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Fun Talmud Hypo: Found $100 Bill On Shabbos; OK To Kick It Home? (Link)
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 8:50 AM Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;.., Shabbos and Yom Tov #41 Found Money Rabbi Meir Orlian Wed Mar 18 2026 Based on the writings of Rav Chaim Kohn, שליט''א Based on the writings of Harav Chaim Kohn, shlita
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While taking a Shabbos walk, I encountered a $100 bill. Am I allowed to possess it?
There is an issue of muktzeh and — if no eruv
— an issue of carrying. Although Chazal provided certain leniencies regarding the prospective loss of one’s wallet, the leniencies are not applicable to money that is found, since it is not yours yet (O.C. 266:13).
Thus, you may not pick up the $100 bill, even if there is an eruv, because of muktzeh (Mishnah Berurah 266:38). However, according to many Acharonim, you can kick it aside with your foot to a secure place if there is an eruv (Shemiras Shabbos K’Hilchasah 22:36).
There is a dispute between the Acharonim as to whether you may tell a non-Jew to pick up the bill for you, despite its being muktzeh. However, while you may not tell him to carry it if there is no eruv, if he chooses to bring it to your house of his own accord, you do not have to stop him (Mishnah Ber-urah, ibid.).
Nonetheless, if you found a valuable item that is not muktzeh and there is an eruv, you may possess it and take it home. It is not considered a transac-tion, because there is no seller or giver. However, you should not raise it in a manner that blatantly indicates acquisition (Shemiras Shabbos K’Hilcha-sah 29:32[89]).
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 11:37 AM Author: Buses 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848647&forum_id=2#49762232) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 11:57 AM Author: big chief (🇺🇸 🇵🇱) Why can't you just ask a shabbos goyim to pick it up for you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848647&forum_id=2#49762305) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 11:59 AM Author: tancredi marchiolo can u read (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848647&forum_id=2#49762309) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 12:25 PM Author: big chief (🇺🇸 🇵🇱) Yes you fucking moron. The hypo does not mention asking a shabbos goyim, just "someone"
Shabbos goyim are how you pricks trick God |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 1:20 PM Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;.., poor rc? it literally says "non-Jew" which is a shabbos goy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848647&forum_id=2#49762633) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 2:37 PM Author: big chief (🇺🇸 🇵🇱) a non-Jew is just another shabbos goyim? I thought shabbos goyim were blessed by rabbis or something so that they're allowed to facilitate your trickery. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848647&forum_id=2#49762896) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 2:39 PM Author: Buses i dont think jews are allowed to have a shabbos goy go so far as to come into their apartment and cook for them, turn on lights etc. but jews are allowed to stand there dumbly in an elevator until a goy pushes their floor |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 2:41 PM Author: big chief (🇺🇸 🇵🇱) no goyim are dumb enough to do that anymore, so now elevators in MFH just stop at every floor on Fridays and Saturdays. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848647&forum_id=2#49762916) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 2:46 PM Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;.., rofl didnt u live in mfh?
any goy can be a shabbos goy.
generally, you cant ask a shabbos goy directly do so something. that's why the case says "if he chooses to bring it to your house of his own accord, you do not have to stop him."
you have to hint your shabbos goy "it'd be really nice to have that $100 bill after shabbos" or "no i dont want you to pick up that $100 bill for me, but you can bring it to my house for me to have after shabbos only if you really want to"
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 2:48 PM Author: big chief (🇺🇸 🇵🇱) what about something like "hm, well, you could pick up that $100 bill and keep it for yourself, but if you really want that loan to get approved, then you will need to bring me the $100 bill after shabbos"? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848647&forum_id=2#49762939) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 11:59 AM Author: Consuela is there a difference based on the monetary amount? why is this hypo $100 and not $1 or even one penny? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848647&forum_id=2#49762310) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 1:22 PM Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;.., cq. the answer ues the phrase "if you found a valuable item ..."
there is something in halacha about avoiding significant financial losses, but it's not clear how to apply this here... or whether a $5 or a $20 might be a valuable item. |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 12:01 PM Author: TurboGook-16 ((zurich is stained)) why did jews invent all these retarded ass rules just to figure out loopholes? and why do you people still "follow" these rules in the modern era? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848647&forum_id=2#49762313) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 12:08 PM Author: tancredi marchiolo ur dad taught u to hit a baseball so one day you could hunt
same concept but jews are hunting goyim and their assets |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 12:23 PM Author: Consuela (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848647&forum_id=2#49762428) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 1:22 PM Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;.., (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848647&forum_id=2#49762637) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 2:48 PM Author: :-P (gunneratttt) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848647&forum_id=2#49762938) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 12:26 PM Author: Buses i dont even understand the last sentence. it seems to indicate you should not hold the pilfered goods high like a trophy but should instead cloak them in your black suits (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848647&forum_id=2#49762443) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 1:26 PM Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;.., it's talking about the western law equivalent of a claim of right and taking formal ownership. remember the shit in 1L properly law about taking ownership and making a claim against the world? its kind of the same thing.
in jewish law, you acquire something through an action asserting ownership. but you can't take formal ownership on shabbos. so it's giving a loophole so you can kinda take custody of the item without really taking formal ownership. |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 1:34 PM Author: Buses so you cna find a diamond ring (not a $100 bill) (and as long as there is dental floss in teh sky), take it home and then claim ownership over it at sunset? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848647&forum_id=2#49762670) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 1:35 PM Author: Consuela dental floss in the sky tp lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848647&forum_id=2#49762671) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 1:45 PM Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;.., depends on whether the diamond ring is considered mukzeh.
mukzeh means something that has no shabbos purpose. you're not allowed to touch mukzeh, which is an item that has no shabbos purpose.
a $100 bill is mukzeh since it has no shabbos purpose.
a diamond ring that's wearable might not be mukzeh since women wear jewelry on shabbos.
but if you found a raw 5ct diamond, it's mukzeh. |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 2:39 PM Author: big chief (🇺🇸 🇵🇱) now let's just be 100% honest here: if you or another kike spots a raw 5ct diamond laying on the ground during shabbos, do you really expect us to believe you wouldn't bend over, pick it up, and hide it in your shtreimel? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848647&forum_id=2#49762910) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 2:42 PM Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;.., there's always yom kippur to atone for our sins! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848647&forum_id=2#49762921) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 2:42 PM Author: big queef Maybe this log in glitch isn't so bad after all. I don't need to be exposed to this stupid horseshit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848647&forum_id=2#49762919) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 2:43 PM Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;.., i was hoping to poast it saturday night, and couldn't poast it until mid-morning monday. it's a shonda! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848647&forum_id=2#49762922) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 2:44 PM Author: Hello, World! The real answer: Any Jew, through the power of choseness, can temporarily form a bubble of Friday around self, thus not violating the law of Saturday. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848647&forum_id=2#49762928) |