: July 15th, 2018 4:32 PM Author: Appetizing fantasy-prone reading party crackhouse we will only collapse from within if we keep letting cunts like you into the country (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36431755) |
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Date: July 15th, 2018 4:33 PM Author: Vermilion Cheese-eating Liquid Oxygen Yeah man, clearly a productive, married, Christian, tax-paying white guy who votes Republican and wants to slash immigration is what is going to tank this place. Any more thoughts? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36431762) |
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Date: July 15th, 2018 5:20 PM Author: Appetizing fantasy-prone reading party crackhouse you have no children therefore you are a burden to society
you have to go back |
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Date: July 15th, 2018 8:18 PM Author: Vermilion Cheese-eating Liquid Oxygen Keep your hat on, asshole. Within a few years we'll have that too.
That said, childless people that pay a shitton in taxes are great since we give a ton but don't take. |
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Date: July 28th, 2018 1:40 PM Author: Sticky stage yes you all know each other, and you will be beaten until you stop denying it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36513257) |
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Date: July 30th, 2018 11:48 AM Author: Pale pistol station (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36522058) |
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Date: July 15th, 2018 12:00 AM Author: snowy market So people invested money in a business and then tried to make money from the business? This is indeed outrageous. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36428704) |
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Date: July 15th, 2018 12:07 AM Author: Pale pistol station "So people" (4 russian nationals) "invested money in a business" (bought a large for-profit hospital using undetermined funds from a maze of 17 LLCs) "and then tried to make money from the business" (looks like they had little interest in running a business, but puts lots of energy into a birth tourism program that got shut down after this article). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36428731) |
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Date: July 15th, 2018 5:39 PM Author: Pale pistol station ?? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36432065) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 12:49 PM Author: Pale pistol station https://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2014/08/embattled_meadowlands_hospital_appoints_a_new_ceo_former_chief_takes_consulting_role.html
Bought while on the brink of bankruptcy in December 2010, Meadowlands’ owners have been at war with its largest labor union, Health Professionals and Allied Employees, for failing to pay health-benefit claims for its employees, among other grievances. The hospital has been penalized by the IRS for not turning over payroll taxes, fined by the state for withholding financial reports and cited as among the most expensive hospitals in America. |
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Date: July 15th, 2018 12:01 AM Author: snowy market Gc gonna gc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36428708) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 8:23 PM Author: Vermilion Cheese-eating Liquid Oxygen tcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36427703) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 11:22 AM Author: Bespoke passionate heaven gaping LOL so NOW anchor babies are a problem, libs? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36425119) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 11:22 AM Author: Odious location Make a law outlawing birth tourism. Done. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36425123) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 11:26 AM Author: Appetizing fantasy-prone reading party crackhouse *birthright citizenship (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36425147) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 1:14 PM Author: Lake impertinent alpha ...is flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36425601) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 8:23 PM Author: Vermilion Cheese-eating Liquid Oxygen tcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36427702) |
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Date: July 15th, 2018 9:59 PM Author: laughsome stock car (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36433576) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 11:33 AM Author: Multi-colored Idiotic Potus foreign babies born here should become government property (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36425174) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 11:33 AM Author: Supple Hunting Ground Dog Poop (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36425176) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 11:35 AM Author: Appetizing fantasy-prone reading party crackhouse perfect space force recruits (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36425189) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 12:36 PM Author: unholy corner Liberals must be systematically killed to protect our very existence as a nation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36425451) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 12:38 PM Author: bisexual wild space international law enforcement agency I rent apartments to a similar program in Brooklyn. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36425454) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 1:12 PM Author: Pale pistol station (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36425592) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:17 PM Author: Pale pistol station (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36425918) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 6:32 PM Author: Appetizing fantasy-prone reading party crackhouse FUCK LIBS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36427178) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 7:53 PM Author: Pale pistol station (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36427559) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 7:56 PM Author: Trip Lettuce Chinese do this on a much more massive scale. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36427572) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 8:03 PM Author: Pale pistol station Link to 4 Chinese doctors buying a US Hospital with $$ funnelled through byzantine holding companies and then using that hospital to launch a program that brings hordes of pregnant women to the US and then returns them to their country (presumably to allow their dual citizen spawn to get SVR/GRU training)? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36427605) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 8:28 PM Author: Vermilion Cheese-eating Liquid Oxygen LMAO, you're literally insane. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36427719) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 8:56 PM Author: Trip Lettuce Google Chinese birth tourism. It’s pretty elaborate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36427818) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 9:04 PM Author: Pale pistol station Looked. Couldnt find any examples similar to Russian nationals buying big for profit hospitals with undetermined funding and then using the hospitals to start birth tourism programs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36427852) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 9:20 PM Author: Vermilion Cheese-eating Liquid Oxygen The hospital isn't necessary for a birth tourism program. The key is someone to help with the visa and a place to stay. Otherwise, any hospital will do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36427901) |
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Date: July 15th, 2018 12:03 AM Author: snowy market I think you have this backwards. The hospital isnt creating the demand, they're just trying to make money by supplying a product. The demand is already there.
If this hospital wasnt doing it, someone else would.
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Date: July 15th, 2018 12:09 AM Author: Pale pistol station Oh, I don't doubt that there was a demand in the Kremlin for the "product" this "hospital" supplied (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36428737) |
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Date: July 15th, 2018 12:12 AM Author: snowy market I'm genuinely curious, how do you think this works? Like the hospital is funding some brilliant ad campaign to convince Russian women to do this who otherwise would never dream of doing such a thing? And this is actually all a part of some russian government plot? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36428748) |
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Date: July 15th, 2018 12:21 AM Author: Pale pistol station The quality of their ad copy is kind of beside the point you dumb cow (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36428776) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 8:21 PM Author: Pale pistol station Plz respond (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36427693) |
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Date: July 15th, 2018 9:35 PM Author: Pale pistol station (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36433369) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 8:24 PM Author: Vermilion Cheese-eating Liquid Oxygen Protips: rich people from non-1st world countries do this all the time and is a consequence of idiotic birthright citizenship. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36427706) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 8:28 PM Author: Pale pistol station Rich people from other countries purchase hospitals through four Russian-born doctors who do very little in the way of business development but do immediately implement a first-of-its-kind marketing program aimed at bringing pregnant Russians into the country? Link? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36427723) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 8:33 PM Author: Vermilion Cheese-eating Liquid Oxygen https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/01/china-us-birth-tourism_n_7187180.html
Here's an entire article on it. They sell packages in China just as they do in Russia. They do it in a bunch of other places too. |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 8:39 PM Author: Pale pistol station While U.S. "birthing houses" and "maternity hotels" have been targeted by the feds, an American for-profit hospital openly marketing U.S. citizenship appears to be the first of its kind, according to one government source and watchdog groups.
First of its kind, and that doesnt even take into account the odd ownership coincidence (4 main principals who are Russians) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 9:03 PM Author: Vermilion Cheese-eating Liquid Oxygen From your own link: ""There is no clear law that prevents hospitals from establishing this business and promoting it abroad and there’s no law against a foreigner coming here for the specific purpose of having a baby," said Vaughan. "It only crosses the line into a violation of law if they are misrepresenting the purpose of their visit or if they were to overstay or if they were to fraudulently claim public benefits.""
The article I linked to starts with a Chinese person just shrugging and saying they're having a baby in the US.
IOW, this goes on all the time.
Also from your article: "A booming business, birth tourism appeals to middle and upper- middle class couples in countries such as Russia and China, most of whom return home after the baby is born, though Vaughan noted this is difficult to track. The dual citizenship granted to their baby is considered an insurance policy, should the child choose to return to the U.S. to attend school -- and receive in-state tuition -- or the parents opt to apply for permanent U.S. residency."
This is what happens when you have a retarded law (birthright citizenship). That's the real problem here. |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 9:11 PM Author: Pale pistol station To clarify, you're not disputing that Russians are the only ones who have bought a for profit hospital that appears to have done nothing in the way of biz development during the brief time it was under Russian ownership but did launch a program aimed at bringing Russian mothers into the country? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36427878) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 9:19 PM Author: Vermilion Cheese-eating Liquid Oxygen I don't understand the significance of the purchase of the hospital. Who cares who owns the hospital? The kid gets citizenship regardless and no hospital cares whether the patient is Russian, Chinese, or whatever. All they care about is if you can pay.
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Date: July 14th, 2018 9:20 PM Author: Pale pistol station Lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36427902) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 9:21 PM Author: Vermilion Cheese-eating Liquid Oxygen Did a Russian nurse drop you when you were a baby or something? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36427906) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 9:33 PM Author: Flushed underhanded police squad A Russian guy made him become a dumb alcoholic nig nog and killed his worthless, good for nothing grandfather (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36427957) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 9:37 PM Author: Vermilion Cheese-eating Liquid Oxygen This thread didn't go the way OP hoped... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36427989) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 9:44 PM Author: Pale pistol station Lol okay Boris. With the exception of three literal Russians (you, your wife and HoldUp) and Mance Rayder (most ultrapartisan GOP geek here) even the reptiles ITT are horrified (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36428032) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 9:58 PM Author: Vermilion Cheese-eating Liquid Oxygen That's not what I'm seeing ITT. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36428114) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 11:37 PM Author: Pale pistol station Lol okay. You make a very persuasive argument that the ethnicity of this hospital's owners is not even noteworthy. I'm sure that's what you'd say if it was 4 Mexican or Chinese nationals. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36428597) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 11:54 PM Author: Vermilion Cheese-eating Liquid Oxygen Of course I would. By the way, plenty of non-Americans own clinics/hospitals. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36428669) |
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Date: July 15th, 2018 12:04 AM Author: Pale pistol station How many of those non-Americans buy large for profit hospitals with three friends from the same country, using undetermined funds that are shrouded through 17 LLCs, and then show very little interest in actually running a business but an intense interest in establishing a birth tourism program that is heavily advertised in the target country but kept quiet here and shut down when word gets out? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36428722) |
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Date: July 15th, 2018 12:07 AM Author: snowy market Gosh, I dunno. And even if there is, if their names arent exactly the same, does that even count? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36428732) |
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Date: July 15th, 2018 3:46 PM Author: Pale pistol station What? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36431552) |
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Date: July 15th, 2018 12:26 AM Author: Vermilion Cheese-eating Liquid Oxygen "How many of those non-Americans buy large for profit hospitals with three friends from the same country"
A bunch of people partner with others from the country they're from to buy a business for what should be obvious reasons.
"using undetermined funds that are shrouded through 17 LLCs"
Right, which is a concern w/r/t taxes for Russian authorities, of course. You care about Russia get their tax $$$s suddenly? I mean, I think they should, but I never thought of you as a Russian patriot.
"and then show very little interest in actually running a business but an intense interest in establishing a birth tourism program"
LMAO, you don't see how getting women to come to the US and give birth in say, a hospital, might be directly related to their business?
"heavily advertised in the target country but kept quiet here"
As opposed to Chinese and other businesses? Of course it was.
"and shut down when word gets out"
Because apparently they didn't pay taxes or wages here either. |
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Date: July 15th, 2018 12:47 AM Author: Pale pistol station "using undetermined funds that are shrouded through 17 LLCs"
Right, which is a concern w/r/t taxes for Russian authorities, of course. You care about Russia get their tax $$$s suddenly? I mean, I think they should, but I never thought of you as a Russian patriot.
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Any other reason to care about where these four russian doctors and 17 LLCs got the money to buy a hospital they used to Trojan horse Russian women into the country? |
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Date: July 15th, 2018 3:36 PM Author: Vermilion Cheese-eating Liquid Oxygen Probably some bullshit businesses in Russia that they also fucked up and similarly didn't pay taxes/wages for. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36431493) |
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Date: July 15th, 2018 3:38 PM Author: Pale pistol station Any reason that *Americans* should be concerned about the ethnicity of the four doctors and the provenance of the funds their 17 LLCs used to acquire a for profit hospital in the US that was used to Trojan Horse pregnant women into are country? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36431505) |
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Date: July 15th, 2018 3:38 PM Author: Pale pistol station Any reason that *Americans* should be concerned about the ethnicity of the four doctors and the provenance of the funds their 17 LLCs used to acquire a for profit hospital in the US that was used to Trojan Horse pregnant women into are country? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36431506) |
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Date: July 15th, 2018 4:30 PM Author: Vermilion Cheese-eating Liquid Oxygen That's the ridiculous point you're trying to make, no? Of course, the answer is that it doesn't matter if the doctors are Israeli, Nigerian, Russian, whatever, since the end result is that the children end up with American citizenship regardless.
Let's try this differently - if this were Chinese and Russian doctors or Mexicans and Russian doctors, all for the purposes of taking advantage of the US's retarded birthright citizenship law, would this make it better? If so, why? |
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Date: July 15th, 2018 5:20 PM Author: Pale pistol station "That's the ridiculous point you're trying to make, no? Of course, the answer is that it doesn't matter if the doctors are Israeli, Nigerian, Russian, whatever, since the end result is that the children end up with American citizenship regardless"
Do you think this story is only a concern because of the immigration fraud issue? Are there any other concerns you might be overlooking? |
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Date: July 15th, 2018 7:39 PM Author: Vermilion Cheese-eating Liquid Oxygen It isn't even immigration fraud. It is the product of a shitty system. You can actually show up and tell them that you are coming here to give birth and they'll let you in.
But I don't see other concerns, no. But why don't you tell us what your concerns are. |
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Date: July 15th, 2018 7:55 PM Author: Pale pistol station Lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36432703) |
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Date: July 15th, 2018 8:18 PM Author: Vermilion Cheese-eating Liquid Oxygen pwn3d again (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36432806) |
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Date: July 15th, 2018 9:09 PM Author: Pale pistol station Do you think there are any national security concerns? If you had to guess do you think counterintel officials might open a file and be interested in the operations of this Russian owned hospital and its "marketing/bizdev" tourism program? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36433168) |
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Date: July 15th, 2018 9:38 PM Author: Vermilion Cheese-eating Liquid Oxygen I highly doubt counter-intel cares at all about this and you're insane to think that they do. LOL @ thinking this is in any way a Russian intel operation and not a bunch of rich Russians buying citizenship for their kids. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36433400) |
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Date: July 15th, 2018 9:44 PM Author: Pale pistol station Why do you think the hospital shut down this program as soon as it was exposed? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36433438) |
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Date: July 15th, 2018 9:45 PM Author: Vermilion Cheese-eating Liquid Oxygen Because they looked into whether they were doing things like paying wages/taxes and it turned out they weren't? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36433449) |
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Date: July 15th, 2018 9:49 PM Author: Pale pistol station Where are you getting that from? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36433494) |
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Date: July 15th, 2018 10:06 PM Author: Vermilion Cheese-eating Liquid Oxygen They're those sorts of people. But there's nothing to suggest they were shut down because "OMG RUSSIANS" and not because they violated a bunch of laws (safety, taxes, fees paid, wages, etc.) which would apply just as much if the owners were any nationality on the planet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36433631) |
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Date: July 15th, 2018 10:12 PM Author: Pale pistol station Lmfao what "bunch of laws" did this birth tourism program--which you describe ITT as legal--violate? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36433687) |
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Date: July 15th, 2018 11:04 PM Author: Vermilion Cheese-eating Liquid Oxygen You seem to have time. Why don't you tell us. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36434017) |
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Date: July 15th, 2018 11:17 PM Author: Pale pistol station I'm not the one who suggested that NJ labor code violations and Russian tax laws were why these 4 Russian doctors who bought a for profit hospital with indeterminable funding routed thru 17 LLCs shut down their unusual Moscow birth tourism program. You suggested that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36434087) |
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Date: July 15th, 2018 11:45 PM Author: swashbuckling orchestra pit I’m going to regret this but I have to ask:
Do you think this hospital was somehow an instrument of Russian state policy? Perhaps a KGB device to implant Russian sleeper agents from birth into the United States? Maybe you suggest the money came directly from Putin via the LLCs? |
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Date: July 16th, 2018 12:01 AM Author: Pale pistol station Don't you have a college kid poster to suck off u geriatric dumb boomer? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36434439) |
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Date: July 16th, 2018 12:04 AM Author: swashbuckling orchestra pit I would be interested in your answer so I will ask again. How about, rather than flinging poop, spamming, or posting links to random threads, you articulate what you think this means. Let’s see how that goes. So my question again:
I’m going to regret this but I have to ask:
Do you think this hospital was somehow an instrument of Russian state policy? Perhaps a KGB device to implant Russian sleeper agents from birth into the United States? Maybe you suggest the money came directly from Putin via the LLCs? |
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Date: July 16th, 2018 12:07 AM Author: Pale pistol station Sorry pants shitter, not interested in discussing anything with you. Maybe go find a college poster to suck off (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36434497) |
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Date: July 16th, 2018 12:11 AM Author: swashbuckling orchestra pit So you’re incapable of giving a straight answer like a grownup would? Easier to spam and fling poop? Got it. Never seen you do anything else. But just in case you manage to get it together enough, I’ll leave my question here one more time:
I’m going to regret this but I have to ask:
Do you think this hospital was somehow an instrument of Russian state policy? Perhaps a KGB device to implant Russian sleeper agents from birth into the United States? Maybe you suggest the money came directly from Putin via the LLCs? |
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Date: July 16th, 2018 12:13 AM Author: Pale pistol station Date: July 16th, 2018 12:07 AM Author: ,,..,...,..,.,...,.,.,.,,,,,,,..,.,.,. ( )
Sorry pants shitter, not interested in discussing anything with you. Maybe go find a college poster to suck off
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36434497)
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Date: July 16th, 2018 12:20 AM Author: swashbuckling orchestra pit LOL and you wonder why you get treated like a child here. But just in case, here it is again:
I’m going to regret this but I have to ask:
Do you think this hospital was somehow an instrument of Russian state policy? Perhaps a KGB device to implant Russian sleeper agents from birth into the United States? Maybe you suggest the money came directly from Putin via the LLCs? |
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Date: July 16th, 2018 12:28 AM Author: Pale pistol station May reconsider my reluctance to engage a 50-year-old megaposter idiot. But first you have to describe your arthritis and plans for medicare exces coverage, while also explaining why a near retiree begins his day by gchatting a Tufts student (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36434608) |
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Date: July 16th, 2018 12:39 AM Author: swashbuckling orchestra pit Why don’t we have a separate conversation about our health one time and you can also tell me how you’ll avoid having your legs cut off at 45 and being dead of diabetes at 50, and how bad the brain damage from your alcoholism really is. But for the moment, let’s start you off gently with a simple question:
I’m going to regret this but I have to ask:
Do you think this hospital was somehow an instrument of Russian state policy? Perhaps a KGB device to implant Russian sleeper agents from birth into the United States? Maybe you suggest the money came directly from Putin via the LLCs?
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Date: July 16th, 2018 11:31 AM Author: Vermilion Cheese-eating Liquid Oxygen lol, wow, haha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36436428) |
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Date: July 17th, 2018 9:16 AM Author: swashbuckling orchestra pit He still won’t respond (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36443338) |
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Date: July 17th, 2018 12:07 PM Author: swashbuckling orchestra pit still no response? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36444297) |
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Date: July 15th, 2018 12:04 AM Author: snowy market If rich mexicanas with tens of thousands to spend were coming to this country, I would be a lot more ok with it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36428721) |
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Date: July 15th, 2018 12:11 AM Author: Pale pistol station Lol you dumb Vatnik cow. The argument that this is some job creation program is both retarded and entirely beside the point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36428746) |
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Date: July 15th, 2018 12:12 AM Author: snowy market You majored in poli sci, didnt you? I dont think you get how business works. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36428750) |
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Date: July 15th, 2018 12:19 AM Author: Pale pistol station Lol, the dazzling economic insight and business acumen of Mandy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36428768) |
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Date: July 15th, 2018 4:04 PM Author: Pale pistol station (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36431634) |
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Date: July 15th, 2018 10:16 PM Author: Clear excitant trust fund that's it. END ALL IMMIGRATION, LEGAL OR NOT. I'm sick of this shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36433716) |
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Date: July 15th, 2018 10:26 PM Author: Pale pistol station (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36433780) |
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Date: July 16th, 2018 12:12 AM Author: fiercely-loyal doobsian foreskin institution (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36434532) |
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Date: July 16th, 2018 6:11 AM Author: Pale pistol station 10 kopek (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36435194) |
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Date: July 16th, 2018 11:31 AM Author: Vermilion Cheese-eating Liquid Oxygen tcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36436431) |
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Date: July 16th, 2018 12:22 AM Author: swashbuckling orchestra pit Simple question that wlmas is incapable of answering. I’m going to regret this but I have to ask:
Do you think this hospital was somehow an instrument of Russian state policy? Perhaps a KGB device to implant Russian sleeper agents from birth into the United States? Maybe you suggest the money came directly from Putin via the LLCs? |
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Date: July 17th, 2018 10:44 AM Author: swashbuckling orchestra pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36443746) |
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Date: July 17th, 2018 12:08 PM Author: Vermilion Cheese-eating Liquid Oxygen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36444298) |
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Date: July 26th, 2018 2:22 AM Author: swashbuckling orchestra pit No reply? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36498579) |
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Date: July 16th, 2018 8:02 AM Author: Pale pistol station (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36435325) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2018 7:19 AM Author: Pale pistol station (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36479437) |
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Date: July 24th, 2018 7:51 AM Author: Pale pistol station (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36486013) |
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Date: July 24th, 2018 8:00 AM Author: adventurous chestnut parlor Odd that Fox News reported this since they're usually firmly under Putin's thumb. You would think GRU handlers would've vetoed this piece to protect the ongoing operation and their supply of baby officers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36486033) |
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Date: July 24th, 2018 8:10 AM Author: Flushed underhanded police squad LOL at this being “scary” compared to hordes of poor Central Americans crossing the border. You’re deranged (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36486038) |
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Date: July 28th, 2018 1:23 PM Author: Pale pistol station (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36513199) |
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Date: July 28th, 2018 1:37 PM Author: Fear-inspiring Bateful Scourge Upon The Earth if we could indoctrinate them here and then send them back to Russia and China, i'd be OK with that. but seems the opposite is more likely. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36513248) |
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Date: July 30th, 2018 11:36 AM Author: Sticky stage I agree with your assessment. Why do you think that is the case though? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36521988) |
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Date: November 12th, 2018 11:09 AM Author: Pale pistol station Because the Kremlin would imprison, torture and kill the families of any Russian suspected of turning? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#37215589) |
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Date: August 12th, 2018 1:51 PM Author: Pale pistol station (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#36603919) |
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Date: October 31st, 2018 2:20 PM Author: Pale pistol station (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#37132801) |
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Date: March 28th, 2019 2:28 AM Author: thriller shrine toaster (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4025769&forum_id=2#38003421) |