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Why My Son Still Won't Join the Boy Scouts
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Date: May 24th, 2013 4:20 PM Author: Magical theater stage http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/05/why-my-son-still-wont-join-the-boy-scouts/276235/
"A year ago, he wanted to go to a Cub Scout informational meeting. Now, he says Thursday's vote wasn't enough.
My son walks over to my desk and hands me a flyer about a Cub Scout informational meeting. "Should we go?" he says, in his slow, choppy speech. "Warren is a Cub Scout."
Warren is a Cub Scout. Warren is also one of my son's favorite classmates, an incandescent boy with a big smile and a bigger heart. And while my son has made several such friends by the end of second grade, they have a hard time imagining that the kid with the ankle braces would be good company on a play date. Scouting could be a key social outlet for him.
On one hand, I tell him, the Boy Scouts have a history of fully including scouts with disabilities. Many have made Eagle, including one local boy who, for his service project, built a storage shed for the physical therapy clinic he has attended all his life. On the other hand, the Boy Scouts do not allow gay people to participate--not as scouts, not as leaders, not as volunteers.
My kids are both staring at me. They've grown up in the San Francisco Bay Area. They've never heard of such a thing.
But a few weeks earlier, in April 2012, Jennifer Tyrrell has been ousted as a den leader by the Boy Scouts because she is a lesbian. I show the kids an NBC News story where Tyrrell cries as she worries that the boys in her troop will think she abandoned them. Scout executive Bob Drury, meanwhile, steadfastly maintains that "individuals who are open or avowed homosexuals" can "distract" from the Boy Scouts' mission: to develop character and leadership.
The kids want to know why the Boy Scouts have this policy. We talk about how people have a variety of beliefs and values. We also talk about how prejudice often emanates from fear of someone different than you.
My son's lower lip is in full pout. He takes a breath.
"I have gay aunts," he says.
"Yes, you do," I say.
"Why would anyone be afraid of my aunts? They don't have a gun."
He's not climbing up on a gun-control soapbox. He's just a 7-year-old explaining that his aunts are not scary. They aren't trying to give him a flu shot; Voldemort isn't hiding in their hallway; and they don't have a gun. They have two jobs, a mortgage and a beautiful baby girl.
But Warren is a Cub Scout.
"Should we go?" my son asks again.
I leave it up to him.
He stands there, eyes downcast, for a minute. Then he walks over and puts the flyer into the recycling bin.
On Thursday of this week, a year after our conversation, the Boy Scouts voted to allow gay youth to participate in Scouting--but not gay adults. My son says that's not good enough. He will miss out on the camping trips, the friendships, the sense of achievement. But I don't think he needs the Boy Scouts to teach him character."
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Date: May 24th, 2013 4:28 PM Author: Ungodly rough-skinned den international law enforcement agency I would have issues sending my son. I'm fairly certain in my part of the country most of the pack hierarchy would care less if any of den moms or pack leaders were gay but the explicit ban nationally is retarded and I dont see it as a bad thing for kids and their parents refuse to join a club that would exclude gays just for being gay.
How does that not make sense? Its harder to explain that this half-step now makes it ok.
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Date: May 24th, 2013 4:46 PM Author: Magical theater stage i don't have a problem with people who decide they don't want to be a part of an organization. the problem with the article is
1. she acts so proud her kid as if he came to the decision on his own. just lol. she obviously made the decision for him by making it sound like he would be doing the "right thing" by not joining.
2. but in reality she just sacrificed her own kid's joy for some dumb political issue which has no bearing on his life. she admits he is an outcast and his only friend invited him to do something where he could socialize. but instead of embracing that she got him to turn it down over a gay issue? lol.
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Date: May 24th, 2013 5:01 PM Author: beady-eyed obsidian mood (reptile CHEERING 12yo son's independent decision to harass gay kids on the school bus) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2264806&forum_id=2#23263064) |
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Date: May 24th, 2013 5:02 PM Author: bat shit crazy deranged community account chapel whole article is basically a shitlib humblebrag (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2264806&forum_id=2#23263074) |
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Date: May 24th, 2013 4:33 PM Author: Pearly adulterous mad cow disease indirect expression actually one of the better liberal articles. reptiles maf the kids can be gay but not the scoutmasters. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2264806&forum_id=2#23262863) |
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Date: May 24th, 2013 4:36 PM Author: Abnormal irradiated market a 7 year old from San Fran who thinks guns are scary, says the BSA "hasn't gone far enough"
who gives a shit what a 7 year old parrot has to say? |
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Date: May 24th, 2013 4:44 PM Author: Racy public bath pozpig the Boy Scouts are in a tough position: on the one hand, they are an antiquated institution that desperately needs to evolve to stay relevant, on the other hand, their largest supporter is the mormons. that's why it took years for them to allow gay members in the first place. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2264806&forum_id=2#23262948) |
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Date: May 24th, 2013 4:51 PM Author: Magical theater stage mormons all up on that boy scout tip. pretty sure they pay for all their members to be boy scouts. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2264806&forum_id=2#23262984) |
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Date: May 24th, 2013 8:19 PM Author: Cheese-eating indigo address Embracing gays will do nothing for them except make them more pathetic. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2264806&forum_id=2#23264028) |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 7:55 AM Author: Marvelous Outnumbered Hunting Ground Here's the big f'n problem now:
Even if it's just openly gay kids that are allowed in, I don't want my 12 yo, hetero son out in the woods with a 16 yo, homo boy.
Would you be cool sending your 12 yo daughter out on a camping trip with a 16 yo hetero? |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 9:00 AM Author: green drunken locale patrolman Your son is ugly and the gay 16 year old won't want to fuck him. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2264806&forum_id=2#23266564) |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 11:07 AM Author: chrome senate I thought this would be about how parents would have issues sending their sons to be part of an organization that had openly gay members.
How many young boys are openly gay?
I suppose it shouldn't matter as long as the gay scout doesn't have being gay as his primary identity, but I still don't like the idea of my son being around gays when he's supposed to be learning about morals and shit. |
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Date: May 25th, 2013 2:51 PM Author: cordovan really tough guy cruise ship homosexuality is not immoral, you bigot
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Date: May 25th, 2013 3:13 PM Author: chrome senate This is my issue. I like to think I'm not homophobic. I don't have any problems with homosexuality, per se. But having a young son exposed to avowed homosexuals isn't my idea of good parenting. I know that gays aren't going to want to convert my son or anything. I just think it opens up a whole can of worms.
As long as the gays don't flaunt their sexuality I guess it's fine. And if I had a gay son I'd want him to grow up with the same access to activities growing up as I did.
Tough call all around. |
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