These days, though, I'm noticing a lot of Jews identifying with "people of color" on various racial issues. This doesn't really make sense to me in the context of the Jewish relations I grew up with.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286710&forum_id=2#23431617)

Ashkenazis are mixed middle eastern/white and a lot of them do look middle eastern/turkish.

I think some of them are trying to have it both ways, which ultimately ends up alienating them from both europeans and arabs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286710&forum_id=2#23431622)

But they also look down on regular whites. And they have always stood with people of color when it has comes to white opression.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286710&forum_id=2#23431693)

You can blame WASP pseudo-anthropologists for that. Real 'Caucasians' like chechens/georgians are not seen as white in Europe or Central Asia.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286710&forum_id=2#23431749)

I'm no hick, brother, and I can compete with the Jews just fine.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286710&forum_id=2#23432514)

Give an example in the last 10 years of an ashkenazi jew claiming he/she is not white

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286710&forum_id=2#23431673)

Jewish inmate says he isn't white.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4991738

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286710&forum_id=2#23431815)

american jews are often shitlibs who care about social justice in the same way the catholic church wants to help the poor.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286710&forum_id=2#23431874)

The whole phenomenon of nationalistic are country Jews is very much a thing of the past 10 years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286710&forum_id=2#23431623)

I think maybe what's happening is that a critical mass of jews from the rest of the country have finally showed up in the south and have started to have an impact on the culture of southern jews. also, the historic regional culture probably just has less influence in general given mass media, the internet, etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286710&forum_id=2#23432090)

Zimmerman is white?

Then white doesn't have any meaning. That's completely foolish, there shouldn't even be a category then.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286710&forum_id=2#23431842)

"White" has a non-fixed meaning that's socially determined. Maybe that should cause you to reject the entire concept of race as foolish, but it doesn't make your outdated definitions accurate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286710&forum_id=2#23431854)

You're superficial definitions don't have any meaning. Otherwise people like Jennifer Tilly are 'white'.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286710&forum_id=2#23431869)

My definitions have very relevant meaning unlike yours. It's just not logical, but it shouldn't be.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286710&forum_id=2#23431877)

They are not seen as visible minorities, that doesn't make them white.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286710&forum_id=2#23431884)

That's exactly what makes someone white.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286710&forum_id=2#23431899)

9/11 lebanese hijacker.

http://www.vosizneias.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/ziad-268x300.jpg

Looks like a lighter-than-average sephardic. No one claims that any of the 9/11 hijackers were 'white men'.

Can't have it both ways.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286710&forum_id=2#23431939)

Caucasian doesn't mean anything and again, you would have to say that the lebanese hijacker, who is about on par with a lighter than average sephardic, is considered 'white', which he isn't.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286710&forum_id=2#23431969)

You can't have it both ways.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286710&forum_id=2#23431995)

You can't have it both ways, since if he wasn't white, then neither are sephardics nor are armenians.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286710&forum_id=2#23432017)

I'm not ignoring anyone.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286710&forum_id=2#23432031)

You can't have it both ways.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286710&forum_id=2#23432037)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHf7jy4z19A

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286710&forum_id=2#23432079)

Some people can consider zimmerman to be white, but that doesn't change his genetic make-up. The same goes for anyone else.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286710&forum_id=2#23432125)

Genetic makeup isn't directly relevant to race.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286710&forum_id=2#23432143)

Maybe it causes you to think it shouldn't be the definition, but that changes nothing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286710&forum_id=2#23432215)

a group of persons related by common descent or heredity.

2.

a population so related.

3.

Anthropology .

a.

any of the traditional divisions of humankind, the commonest being the caucasian, Mongoloid, and Negro, characterized by supposedly distinctive and universal physical characteristics: no longer in technical use.

b.

an arbitrary classification of modern humans, sometimes, especially formerly, based on any or a combination of various physical characteristics, as skin color, facial form, or eye shape, and now frequently based on such genetic markers as blood groups.

c.

a human population partially isolated reproductively from other populations, whose members share a greater degree of physical and genetic similarity with one another than with other humans.

4.

a group of tribes or peoples forming an ethnic stock: the Slavic race.

5.

any people united by common history, language, cultural traits, etc.: the Dutch race.

You were saying?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286710&forum_id=2#23432229)

3b is also close to what I've been saying, e.g. physical characteristics were mainly important in the past.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286710&forum_id=2#23432295)

"and now frequently based on such genetic markers as blood groups."

If anything what you're saying is based on a past definition of race.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286710&forum_id=2#23432305)

There it is, ethnicity is not race.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286710&forum_id=2#23432328)

Ethnicity is another story.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286710&forum_id=2#23432337)

Term once commonly used in physical anthropology to denote a division of humankind possessing traits that are transmissible by descent and sufficient to characterize it as a distinct human type (e.g., Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid). Today the term has little scientific standing, as older methods of differentiation, including hair form and body measurement, have given way to the comparative analysis of DNA and gene frequencies relating to such factors as blood typing, the excretion of amino acids, and inherited enzyme deficiencies. Because all human populations today are extremely similar genetically, most researchers have abandoned the concept of race for the concept of the cline, a graded series of differences occurring along a line of environmental or geographical transition. This reflects the recognition that human populations have always been in a state of flux, with genes constantly flowing from one gene pool to another, impeded only by physical or ecological boundaries. While relative isolation does preserve genetic differences and allow populations to maximally adapt to climatic and disease factors over long periods of time, all groups currently existing are thoroughly “mixed” genetically, and such differences as still exist do not lend themselves to simple typologizing. “Race” is today primarily a sociological designation, identifying a class sharing some outward physical characteristics and some commonalities of culture and history. See also climatic adaptation, ethnic group, racism.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286710&forum_id=2#23432352)

It's a complicated enough term that concise definitions are usually insufficient.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286710&forum_id=2#23432385)

race, n.2

(reɪs)

Also 6–7 rase.

[a. F. race, earlier also rasse (1512), a. It. razza = Sp. raza, Pg. raça, of obscure origin.]

I.I A group of persons, animals, or plants, connected by common descent or origin.

   In the widest sense the term includes all descendants from the original stock, but may also be limited to a single line of descent or to the group as it exists at a particular period.

1. a.I.1.a The offspring or posterity of a person; a set of children or descendants. Chiefly poet.

   1570 Foxe A. & M. II. 1841/1 Thus was the outward race & stocke of Abraham after flesh refused.    1606 Shakes. Ant. & Cl. iii. xiii. 107 Haue I‥Forborne the getting of a lawfull Race, And by a Iem of women.    1667 Milton P.L. x. 385 High proof ye now have giv'n to be the Race Of Satan.    1712 Pope Messiah 65 Their Vines a shadow to their Race shall yield.    1784 Cowper Task iv. 384 Her infant race‥sit cow'ring o'er the sparks.    1842 Tennyson Locksley Hall 168, I will take some savage woman, she shall rear my dusky race.

transf. and fig.    1594 Hooker Eccl. Pol. iv. v, Such, as either we must acknowledge for our own forefathers or else disdain the race of Christ.    1728 Pope Dunc. i. 70 How Tragedy and Comedy embrace, How Farce and Epic get a jumbled race.    1820 Shelley Orpheus 110 Blackthorn bushes with their infant race Of blushing rose blooms.

†b.I.1.b Breeding, the production of offspring. Obs.

   1607 Topsell Four-f. Beasts (1658) 234 It behooveth therefore that the mares appointed for race be well compacted, of a decent quality.    1653 Greaves Seraglio 141 He hath also stables of stallions for race.    1667 Milton P.L. vii. 530 Male he created thee, but thy consort Femal for Race.

†c.I.1.c A generation. Obs. rare.

   1549–62 Sternhold & H. Ps. cii. 12 Thy remembrance euer doth abide from race to race.    1727–41 Chambers Cycl. s.v., In several orders of knighthood‥the candidates must prove a nobility of four races or descents.    [1790 Burke Fr. Rev. 51 If the last generations of your country appeared without much lustre in your eyes, you might have‥derived your claims from a more early race of ancestors.]

2. a.I.2.a A limited group of persons descended from a common ancestor; a house, family, kindred.

   a 1600 Wynne Hist. Gwydir Family (1878) 33 Some affirme Jevan ap Meredith to be the elder brother, and soe doth all the race that are of him contend.    1653 Holcroft Procopius i. 7 No Government to be conferr'd upon strangers in blood; but such onely to have the place, to whose race it did belong.    1734 Mrs. Delany Autobiog. & Corr. (1861) I. 431 Lady Weymouth's person bears away the bell, even from the Marlborough race.    1768 Sterne Sent. Journ. (1778) I. 4 (Calais) The Bourbon is by no means a cruel race.    1833 Tennyson Sisters 1 We were two daughters of one race.    1883 Green Conq. Eng. 418 [Eadmund Ironside] shared, no doubt, the weak constitution of his race.

b.I.2.b A tribe, nation, or people, regarded as of common stock.

   a 1600 Wynne Hist. Gwydir Family (1878) 20 Llewelyn ap Gruffith last Prince of Wales of the Brittish race.    1667 Milton P.L. i. 780 That Pigmean Race Beyond the Indian Mount.    1715 Pope Iliad iv. 51 Troy's whole race thou wouldst confound.    1726–46 Thomson Winter 499 A mighty people come! A race of heroes!    1827 D. Johnson Ind. Field Sports 140 The worst race of people inhabiting that part.    1863 F. A. Kemble Resid. in Georgia 11 The‥proscription under which their whole race is placed.

c.I.2.c A group of several tribes or peoples, regarded as forming a distinct ethnical stock.

   1842 Prichard Nat. Hist. Man 150 No two races of Men can be more strongly contrasted than were the ancient Egyptian and the Syro-Arabian races.    1868 Kingsley Heroes Pref. 10 They were all different tribes and peoples of the one great Hellen race.    1883 Green Conq. Eng. 54 Courage‥was a heritage of the whole German race.

d.I.2.d One of the great divisions of mankind, having certain physical peculiarities in common.

   The term is often used imprecisely; even among anthropologists there is no generally accepted classification or terminology.

   1774 Goldsm. Nat. Hist., Animals xxxiii, The second great variety in the human species seems to be that of the Tartar race.    1839 Penny Cycl. XIV. 361/2 Considerable differences occur in the general stature of the several races of mankind.    1861 Hulme tr. Moquin-Tandon i. v. 27 Blumenbach proposed to establish five races: 1st, the Caucasian; 2nd, the Mongolian; 3rd, the Ethiopian; 4th, the American; 5th, the Malay.    1936 Nature 18 Apr. 636/2 The races or types into which the anthropologist groups the varieties of Homo sapiens are ideal types.    1959 New Biol. XXIX. 69 From the U.N.E.S.C.O. statement we can define ‘race’ as ‘a division of man, the members of which, though individually varying, are characterized as a group by certain inherited physical features as having a common origin’.    1971 R. M. & F. M. Keesing New Perspectives in Cultural Anthropol. 51 It is at this point that the term ‘race’ becomes relevant. Though in popular usage it is emotionally charged and imprecise, it has a straightforward and important meaning in evolutionary biology. A race is a geographically separated, hence genetically somewhat distinctive, population within a species.

3. a.I.3.a A breed or stock of animals; a particular variety of a species.

   1580 Blundevil Horsemanship i. iii. B j, Of all the races in Græce, both the Horses and Mares of Thessalia‥are most celebrated.    1641 Hinde J. Bruen vii. 26, I have seene a Gentleman‥very carefull to have his horse of a generous race.    1745 Pococke Descr. East II. i. 196 There is a race of sheep in this country with four horns.    1781 Gibbon Decl. & F. II. 57 The plains‥bred a generous race of horses.    1839 Penny Cycl. XIV. 362/2 In the most highly domesticated races, as the spaniel, the cranium is more fully developed.    1880 Huxley Crayfish 292 In this manner, a variety, or race, is generated within the species.

†b.I.3.b A stud or herd (of horses). Obs.

   1547 Privy Council Acts (1890) II. 86 Persons having custodie of a studde or race of mares.    1596 Shakes. Merch. V. v. i. 72 Doe but note a wilde and wanton heard Or race of youthful and vnhandled coltes.    a 1626 Fletcher Double Marriage i. i, The rases of our horses he takes from us.    1667 Duchess of Newcastle Life Duke of N. (1886) II. 152 All this stock was lost, besides his race of horses.

c.I.3.c A genus, species, kind of animals.

   1605 Shakes. Macb. ii. iv. 15 Duncans Horses‥Beauteous, and swift, the Minions of their Race.    1687 Dryden Hind & P. i. 160 The wolfish race Appear with belly gaunt and famished face.    1727–46 Thomson Summer 388 Slow move the harmless race [sheep].    1774 Goldsm. Nat. Hist. (1776) VII. 190 The generality of mankind regard this formidable race [serpents] with horror.    a 1822 Shelley Hom. Merc. lii, I wish the race of cows were perished.

4.I.4 A genus, species, or variety of plants (cf. quot. 1880).

   1596 Spenser F.Q. v. i. 1 The wicked seede of vice Began to spring‥But evermore some of the vertuous race Rose up.    1712 Addison Spect. No. 387 ⁋7 The Seeds by which the several Races of Plants are propagated and continued.    1804 Knapp Brit. Grasses Pl. 119 The whole race of British grasses now before us.    1880 A. Gray Struct. Bot. ix. §1. 320 A race in this technical sense of the term, is a variety which is perpetuated with considerable certainty by sexual propagation.

5.I.5 One of the great divisions of living creatures: a.I.5.a Mankind. In early use always the human race, the race of men or mankind, etc.

   c 1580 Sidney Ps. xxi. x, From among the humane race [thou shalt] Roote out their generation.    1607 Shakes. Timon iv. i. 40 His hate may grow To the whole race of Mankinde.    1667 Milton P.L. ii. 348 The happy seat Of som new Race call'd Man.    1727–46 Thomson Summer 36 The flux of many thousand years, That oft has swept the toiling race of men‥away.    1781 Cowper Charity 22 That every tribe‥Might feel themselves allied to all the race.    1850 Tennyson In Mem. vi, One writes‥That ‘Loss is common to the race’.    1871 Morley Voltaire (1886) 2 It was one of the cardinal liberations of the growing race.

b.I.5.b A class or kind of beings other than men or animals.

   1667 Milton P.L. ii. 194 Shall we then live thus vile, the race of Heav'n Thus trampl'd.    1679 Dryden Ovid Met. i. 250 There dwells below a Race of Demi-Gods.    1781 Cowper Anti-Thelyphthora 199 The Fauns and Satyrs, a lascivious race.    1820 Shelley Prometh. Unb. i. 244 The voice With which our pallid race hold ghastly talk In darkness.

c.I.5.c One of the chief classes of animals (as beasts, birds, fishes, insects, etc.).

   1726–46 Thomson Winter 137 The plumy race, The tenants of the sky.    1728–46 ― Spring 123 Insect armies‥A feeble race.    1819 Shelley Cyclops 110 And who possess the land? The race of beasts?    Ibid. 244 The sacred waves and all the race of fishes.

6.I.6 Without article: a.I.6.a Denoting the stock, family, class, etc. to which a person, animal, or plant belongs, chiefly in phr. of (noble, etc.) race.

   1559 Sackville Induct. Mirr. Mag. vi, Som were Dukes, and came of regall race.    1590 Spenser F.Q. i. x. 8 Una‥Whom well she knew to spring from hevenly race.    Ibid. 60 Thou, faire ymp, sprong out from English race.    1611 Shakes. Wint. T. iv. iv. 95 [A] bud of Nobler race.    1660 Stanley Hist. Philos. ix. (1701) 362/1 Who, in Race, and Honour, and Wealth, excelled all the rest of the Citizens.    1703 Pope Thebais i. 685 A fate‥unworthy those of race divine!    1754 Gray Progr. Poesy 105 Two Coursers of ethereal race.    1873 Dixon Two Queens I. i. i. 5 His ablest servants were of Oriental race.

b.I.6.b The fact or condition of belonging to a particular people or ethnical stock; the qualities, etc. resulting from this.

   1849 Macaulay Hist. Eng. i. I. 16 In no country has the enmity of race been carried farther than in England.    1856 Emerson Eng. Traits, Race Wks. (Bohn) II. 21 Race in the negro is of appalling importance.    1890 Spectator 25 Jan., They are separated by language, by degree of civilisation, and by the indefinable aggregate of inherent differences which we call ‘race’.

†7.I.7 Natural or inherited disposition. Obs. rare.

   1603 Shakes. Meas. for M. ii. iv. 160 Now I giue my sensuall race, the reine.    1610 ― Temp. i. ii. 358 Thy vild race‥had that in't, which good natures Could not abide to be with.

II.II A group or class of persons, animals, or things, having some common feature or features.

8. a.II.8.a A set or class of persons.

   1500–20 Dunbar Poems xxvi. 50 Bakbyttaris of sindry racis.    a 1568 R. Ascham Scholem i. (Arb.) 66 His onely example had breed such a rase of worthie learned ientlemen, as this Realme neuer yet did affourde.    c 1580 Sidney Ps. xii. i, Ev'n the race of good men are decai'd.    a 1611 Beaum. & Fl. Maid's Trag. iv. ii, You preserve A race of idle people here about you, Facers and talkers.    1712 Budgell Spect. No. 404 ⁋3 To this Affectation the World owes its whole Race of Coxcombs.    1748 Thomson Cast. Indol. i. lii, The race of learned men, Still at their books.    1821 Lamb Elia Ser. 1, The Two Races of Men, The men who borrow, and the men who lend.    1875 Jowett Plato (ed. 2) V. 56 There arose a new race of poets‥who made pleasure the only criterion of excellence.

b.II.8.b One of the sexes. poet.

   1590 Spenser F.Q. iii. v. 52 In gentle Ladies breste and bounteous race Of woman kind.    1711 Steele Spect. No. 113 ⁋4 She is beautiful beyond the Race of Women.    1725 Pope Odyss. xi. 349 Three gallant sons‥but of the softer race, One nymph alone.

†c.II.8.c The line or succession of persons holding an office. Obs. rare—1.

   1570–6 Lambarde Peramb. Kent (1826) 306 The whole race of the Bishops succeeding Iustus in this See.

9. a.II.9.a A set, class, or kind of animals, plants, or things. Chiefly poet.

   1590 Spenser F.Q. ii. xii. 8 Seagulles‥And Cormoyraunts, with birds of ravenous race.    1648 Herrick Hesper., On Spalt (1869) 226 Of pushes Spalt has such a knottie race.    1715–20 Pope Iliad v. 66 Expert‥In woods and wilds to wound the savage race.    1783 Johnson Let. to Mrs. Thrale 20 Nov., I hope [her disease] is not of the cephalick race.    1823 Scott Peveril xxv. (motto), Amidst the faded race of fallen leaves.

†b.II.9.b One of the three ‘kingdoms’ of nature. Obs. rare.

   1697 Dryden Virg. Georg. iv. 224 Of all the Race of Animals, alone The Bees have common Cities of their own.    1707 Curiosities in Husb. & Gard. 184 All the Offsprings that are produc'd in the Race of Vegetables and in the Race of Animals.    Ibid. 227 They can‥extract from Water Minerals, Vegetables, and Animals, and give new Creatures to these three Races of Nature.

10. a.II.10.a A particular class of wine, or the characteristic flavour of this, supposed to be due to the soil. (Cf. raciness a, racy 1.) ? Obs.

   1520 Whitinton Vulg. (1527) 15 This is a cup of good romney, and drynketh well of the rase.    1625 Massinger New Way i. iii, A pipe Of rich Canary‥Is it of the right race?    c 1645 Howell Lett. (1650) I. 370 One cannot pass a day's journey but he will find a differing race of wine.    a 1682 Sir T. Browne Misc. Tracts (1684) 25 A pure and flosculous race or spirit.    1779–81 Johnson L.P., Thomson Wks. 1787 IV. 178 ‘Race’‥applied to wines, in its primitive sense, means the flavour of the soil.    1835 Tait's Edin. Mag. II. 350/1 Like certain wines and fruits‥in removal, much of the race, or peculiar flavour of the soil, is sure to be lost.

b.II.10.b fig. Of speech, writing, etc.: A peculiar and characteristic style or manner, esp. liveliness, sprightliness, piquancy. (Cf. raciness b, racy 3.)

   1680–90 Temple Ess., Learning Wks. 1731 I. 166, I think the Epistles of Phalaris to have more Race, more Spirit, more Force of Wit and Genius, than any others I have ever seen, either ancient or modern.    1711 P. H. View 2 last Parlts. 185 Mr. Dolben‥pursu'd the Charge with a peculiar Race of Spirit.    1779–81 Johnson L.P., Thomson Wks. 1787 IV. 178, I know not whether they [Thomson's Poems] have not lost part of what Temple calls their ‘race’.    1831 Macaulay Ess., Boswell (1860) I. 369 We know no production of the human mind which has so much of what may be called the race, so much of the peculiar flavour of the soil from which it sprang.    1875 McCosh Scot. Philos. xxxi. 247 His conversation had a race and flavour peculiarly its own.

11. a.II.11.a Now found in almost unlimited attrib. and Comb. uses: caused by, based on, of or pertaining to race, as race-aversion, race-blood, race-brood, race-character, race-characteristic, race-conflict, race culture, race-difference, race discrimination, race-distinction, race division, race equality, race-experience, race-feeling, race-hatred, race-heritage, race-history, race-improvement, race-inheritance, race instinct, race law, race line, race-maintenance, race-mixture, race-name, race-patriarch, race-poem, race-portrait, race prejudice, race pride, race problem, race quarrel, race-question, race relationship, race-skull, race solidarity, race superiority, race-survival, race tension, race-type, race war; race-begotten, race-conscious, race-hating, race-maintaining, race-perpetuating, race-proud, race-wide, adjs.

   1897 ‘Mark Twain’ Following Equat. xxi. 207 It must have been *race-aversion that put upon them a good deal of the low-rate intellectual reputation which they bear.

   1878 B. Taylor Deukalion ii. ii. 62 The *race-begotten child Is its own father's lord.

   1906 W. H. Fleming Slavery 37 The one is based on a supposed duty to God; the other on a supposed duty to one's *race⁓blood.

   1583 Stanyhurst Æneis iii. (Arb.) 93 Agragas‥steeds courrageous with *racebrood plentiful offred.

   1866 Pall Mall G. 3 Jan. 5/2 It was absurd to ignore all distinctions of *race-character in governing them [negroes].

   1875 Whitney Life Lang. ii. 8 The theory of a language as a *race-characteristic.

   1880 A. W. Tourgée Invis. Empire xii. 513 Any one who asked the support of colored men as against a Democratic nominee was precipitating a *race-conflict.    1949 Caribbean Q. I. ii. 28 Countless little stories‥about‥present life, in country and town‥in race-conflict, and class-conflict.

   1927 Observer 5 June 5/3 Frenchmen are not so *race-conscious as either Englishmen or Americans.    1977 P. Johnson Enemies of Society viii. 106 Nigger‥is now frequently employed by the more race-conscious blacks, but only among themselves.

   1909 C. W. Saleeby (title) Parenthood and *race culture. An outline of eugenics.

   1875 Whitney Life Lang. i. 4 Far greater *race-differences are met with among the speakers of one language.

   1917 Cases Argued U.S. Supreme Court: Lawyers' Ed. (1918) 155/2 Plaintiff is not in a position to raise the issue of *race discrimination, not being himself a negro.

   1883 Green Conq. Eng. 117 *Race distinctions perpetuated themselves in the group of little townships.

   1906 Westm. Gaz. 21 Feb. 2/3 That simple principle [of One Vote One Value]‥at once supplies a strong motive for those who once had everything to gain from the *race-division to talk about ‘bringing both races together’.    1974 Race XV. 462 The present race divisions are projected into the past as though they were always a feature of South African society.

   1911 G. Spiller Papers on Inter-Racial Problems i. 31 It becomes a vital matter to grapple with the problem of *race equality.

   1890 O. Wilde in 19th Cent. Sept. 443 The imagination is the result of heredity. It is simply concentrated *race-experience.

   1888 Kipling City Dreadf. Nt. (1891) 18 A casual reference to Hindus and Mahometans.‥ There is *race-feeling, to be explained away.    1944 J. S. Huxley On Living in Revolution 169 The actual physical kinship, which is frequently claimed as ‘race feeling’, must be fictitious.

   1941 Auden New Year Let. iii. 68 Self-respect drives negroes from The one-crop and *race-hating delta.

   1882 Times 15 Mar., The furious *race-hatred that has been raging over the South.    1901 Times 5 Aug. 7/2 The object of these documents has usually been‥to fan the race-hatred of the Dutch in South Africa.    1935 Economist 27 July 175/2 The new excesses are confined to the special domains of class hatred, race hatred and hatred of religion.    1976 Birmingham Post 16 Dec. 5/2 Intent to stir up race hatred.

   1911 W. James Some Probl. Philos. i. 4 Philosophy, thus become a *race-heritage, forms in its totality a monstrously unwieldy mass of learning.

   1894 Psychol. Rev. Nov. 651 The one criticism which I would venture to make upon this paper‥is that it neglects the phylogenetic point of view, the considerations from *race-history.    1907 W. James Pragmatism v. 169 The most primitive ways of thinking‥may remain as indelible tokens of events in our race-history.

   1903 Daily Chron. 29 July 4/5 We have a great deal yet to learn on matters bearing upon *race-improvement.

   1909 W. James Meaning of Truth viii. 214 Dr. Schiller has shown that all our truths, even the most elemental, are affected by *race-inheritance with a human co-efficient.

   1901 ― Let. 3 Mar. (1920) II. 141 Empire anyhow is half crime by necessity of Nature, and to see a country like the United States‥perversely rushing to wallow in the mire of it, shows how strong these ancient *race instincts be.

   1942 ‘G. Orwell’ War-time Diary 22 Mar. in Coll. Ess. (1968) II. 412 German propaganda is‥offering‥emancipation to the Kaffirs and stricter *race laws to the Boers.    1960 Twentieth Century Nov. 407 Race-laws make camps almost impossible within the Union.    1978 G. Greene Human Factor ii. i. 62 ‘I fell in love.’ ‘Yes. So I see. With an African girl.‥ You broke their race laws.’

   1883 G. W. Williams Hist. Negro Race II. xxviii. 543 *Race lines must be obliterated.    1891 Congress Rec. App. 17 Jan. 101/1 At Marion, Ind.,‥when the Democrats were attempting to have a rally,‥they were attacked by the colored people, the race line being distinctly drawn by that race.

   1879 H. Spencer Data of Ethics ii. §5. 15 *Race-maintaining conduct, like self-maintaining conduct, arises gradually out of that which cannot be called conduct.

   Ibid. 16 This conduct which furthers *race-maintenance.

   1905 O. Jespersen Growth & Structure Eng. Lang. iii. 47 There we had a real *race-mixture, where people speaking two different languages were living in actual contact in the same country.    1935 Huxley & Haddon We Europeans ix. 278 From what has been said, it will be clear that ‘race⁓mixture’ has in the past been beneficial.

   1924 *Race-name [see Atestine a. and n.].    1950 Partridge Here, There & Everywhere 17 The other self-confident Asiatic race⁓names are fully qualified.

   1859 R. B. Anderson tr. Rydberg's Teut. Mythol. 106 The songs learned by Saxo in regard to the northern *race-patriarch.

   1915 R. Lankester Diversions of Naturalist xxi. 194 Natural automatically-growing mechanisms of life-saving or *race-perpetuating importance.

   1888 Literary World (Boston) 29 Sept. 314/3 The Kalevala‥a *race-poem whose enduring charm is its artlessness and spontaneity.

   1875 Tylor in Encycl. Brit. II. 111/1 The coloured *race-portraits of ancient Egypt.

   1890 O. Wilde in 19th Cent. Sept. 457 Criticism will annihilate *race-prejudices, by insisting upon the unity of the human mind in the variety of its forms.    1913 J. London Let. 25 Aug. (1966) 395 First of all‥by stopping the stupid news⁓paper from fomenting race prejudice.    1920 H. Crane Let. 6 Mar. (1965) 35, I am as anti-Semitic as they make 'em, but Frank's comments cannot afford to be ignored merely because of race prejudice.    1942 E. Paul Narrow St. xii. 91 Guy delivered a concise impassioned talk against race prejudice.    1956 L. Kuper Passive Resistance in S. Afr. 18 Then Dr. Naicker commented on‥the United Party's pandering to race-prejudice to catch votes.

   1905 W. Baucke Where White Man Treads 276 On our side race prejudice, *race pride, preaching honesty, yet unblushingly swindling him and each other.    1973 A. Dundes Mother Wit 2/1 The relationship between folklore and race pride‥corresponds to the relationship between folklore and nationalism in the nineteenth century.

   1890 A. W. Tourgée Pactolus Prime xi. 141 If every one could do as much, the *race-problem would soon be solved.    1923 O. Schreiner Thoughts on S. Afr. vii. 296 To‥attempt to comprehend or deal rationally with race-problems.    1980 Bananas Aug. 7/1 Talking about Korea, Chicago, war, the race problem.

   1937 E. Muir Coll. Poems (1960) 72 Now I am shackled to a Grecian dolt, Pragmatic, *race-proud as a pampered colt.

   1931 F. L. Allen Only Yesterday iii. 68 If a white man stood up for a Negro in a *race quarrel, he might be kidnapped and beaten up.

   1889 Boston Jrnl. 26 Dec. 2/4 Time only can solve the *race-question in the South.    1920 L. Stoddard Rising Tide of Color xi. 293 She [sc. Japan] should not allow her immigration to be treated as a race-question.

   1908 R. S. Baker Following Colour Line x. 217, I have found a sharper feeling and a bitterer discussion of *race relationships among the Negroes of the North than among those of the South.

   1864 J. Hunt tr. Vogt's Lect. Man vii. 194 More of the Simian type than any other known *race-skull.

   1942 Z. N. Hurston in A. Dundes Mother Wit (1973) 25/1 ‘*Race Solidarity’ looked like something solid in my childhood, but like all other mirages, it faded as I came close enough to look. As soon as I could think, I saw that there is no such thing as Race Solidarity in America with any group.

   1901 E. A. Ross in Ann. Amer. Acad. Pol. Sci. XVIII. 67 (title) The causes of *race superiority.    1951 J. Masters Nightrunners of Bengal v. 58 She was goading herself to wipe out a sense of race superiority she presumed him to have.‥ She wanted‥him to acknowledge beauty in an Indian woman.

   1933 A. N. Whitehead Adventures of Ideas vi. 97 We can observe insects performing elaborate routine actions‥which yet are essential either for their own individual survival or for *race-survival.

   1954 P. Mason Ess. Racial Tension iii. 45 One would expect *race tensions to be most acute‥in the country where there is a temperate climate.    1974 Allendale (S. Carolina) County Citizen 24 Apr. 6/3 We found ourselves discussion-slanted toward race tension and struggles.

   1864 W. D. Whitney in Ann. Rep. Board of Regents Smithsonian Inst. 1863 113 The kind and amount of modification which external circumstances can introduce into a *race-type is as yet undetermined.    1892 Kipling Lett. of Travel (1920) 30 Seven million negroes‥their race-type unevolved.    1927 Peake & Fleure Priests & Kings 181 ‘Race-type’ in a general sense is a very difficult matter to define.

   1897 Chicago Tribune 28 July 3/7 This gave the negroes an excellent chance to start a ‘*race’ war.    1977 P. Johnson Enemies of Society xix. 247 He realized he was taking part in a race-war, as well as a class-war.

   1893 J. H. Barrows World's Parlt. Relig. I. 72 An event of *race-wide and perpetual significance.

b.II.11.b Of, pertaining to, or designating a style of music, originating among Blacks of the Southern U.S. (cf. race n.2 6 b), freq. in a twelve-bar sequence (see also quot. 1938).

   1926 H. Niles in W. C. Handy Blues 31 Listen to the ‘race records’, for this craft is sui generis.    1927 Jrnl. Abnormal & Social Psychol. Apr.–June 12 ‘Race blues’‥are not always what they seem.    1935 Vanity Fair (N.Y.) Nov. 71/3 Negro bands play ‘race music’ (a curious euphemism spread by phonograph companies).    1938 Collier's 30 Apr. 24/4 We were afraid to advertise Negro records. So I listed them in the catalogue as ‘race’ records and they are still known as that.    1942 Partridge Usage & Abusage 208/2 ‘Race (phonograph) recordings’ for recordings made by Negroes.    1946 R. Blesh Shining Trumpets (1949) vi. 145 It was considered authentic enough for the uncritical Victor Company to issue in its race catalogue.    1946 Mezzrow & Wolfe Really Blues (1957) ix. 161 Preaching blues was strictly race music.    1952 B. Ulanov Hist. Jazz in Amer. (1958) iv. 32 Their masterpieces appeared on the so-called ‘race’ labels of the record companies.    1968 P. Oliver Screening Blues 5 In the ensuing months more stores carried Race records, specially pressed for the Negro market.‥ Race records from jazz to vaudeville to rural blues reached the remotest districts.    1976 A. Murray Stomping Blues iv. 50 The period of the race catalogs was also the decade of the so-called revolution in race consciousness known as the Harlem Renaissance.    1977 Times 17 Aug. 14/4 Negro styles traditionally stigmatized as ‘race’ music.

c.II.11.c Special combs., as race consciousness, emotionally based awareness of those differences between people or social groups that can be ascribed to racial factors; the supposed intuitive awareness of a common heritage shared by members of a race or culture; race-gap, a difference between racial groups; race man U.S. colloq., a Black, esp. one who advocates the rights of Blacks; race memory, (a) subconscious memory of events in the history of one's race or of the human race which, it is suggested, is transmitted genetically; race relations, a term for such social contacts between racial groups living within a particular area as arise from or are affected by differences in cultural origin or skin colour; freq. attrib. or as adj.; race riot, a riot that results from racial hostility; hence race rioting; race suicide, the self-extinction of a racial group through failure to reproduce itself sufficiently, esp. of one with high cultural standards and a low birth-rate in competition with a racial group having lower standards and a high birth-rate; the self-destruction of a race; also attrib.; race theory, a hypothetical assertion that some racial groups are endowed with specific ‘superior’ qualities; hence race theorist, an advocate of a race theory; race-thinking (see quot. 1937); also race-thinker.

   1905 *Race consciousness [see amalgamation 2].    1926 G. Callaway Native Probl. in S. Afr. 2 It is conceivable that the Native people of South Africa might have lived along⁓side of the Europeans without developing a strong race consciousness.    1968 Internat. Encycl. Social Sci. XIII. 269 Relationships which are capable of producing race conflict and race consciousness.

   1890 W. James Will to Believe (1897) 260 We here‥catch the only glimpse it is allotted to us to attain of the working units themselves, of whose differentiating action the *race-gaps form but the stagnant sum.

   1936 R. L. Abbot in Chicago Defender 13 June 16/5 One *Race man, finding out this outrage, fired on the officers.    1942 Z. N. Hurston in A. Dundes Mother Wit (1973) 25/1 A ‘Race Man’ was somebody who always kept the glory and honor of his race before him.‥ It was a mark of shame if somebody accused: ‘Why, you are not a Race Man (or woman).’ People made whole careers of being ‘Race’ men and women. They were champions of the race.    1969 Publ. Amer. Dial. Soc. li. 29 Names used‥by both Negroes and Whites [for Negroes who demand equal status with whites]‥civil rights man, mau mau, race man.    1974 Yi-Fu Tuan Topophilia xiii. 209 The upper shadies can identify emotionally with the ghetto poor; they are recognized by the poor as Race Men, that is, supporters of black causes.

   1904 Folk-Lore XV. 349, I have heard this belief referred to a ‘*race-memory’ of antediluvian reptiles.    1912 A. Conan Doyle Lost World i. 10 That race-memory which we call instinct.    1934 R. Knox Still Dead xi. 138 A cave has, for all of us, an atmosphere of‥terrifying mystery. The anthropologists would tell us‥that it is due to race-memory.    1950 [see oldest a. 3].    1972 C. Fremlin Appointment with Yesterday xiv. 110 A race-memory of the days when servants weren't quite real, and so it didn't matter what they heard.

   1911 Pol. Sci. Q. XXVI. 193 (title) *Race relations in the Eastern Piedmont region of Georgia.    1925 Scribner's Mag. July 12/2 On two occasions great intercollegiate conventions of students have dealt with race-relations,‥and war itself.    1934 Race Relations I. 32/1 We have to deal in this country not only with relations between English and Dutch but also between Jews and Gentiles, and between Whites and Coloured, Whites and Indians, as well as between Whites and Bantu.‥ Hence, we decided to invite certain men‥to give us their views on how race relations problems strike them.    1965 Act 13 & 14 Eliz. II c. 73 (heading) Race Relations Act 1965.‥ An Act to prohibit discrimination on racial grounds in places of public resort; to prevent the enforcement or imposition on racial grounds of restrictions on the transfer of tenancies; to penalize incitement to racial hatred.    Ibid. §2 For the purposes of securing compliance with the provisions of‥this Act‥there shall be constituted a board to be known as the Race Relations Board, consisting of a chairman and two other members appointed by the Secretary of State.    1970 Oxf. Univ. Gaz. 30 Apr. Suppl. 14 During the course of the year two visiting Fellows in Race Relations were appointed in collaboration with St. Antony's College.    1977 Whitaker's Almanack 1978 348/2 A Lords amendment to the Race Relations Bill‥was reversed in the Commons on Oct. 27.

   1890 Our Day May 406 *Race Riots in the South.    1921 Palestine Weekly 2 Dec. 779/2 With regard to the actual question as to which side initiated the race riot, the Commission speaks with definiteness and precision.    1928 F. Hurst President is Born xxiv. 250 Race-riots out in Chicago.    1958 Daily Mail 3 Sept. 6/6 After three nights of race-riots in their streets the people who live in Notting Hill have been asked to put themselves under a voluntary curfew.    1979 Dædalus Spring 103 Race riots broke out in Marseilles in 1973 that left six Algerians dead.

   1968 Economist 20 July 43/1 The second problem is the emergence of *race rioting as a regular, not to say an annual, occurrence.

   1901 E. A. Ross in Ann. Amer. Acad. Pol. & Social Sci. July 88 The American farm hand, mechanic and operative might wither away before the heavy influx of a prolific race from the Orient.‥ For a case like this I can find no words so apt as ‘*race suicide’.    1904 Daily Chron. 9 June 3/2 I'm with the President on this race-suicide question.    1936 M. Plowman Faith called Pacifism 14 If war has become race suicide by a perfectly natural process of evolution, why should we continue to call it ‘war’?    1945 C. F. McCleary (title) Race suicide.

   1921 Times Lit. Suppl. 25 Aug. 543/1 In defiance of the German *race-theorists, and similar superficial or prejudiced observers, Dr. Curtius insists that French culture‥cannot be dismissed with the formulae ‘esprit’ and ‘décadence’.    1949 Koestler Promise & Fulfilment 334 With the exception of the ‘race-theorists’ nearly all modern authorities hold that Jewish characteristics are a product of sustained environmental pressure.

   1895 W. D. Babington (title) Fallacies of *race theories.    1945 Koestler Yogi & Commissar ii. ii. 192 Within a century or two‥race-theory and Jew-baiting would have shrunk to episodes of the past.

   1937 J. Barzun Race: Study in Mod. Superstition x. 263 Then came the ‘biological revolution’ and *race-thinkers pinned their hopes on anatomy.

   Ibid. i. 17 We must‥see what men who have thought and written about race think it is. Their ideas form, not a definition of race, for they all disagree among themselves, but a type of thinking, which I shall call *race-thinking.    1965 Listener 11 Nov. 740/2 This kind of thinking involves what are, in fact, vague figures. It has been described as ‘race thinking’. People who think this way‥are becoming racists.

and Merriam-Webster Unabridged:

Main Entry:7race

Pronunciation:*

Function:noun

Inflected Form:-s

Etymology:Middle French, generation, family, from Italian razza

1 a obsolete : GENERATION b obsolete : the act of breeding or producing offspring *male he created thee, but thy consort female for race— John Milton* c : a breeding stock of animals *race of mares*

2 a : the descendants of a common ancestor : a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock *the impoverished scion of a noble race* b : a class or kind of individuals with common characteristics, interests, appearance, or habits as if derived from a common ancestor *the race of doctors* *the whole race of mankind— Shakespeare* *the Anglo-Saxon race* *the Jewish race*

3 : any of various infraspecific taxonomic groups: as a : MICROSPECIES b : SUBSPECIES c : a permanent or fixed variety d : BREED e : PHYSIOLOGIC RACE f : a division of mankind possessing traits that are transmissible by descent and sufficient to characterize it as a distinct human type *Caucasian race* *Mongoloid race*

4 obsolete : inherited temperament or disposition *now I give my sensual race the rein— Shakespeare*

5 a : distinctive flavor, taste, or strength (as of wine) : the quality indicating origin or kind b archaic : RACINESS

synonyms RACE, NATION, and PEOPLE, even though in technical use they are commonly differentiated, are often used popularly and interchangeably to designate one of a number of great divisions of mankind, each made up of an aggregate of persons who are thought of, or think of themselves, as comprising a distinct unit. In technical discriminations, all more or less controversial and often lending themselves to great popular misunderstanding or misuse, RACE is anthropological and ethnological in force, usually implying a distinct physical type with certain unchanging characteristics, as a particular color of skin or shape of skull *the Caucasian race* *the Malay race* *the Ethiopian race* although sometimes, and most controversially, other presumed common factors are chosen, as place of origin *the Nordic race* or common root language *the Aryan race*. In popular use RACE can apply to any more or less clearly defined group thought of as a unit usually because of a common or presumed common past *the Anglo-Saxon race* *the Celtic race* *the Hebrew race* NATION, primarily political in force, usually designates the citizenry as a whole of a sovereign state and implies a certain homogeneity because of common laws, institutions, customs, or loyalty *the British nation* *the French nation* *the house must have been built before this country was a nation— Allen Tate* *what is a nation? A group of human beings recognizing a common history and a common culture, yearning for a common destiny, assuming common habits, and generally attached to a specific piece of the earth's surface— David Bernstein* Sometimes it is opposed to state *a state is accidental; it can be made or unmade; but a nation is something real which can be neither made nor destroyed— J.R.Green* and often not clearly distinguishable from RACE in comprising any large group crossing national boundaries and with something significantly in common *the children of the world are one nation; the very old, another— Jan Struther* *for the two nations that alone inhabit the earth, the rich and the poor— Edith Sitwell* *the Gypsy nation* PEOPLE, sometimes interchangeable with NATION though stressing a cultural or social rather than a national unity, can apply to a body of persons, as a whole or as individuals, who show a consciousness of solidarity or common characteristics not wholly comprised by RACE or NATION, suggesting a common culture or common interests or ideals and a sense of kinship *the Mexican people— Virginia Prewett* *the British and American peoples— Sir Winston Churchill* *we, the people of the United States— U.S. Constitution* *we, the peoples of the United Nations— U.N. Charter* *a new government, which, for certain purposes, would make the people of the several states one people— R.B.Taney* synonym see in addition VARIETY

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286710&forum_id=2#23432429)

Dictionaries (such as Oxford) are specifically vetted by professional linguists to provide definitions in the context of linguistic science.

Ethnicities such as 'Turkish' are different from races.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286710&forum_id=2#23432579)

Actual White Hispanics are whiter than italians and greeks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286710&forum_id=2#23431953)

"White" is a yes/no issue, not one with degrees.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286710&forum_id=2#23431974)

New world colonial definitions don't have any meaning since anyone can be white. It's like in brazil or latin america, where a light pardo identifies as 'white', while a dark one, his brother can identify as 'black'.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286710&forum_id=2#23432006)

Not just anyone can be white. There are still requirements, which I've listed many times. You're right that it's even possible for two brothers to be different races. That doesn't invalidate the definition, it just proves the concept is not genetically based.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286710&forum_id=2#23432023)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286710&forum_id=2#23432035)

Like I said, it doesn't matter whether people call turks 'mongols', when in fact they have less central asian genetics than northern arabs (syrians) or even armenians.

Science doesn't lie.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286710&forum_id=2#23432093)

Ethnicity is a social/linguistic classification and has nothing to do with 'race' or the aforementioned.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286710&forum_id=2#23432265)

In a racially mixed colonial setting 'turk' can become an ethnic classification, and so can 'white', that's what you see in the new world.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286710&forum_id=2#23432311)

Same with Turkic.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286710&forum_id=2#23432359)

That's just superficial aspie simplification and retardation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286710&forum_id=2#23432022)

Definitions are based on how terms are actually used. Your version might be more logical, but it's inaccurate and you can't reason your way around that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286710&forum_id=2#23432038)

A white pardo whose brother is a black pardo, doesn't belong to a different 'race'. Otherwise, you would be no different from a creationist who rejects science.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286710&forum_id=2#23432113)

Turks can call themselves racially 100% turks, that doesn't change their dna.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286710&forum_id=2#23432156)

I know another Jew who's really into social justice stuff and sides with blacks and hispanics on every issue.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286710&forum_id=2#23431909)

Brother, Jews vote 80% Democrat and have supported blacks and Hispanics on civil rights issues for 100 years in the US. Do you not know American history.

Jews view themselves as "white" in the US context but also generally view themselves as a minority. "Whites" in Europe have persecuted Jews for millennia so it they make sure to be wary of them as well.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286710&forum_id=2#23431954)

The real answer is that Ashkenazi Jews were universally not considered white when they first came to America and didn't consider themselves such. They became white and started self identifying as such sometime between the WW2 and 1970. Now they can be considered a white subgroup like Italians, but with a particularly unique religious / ethnic history

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286710&forum_id=2#23432018)

japan is white

jd vances kids are white

NYUUG is anglosaxon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2286710&forum_id=2#48522485)