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Date: May 27th, 2010 6:54 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead About 60k in debt at CLS.
Another 80k (apparently...recently informed by parents it is mine when I graduate LS) in debt for a T15 undergrad degree (poly sci-type of degree).
Current grades at CLS: B, B, B+, B+
Three grades still out, but probably similar. I feel like the goal of working in BIGLAW is ending...should I just hedge my bets now and drop out before taking on even more debt?
It's pretty sad. I owned undergrad and thought I would do well in LS, too. I guess I thought wrong. I don't know what to do at this point. |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 6:55 PM Author: Chocolate razzle-dazzle faggotry "Another 80k (apparently...recently informed by parents it is mine when I graduate LS) in debt for a T15 undergrad degree (poly sci-type of degree)." Uh, you sign the dotted line = it's yours. |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 6:56 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead It is theirs. They signed it. I did no signing on that one, but I would feel pretty guilty making them continue to pay for it as they go into retirement. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15098979) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 6:58 PM Author: Chocolate razzle-dazzle faggotry You are a sack of shit for making your parents pay that much for UNDERGRAD when they didn't have the money. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15098991) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 6:59 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead They encouraged me to go to that school. Typical middle class suburban parents that wanted me to go to the best school into which I got. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15098998) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:00 PM Author: Chocolate razzle-dazzle faggotry awww (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099009) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:02 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead Indeed. I mean, the overall plan was pretty vaguely put to me when I entered: father told me I would have to pay for the rest of the debt at some future point, I was not told what was that debt throughout college, and was recently informed how much it would be (80k) and when I would take it myself (post-LS). Obviously, it is in their name, so I have no legal obligation to undertake it, but I would do so, being the good child that I am. I don't want them paying that until they die. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099028) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:03 PM Author: Chocolate razzle-dazzle faggotry You both sound like idiots. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099037) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:05 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead That's not very nice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099052) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:04 PM Author: glittery persian you write like you might be schizoprhenic. have you been tested? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099039) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:05 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead I have bipolar, actually. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099051) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:06 PM Author: Chocolate razzle-dazzle faggotry Why don't you just live with them and scrape by on BIGDISABILITY? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099057) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:06 PM Author: glittery persian ingenious (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099060) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:07 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead It was a joke. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099069) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:01 PM Author: comical scarlet station marketing idea "into which I got" 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099015) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:11 PM Author: electric indirect expression dysfunction titcr wtf (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099101) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:12 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead into which I got accepted. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099111) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:14 PM Author: Outnumbered Business Firm Kitty Cat 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099130) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:18 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead It works fine grammatically. Ask any HS English teacher. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099156) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:34 PM Author: Outnumbered Business Firm Kitty Cat it's a weird combination of stilted english and colloquial use of "get." you should just say "into which i was accepted." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099285) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 8:37 PM Author: Slate filthpig messiness threads are being outsourced to mumbai bro. they didnt just stop with doc review and m&a (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099898) |
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Date: May 28th, 2010 1:28 AM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead Normal white guy, here. So sorry you could not understand my English. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15103302) |
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Date: May 28th, 2010 12:32 PM Author: Splenetic sex offender range lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15105308) |
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Date: May 28th, 2010 1:32 AM Author: White Stimulating Point Prole cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15103333) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:01 PM Author: Garnet Charismatic Native To be fair, typical for middle class jews and asians. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099021) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:02 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead I am neither. Parents are neither. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099031) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 9:59 PM Author: Exciting medicated chapel fag (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15100989) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 6:56 PM Author: hateful mood public bath you still have a decent shot of biglaw. do OCI and see what happens. If you fail, we'll open up our own firm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15098978) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 6:56 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead Don't mock me with decent shot, bro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15098982) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 6:58 PM Author: hateful mood public bath Serious dude. I'm at NYU. got 3 callbacks LAST YEAR with a shittier GPA. This year should be better and you should start mailing firms that don't come to OCI in August. You have a decent shot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15098996) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 6:59 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead What ended up happening to you? I thought you didn't get one (I remember the moniker). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099007) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:01 PM Author: hateful mood public bath didn't get one. But I also didn't mail in August like I should have because OCS told me I would be fine. I mailed too late and the firms had already finished hiring. Your GPA is better than mine, I think CLS does a tad bit better than NYU, and I had a terrible resume. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099019) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:03 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead Not too encouraging, no offense. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099036) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:05 PM Author: hateful mood public bath no offense taken. I just think you've got a decent shot, that's all. maybe I'm wrong. I wish you luck though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099054) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:07 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead ty. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099074) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:09 PM Author: maroon step-uncle's house sound barrier what are you going to do now, man? aren't you nervous? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099087) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:14 PM Author: hateful mood public bath Working for the government. Won't lead to a real job. I'm so fucking scared. I will have 200k debt at graduation and my life is fucking ruined. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099127) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:18 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead Why are you giving me these encouraging words of wisdom, then?!?! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099153) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:22 PM Author: hateful mood public bath because I think you have a decent shot. your grades are better than mine and this year should be better than last. Don't get me wrong, I wish I was dead on a daily basis but I think your chances are sufficiently high that going through OCI is a good idea. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099184) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:23 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead You should consider doing something interesting that will let you have the loans forgiven, even if non-law related. Foreign service (I am aware this is hard to get, given the test) would be ideal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099196) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:24 PM Author: hateful mood public bath doing foreign services makes my student debt go away? where do I sign up? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099201) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:24 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead That ten year gov IBR forgiveness program, bro.
As long as you have fed loans...that was my assumption. |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:27 PM Author: hateful mood public bath I do. but how will I make loan payments in the interim? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099226) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:31 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead I was under the impression that the entirety of the loan was forgiven. So, if you start in the program two or three years from now, after ten years the interest accrued in the two or three years of minimal payments would also be forgiven. Correct? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099254) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:39 PM Author: hateful mood public bath Yeah. I just don't know how i will make 10 years of payments on 200k with a federal government salary (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099338) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:48 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead I thought the program had the gov make the payments. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099426) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:50 PM Author: hateful mood public bath well shit I don't know. I thought what you had left after 120 payments was forgiven. I hope I'm wrong. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099440) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 8:19 PM Author: navy heady wagecucks juggernaut what about those new gov't rules where loan payments don't exceed 10% of your income? does that come into play? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099711) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 8:25 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead I think that is post-2014. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099756) |
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Date: May 28th, 2010 11:58 AM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead I also think that is the 25 year IBR or something. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15105083) |
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Date: June 1st, 2010 2:17 PM Author: Light feces sweet tailpipe I have asked these types of questions, not only about law school but other shitty things that were not working out for me ..
After all these years, I feel that, whenever you're asking this type of question "should I drop out?" "should I quit this job?", etc., usually you already know you should, you just feel bad about the time and money you already spent ...
Fucking drop out. I had met kids who dropped out of LS after first year, I kinda thought they were losers and quitters, but in hindsight, they had the maturity to decide what was in their best interest, never mind what other kids, their parents were telling them ... |
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Date: June 1st, 2010 2:18 PM Author: Light feces sweet tailpipe I have asked these types of questions, not only about law school but other shitty things that were not working out for me ..
After all these years, I feel that, whenever you're asking this type of question "should I drop out?" "should I quit this job?", etc., usually you already know you should, you just feel bad about the time and money you already spent ...
Fucking drop out. I had met kids who dropped out of LS after first year, I kinda thought they were losers and quitters, but in hindsight, they had the maturity to decide what was in their best interest, never mind what other kids, their parents were telling them ... |
Date: May 27th, 2010 6:56 PM Author: swashbuckling hissy fit youre not at UVA or fucking Cardozo. Columbia is still legit. Dont drop out unless you have a solid plan B (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15098981) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 6:58 PM Author: Chocolate razzle-dazzle faggotry *rimshot* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15098993) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 6:58 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead I don't want to wallow in debt here with bad odds at BIGLAW. No solid backup. Would probably do something like PeaceCorps, but that would obviously never earn $. Foreign service would be cool (and, I am well aware of how difficult that is, thank you). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15098995) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:01 PM Author: swashbuckling hissy fit well, if you were not already 100K in the hole, i would tell you to drop out. In fact, I would urge you to drop out. Law is fucking miserable and dead end. But, as the situation stands, you already owe 100K. You will be up to 230ish when you graduate. I say you see it through. Columbia gives you a shot. If not, you can always move to africa, not pay your loans back, and live a solid life there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099024) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:05 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead As much as I know that is a joke, I am one of the few people who would actually have no qualms moving abroad and simply not paying. I've lived abroad so often in the past that it would not be a big deal for me.
The only issue is that I would not want to stick my parents with the undergrad debt when they are retired. That is their time to relax. I'd feel too guilty. |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 8:10 PM Author: swashbuckling hissy fit I hear you. It's a tough situation. You seem like a cool dude who just wants to do the right thing. If you dont hate law school, or you wont hate being a lawyer, then stick it out. Hussle your ass off, and get something that helps you pay of the 80 grand. Then, either try the IBR thing or leave the country. While Africa was said in jest, leaving the country and not paying back the rest of your loans is the way to go. Especially if you enjoy living abroad. Stay off the grid. Be well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099640) |
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Date: May 28th, 2010 3:11 AM Author: Talented slap-happy church tcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15103840) |
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Date: May 28th, 2010 11:59 AM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead ty. Living abroad is great. More people should try it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15105087) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 6:59 PM Author: maroon step-uncle's house sound barrier i thought a B+ was a good grade. it's almost an A, right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099005) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:00 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead Ha. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099011) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:04 PM Author: rebellious kitty You should drop out if you don't want to be a lawyer or will be a bad one. You have not told us whether either is the case. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099042) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:07 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead I wouldn't mind being one in specific practice areas. We'll see after this summer, also, based on the work I do. Obviously, beggars can't be choosers, though. I don't know if I'll be a bad one yet. I guess I will also figure out that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099066) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:12 PM Author: apoplectic athletic conference Subject: 3 grades out you still have three grades out. Wait until you get those before you consider something rash. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099113) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:13 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead Yeah, of course. I was just saying if I had similar grades. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099122) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:10 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead Well, ty for the kernels of good advice, here and there. It's appreciated when some people do show a solid effort. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099097) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:14 PM Author: Galvanic fighting shrine The answer is obviously to drop out, but sadly you won't. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099129) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:19 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead I am very close to doing this. I probably will, in the end. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099164) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:28 PM Author: Chocolate razzle-dazzle faggotry You don't have the guts. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099229) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:32 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead Yeah? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099265) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:14 PM Author: maroon step-uncle's house sound barrier can't you go work for the government and have the loans forgiven after ten years?
i don't really get this. there are 10 million people going to LS. how can a guy making B/B+ at one of the best 6 or so schools in the world see his situation as hopeless? what the hell do the people in the other far shittier schools do? |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:17 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead If I can get a gov job, yeah. This is a way to have the LS loans forgiven. It wouldn't do anything for the 80k in undergrad, though.
I just don't know if I would enjoy law enough to want to work at 40k/yr for the gov for ten years while using all my disposable income to pay off the undergrad loans and maintaining this sort of job in order to have the loan forgiven (and passing up any jobs that come along that might be more lucrative because of the rules of LRAP or gov. forgiveness). I mean, if I am going to make 40k a year for that purpose, I would much rather go to Asia or something and make 30k/yr doing an easy job like teaching English. |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:21 PM Author: maroon step-uncle's house sound barrier yeah. but the CLS degree might come in handy at some point in the future.
i think people are being short-sighted. getting a bigtime credential like that is a once in a lifetime thing. ITE is warping people's perceptions. life is long, and you don't know what will happen in the future -- who knows, Obama could forgive all loans.
i see a lot of people "outsmarting" themselves these days.
if the economy truly tanks, well, we are all fucked, and it will make little difference anyway what debt you have. if it doesn't tank, we'll all be kicking ourselves for the "prudent" choices we've made.
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:24 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead 0L? Recently migrated from TLS? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099203) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:25 PM Author: Chocolate razzle-dazzle faggotry Might be applicable if law schools were drastically curtailing enrollment, but the opposite is happening. There will be more than enough shitheads in the future. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099218) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:21 PM Author: Emerald aphrodisiac theater stage bbw stop freaking out. you're not fucked like last year's grads. the economy's doing much better now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099176) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:22 PM Author: Chocolate razzle-dazzle faggotry (rudolph) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099181) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:22 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead Firm hiring overwhelmingly predicted to stay the same. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099186) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:30 PM Author: supple frisky internal respiration stage I dont follow. You've solicited advice. People are giving an opinion and you rebut.
If you are going to drop out, drop out. Just don't pretend to want advice when all you want to do is rationalize aloud what you already are committed to doing. |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:32 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead Just talking. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099259) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:34 PM Author: supple frisky internal respiration stage PERSONALLY, I think it's worth it to see through an education at CLS, almost regardless of how you do. Chicken littles on XOXO will tell me I'm nuts but I do take a longterm perspective on this and I do believe that you'll be able to get a secondary market biglaw post if you fucking hustle a bit.
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:35 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead So willing to hustle. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099295) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:38 PM Author: supple frisky internal respiration stage If this is true, and you're committed to hustling the fuck out of the system (something I dont gather you are from your prior posts), the time is now. Start networking like crazyi in your secondary markets.
THIS YEAR, I saw people with mediocre grades from far shittier law schools get secondary posts in my market. Granted, anecdotes don't go far when you see median kids at CLS or NYU strike out but the point is that you can make your own luck outside of OCI.
Stop listening to XOXO and their chicken little bullshit. Your polisci degree wont get you shit. Your JD will. Give it time. |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:49 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead Thanks, bro. I'm working in a city this summer that is outside the secondary markets of my home state, though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099435) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:51 PM Author: supple frisky internal respiration stage That precludes you from sending emails, drawing from your network, making calls, etc.?
you sound lazier than shit. |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:54 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead No, of course not. I do the e-mail stuff pretty often, to be fair. I have some connections I have used to get general advice in the state's main city, and that has been helpful; I have kept in touch with those people pretty consistently throughout 1L. I went to all the firm events hosted around my school, and I am participating in a few different programs this summer that are meant to create greater 'ties' between certain firms and CLS students. I do all of that. I should probably browse websites and cold e-mail people, too, I guess. I haven't tried that unless I have 1. met the person or 2. been referred to the person by someone I know. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099489) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 8:00 PM Author: supple frisky internal respiration stage Fuck formalities. you're past that. you bypassed that when you finished below median. fuck, even if you were above median, Id give you the same advice.
suck it up, leave your pride at home, and start using your network. |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 8:24 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead Advice on cold e-mailing then? How do I approach that situation? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099751) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 10:00 PM Author: supple frisky internal respiration stage please tell me you aren't this fucking clueless.
1. find cls alumni at firm.
2. email said alumni.
3. offer to meet in person/grab coffee to explore career options.
4. when the moment strikes, go over resume (or fuck her/him wild).
5. ??????
6. PROFIT |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:56 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead To be fair, I hustled pretty hard to get my BIGGOV internship this summer, too. It worked well. I am pretty personable when not wallowing on XOXO. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099504) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 8:03 PM Author: supple frisky internal respiration stage Here's a helpful hint:
Get off XOXO. Get off your ass. Start doing the rounds.
97% of practicing atty would laugh at this thread. Go make your own luck. |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:27 PM Author: histrionic main people fat ankles you're fine dude. the real question is why you took out 80K to go to undergrad. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099227) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:29 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead See above explanation. Rents told me to go to the top school that accepted me. Told not to worry about the debt. Would be minimal. Did so. Completely owned at the school. Told the debt would be around 80k when I finally took it.
So, in other words, my parents actually took out a lot more than 80k to pay for it and are paying it down TO 80k, when I will take it. |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:30 PM Author: Chocolate razzle-dazzle faggotry sticker at a private, classic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099249) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:34 PM Author: maroon step-uncle's house sound barrier which school do you think it was? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099280) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:35 PM Author: Chocolate razzle-dazzle faggotry He's from a middle class shittown like Erie, PA so I think he would be impressed with trash like NYU. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099292) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:36 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead Top 15 nationally ranked university. Not NYU. Not from some town like Eerie, either. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099303) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:41 PM Author: maroon step-uncle's house sound barrier John's Hopkins? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099357) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:47 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead Not Johnny Hop. Similar caliber. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099416) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 11:38 PM Author: Bipolar Dilemma Wrinkle WUSTL. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15102187) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:35 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead In a nutshell. The idea that a state school would not be good enough was also indoctrinated during my private school days while a high school student, too.
To be fair, my state's system is pretty crappy, though. I did get SOME money at my priv, but a very minimal amount. Plus, the rents had to pay for my sister's private university, too. |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:35 PM Author: Chocolate razzle-dazzle faggotry Wouldn't be good enough for who? Because YOU are the one with the bill. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099297) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:37 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead I just didn't look into the state school system. Nobody really said I should. Not trying to blame others, but I was a pretty naive 17 year old. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099317) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:30 PM Author: Sable school LRAP makes it so attending law school can be practically free. Don't bitch and carry on. You have no other prospects as a TTT polisci major in a shitty economy.
If you don't get biglaw, do JAG or public interest for 5-10 years. Stay fit, have meaningful relationships, and enjoy life. You may even be better off for it. |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:31 PM Author: supple frisky internal respiration stage tcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099258) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 8:12 PM Author: tripping magenta sanctuary roast beef Exactly. LRAP means you will be perfectly fine debtwise. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099656) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:38 PM Author: passionate yapping forum karate you'll get a job eventually - if you can't find anything with a CLS degree, then you have a piece of shit personality and wouldn't have succeeded anywhere. you'll either go govt/public and get the loans off your back before too long, or if you stay in private practice, you'll eventually end up making good money even if you don't start out all models and bottles.
median at a T6 with debt should not be fucking panic mode, even ITE. don't be such a risk averse faggot and go take care of business. |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:43 PM Author: hateful mood public bath Does this apply to me too? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099384) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:49 PM Author: passionate yapping forum karate hang in there man. i've barely every met a poor middle-aged lawyer, and many of them were extreme TTTs who took on plenty of loans and debt back in there day.
one inspiration dude went to a real toilet, did poorly, had a wife, kids, house, and school debt all at once, and still managed to carve out a career. staying on the field long enough will pay off. |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:50 PM Author: hateful mood public bath :-) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099446) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:51 PM Author: Chocolate razzle-dazzle faggotry Tuition was like $3k back then, bro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099453) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 8:01 PM Author: passionate yapping forum karate your rigorous cost/benefit to the world is doing a lot in terms of getting you out of the basement and living a normal life. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099556) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:51 PM Author: maroon step-uncle's house sound barrier baby boomers are made from different stuff than we are. they hail from a rougher and readier age. little chance OP has what it takes to pull off what that guy did, little chance at all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099461) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:56 PM Author: Chocolate razzle-dazzle faggotry post WWII boom times were not of their own making (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099505) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 7:56 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead thanks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099510) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 8:09 PM Author: passionate yapping forum karate maybe so, but dude's odds aren't that long and scary compared to many. people balance mortgages, loans, CC debt, kids, and all kinds of other shit. being a single guy with a columbia JD and just school debt isn't the end of the fucking world. only the aspie XO mentality equates this with failing at life.
a T6 law degree is still valuable and will take you somewhere good if you actually want to practice law - that's not just hallmark shit, it's true. like i said, very few people stick with it end up fucked over.
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Date: May 27th, 2010 8:33 PM Author: tripping magenta sanctuary roast beef cp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099839) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 10:28 PM Author: Maize diverse area foreskin This is literally the dumbest thing I've heard anyone say in years. Baby boomers in the U.S. did less with more than any group of people in the history of human civilization. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15101368) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 11:06 PM Author: sexy whorehouse rofl hold up. are you serious? boomers are the laziest sacks of shit in history. they had everything handed to them on a silver platter you dumb faggot. retire and never come back. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15101907) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 8:28 PM Author: Stirring Laser Beams The legal market was not nearly as saturated/competitive then. Most of those extreme TTTs probably aren't retired and new lawyers are being created far faster than new legal work. When people whose school/grades puts them in the top 5% of all law students can't get jobs coming out of school, you know the field is fucked. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099791) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 8:35 PM Author: Arousing Orchid Genital Piercing "When people whose school/grades puts them in the top 5% of all law students can't get jobs coming out of school, you know the field is fucked."
Not many T6 people with decent grades are getting shut out. If they are, they're targeting like shit or interview like shit. Legal market used to be a lot easier, but it was still a hustle and a TTT was still a TTT. XO fosters a perverted view where law used to be wide open and jobs were awarded like party favors at graduation. |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 8:45 PM Author: Stirring Laser Beams How many people above median at schools 4-18 are getting shut out? Shitloads, and those people are all easily in the top 5% of law students. In fact, as you creep down towards 18 it's probably the norm to be shut out unless top quarter or better. And even among those who don't get shut out, there are the newly introduced minefields of mass no-offers, deferrals, and rescinded offers. That is fucking bullshit. There is no other profession where going to a school in the top 10% of schools and outperforming the majority of people there leads to such shitty outcomes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099975) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 8:48 PM Author: Arousing Orchid Genital Piercing So what you're saying is that roughly 80% of all law students graduating will be permanently unemployed and fucked? Shit, that is grim. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15100016) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 8:49 PM Author: Slate filthpig messiness not permanently, but doc review and shitlaw are not fun ways to make a living (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15100020) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 9:19 PM Author: Stirring Laser Beams even in good times well over 50% were fucked pretty hard. what do you think median people at U Miami did? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15100468) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 9:52 PM Author: Arousing Orchid Genital Piercing Seriously though, what percentage of law grads are completely fucked? 80% ? 90%? 1/9 or 1/10 law grads won't ever have a real legal career for the next few years? Just trying to get a feel for the market here.
I know you got fucked over, but XO is an echo chamber with this shit, and it's always a little sideways of reality. |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 8:46 PM Author: Slate filthpig messiness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15099991) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 9:20 PM Author: Snowy marvelous national security agency scourge upon the earth If you drop out due to that you will be mocked for the rest of your life. If you figured out you don't want to be a lawyer, drop out. But don't just drop out 'cuz you can't get BIGLAW. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15100494) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 9:23 PM Author: rebellious kitty I almost dropped out. I told school administrators about my plans, but I finished. I am glad that I did. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15100522) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 9:24 PM Author: maroon step-uncle's house sound barrier what did the administrators say when you told them? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15100538) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 9:25 PM Author: rebellious kitty It's your call, brah. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15100545) |
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Date: May 28th, 2010 1:27 AM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead What did you end up doing with the degree? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15103292) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 9:43 PM Author: Maize diverse area foreskin This is obvious flame of the crazy people on this board who think only top 1/4 at HLS gets biglaw right now. Hypothetically, 3 B+s and no B-s is about 80% to get biglaw at fall OCI. And assuming the economy continues in +GDP territory for the year I would guess 3L OCI would be atypically doable at Columbia in 2011, especially if you take the right courses and manage to pad your GPA up to have a chance at Stone one year.
Also, coming from Columbia you have so many more options. Say you want to do Entertainment law--intern at an entertainment firm/company for a year or two in law school, make connections and you have a very realistic chance to break into a practice area that's virtually impossible to get from, e.g., Texas, Cornell or Georgetown.
Now if all the rest of you people seemingly taking this guy seriously are actually pretending/flaming back, then I'm impressed, although you should've been funnier. |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 9:54 PM Author: Slate filthpig messiness sup cls admin. didn't realize you'd be trolling on a thursday night (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15100932) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 9:54 PM Author: Arousing Orchid Genital Piercing DONT YOU UNDERSTAND WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE YOU STUPID FUCK?!
ONLY TOP QUARTER AT HYS ARE GETTING ANY KIND OF JOBS AT ALL THE REST OF T14 IS TOP 2% OR DIE. THERE ARE ONLY ABOUT 400 REAL LEGAL JOBS IN THE US FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS GET FUCKING REAL AND DIE IN A FIRE |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 9:55 PM Author: Slate filthpig messiness sadly on the reality spectrum this is closer to reality than fantasy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15100948) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 10:18 PM Author: Maize diverse area foreskin Yes, if you're an ugly, aspie cunt who has a congenital need to complain and feel sorry for himself. So sorry you suck so much at life. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15101220) |
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Date: May 28th, 2010 1:27 AM Author: Slate filthpig messiness i'm not the dude insulting randoms on the internet, hth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15103293) |
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Date: May 28th, 2010 1:33 AM Author: Arrogant Spot No, but his transgressions are going to pwn him in life way less. Get a grip. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15103341) |
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Date: May 28th, 2010 3:06 AM Author: Maize diverse area foreskin C'mon we're all assholes to each other here. It's what we do. I'm just trying to shake you up a little, and on this board that means I have to go to 11. Also I suspect it's possible that you're median at M/V/P/B and trolling. If you're actually a median student at CCN and you're trying this hard to feel bad about yourself, you should strongly consider not being a lawyer (but in most cases you should still finish law school). It's much more likely that you're dreading the work/lifestyle than the debt burden and you just aren't ready to admit it to yourself. 20 years from now you'll feel retarded that you wasted your 20s crying yourself to sleep every night over an extra 50K of student loans running 5ish% interest. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15103827) |
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Date: May 28th, 2010 12:30 PM Author: Slate filthpig messiness that's a much more reasonable response (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15105299) |
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Date: May 28th, 2010 3:08 PM Author: Maize diverse area foreskin Yeah, well, I shouldn't reward your pusscakery like that. Sack up and make something of yourself, Toad. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15106105) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 9:55 PM Author: hateful mood public bath What would you advise an even greater nyu failure to do? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15100953) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 10:15 PM Author: Maize diverse area foreskin Bottom 3rd at NYU should be worried that they won't get biglaw (though it's not like you shouldn't even bother with OCI). Cultivate a specialty/niche and related contacts over 2L/3L year including an internship/work outside of school. You're a grown up. Figure out something you want to do, focus on that, network and work hard. Don't be a little whiny bitch and expect your teacher to pat you on the head and give you a gold star to make everything better. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15101185) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 10:20 PM Author: hateful mood public bath I didn't do as much networking as I should have 2L year but I've decided to quit being a bitch and just fucking do it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15101256) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 10:32 PM Author: Maize diverse area foreskin Networking doesn't = going to dumbass cocktail parties at the law school for people who are interested in practicing in X geographic location. It means a) figuring out what you want to do, b) preparing to talk to people in the field so that you can ask them smart questions and demonstrate that you're serious, c) be willing to volunteer to work for free for the right person/firm/company in order to learn how to do it, up to and including for a year after LS. My friends who did this in LS are the people who have the best jobs now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15101427) |
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Date: May 28th, 2010 12:03 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead Not flame, I assure you. Ask anyone at CLS with similar (or worse) grades how he is feeling. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15105112) |
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Date: May 27th, 2010 10:17 PM Author: Arrogant Spot Medianish at CLS is obviously an easy drop-out scenario. Don't look back. The only serious question is whether you should kill yourself. I'd start a new thread rather than get a sub-discussion going in here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15101208) |
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Date: May 28th, 2010 1:23 AM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead Why would I kill self? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15103266) |
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Date: May 28th, 2010 1:29 AM Author: Arrogant Spot Obviously there's no hope and you're debt pwned. You won't be retired by 40, have a hot trophy wife, etc. Why bother?
You'll be fine dood - just hustle, target wisely, and do as much "networking" as you can stomach. You are by no means fucked. |
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Date: May 28th, 2010 1:33 AM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead Thanks for the encouragement. Killing self over debt would be silly. I would just not pay before it got to that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15103336) |
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Date: May 28th, 2010 3:10 AM Author: Startled gay preventive strike stage I wouldn't give up yet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15103836) |
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Date: May 28th, 2010 12:38 PM Author: insane racy cumskin mental disorder lol 3 years ago you would have gotten Weil or Latham with little to no difficulty. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15105337) |
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Date: May 28th, 2010 12:59 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead I can't worry about that at this point, though. Ironically, three years ago was the summer I used to study for the LSAT while working part-time as a cashier. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15105430) |
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Date: May 28th, 2010 1:08 PM Author: crimson locus The question is why haven't you already? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15105461) |
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Date: May 28th, 2010 1:12 PM Author: Poppy know-it-all temple See what happens at EIP in August. Your next tuition payment isn't due until September, so you can re-evaluate then. But it's probably not worth it to drop out unless you have something else great lined up already. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15105478) |
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Date: May 28th, 2010 3:44 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead Have to request that loan $ soonish, though (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15106333) |
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Date: May 29th, 2010 1:05 AM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead All right, thanks for this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15109664) |
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Date: May 29th, 2010 1:11 AM Author: Slate filthpig messiness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15109689) |
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Date: June 1st, 2010 12:00 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead Updated to another B. Damn.
B,B,B,B+,B+.
Feeling pretty hopeless on the BIGLAW front, now. |
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Date: June 1st, 2010 8:12 PM Author: Slate filthpig messiness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15138829) |
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Date: June 1st, 2010 8:12 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead Elective and one of my core requirements. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15138835) |
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Date: June 1st, 2010 12:00 PM Author: motley smoky doctorate no, do not drop out! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15135133) |
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Date: June 1st, 2010 1:57 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead xplane (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15136062) |
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Date: June 1st, 2010 2:14 PM Author: supple frisky internal respiration stage stop pussying out. stay the course. you're at a t6 -- youll land something. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15136189) |
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Date: June 1st, 2010 2:16 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead i was hoping for more than 100k/yr, though (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15136209) |
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Date: June 1st, 2010 2:17 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead oh, hi, chicagolaw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15136214) |
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Date: June 1st, 2010 2:36 PM Author: supple frisky internal respiration stage you're looking for every excuse to cut bait and run.
i suspect you'll find that your polisci degree will give you precisely a 0% chance at landing a decent job, whereas your law degree gives you a far higher likelihood depending upon how hungry you are.
stop fucking around. |
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Date: June 1st, 2010 8:10 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead I did have a job with the poly sci degree. Didn't pay much, but I did enjoy it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15138822) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2010 5:19 AM Author: supple frisky internal respiration stage I give up. I have nothing more to offer you. You seem weak willed; I'd suggest you cut your losses since it seems like you don't have the moxy to make it work anyhow. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15142869) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2010 12:03 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead Nah, I will stick it out, most likely. I just have too much time on my hands, at the moment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15143611) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2010 12:13 PM Author: supple frisky internal respiration stage masturbate furiously. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15143673) |
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Date: June 1st, 2010 8:22 PM Author: Exciting medicated chapel everyone who has posted in this thread is a butt pirate faggot bitch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15138898) |
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Date: June 1st, 2010 8:23 PM Author: Slate filthpig messiness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15138905) |
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Date: June 1st, 2010 8:58 PM Author: Fragrant stubborn stead ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#15139256) |
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Date: April 18th, 2011 9:14 PM Author: Flushed Beady-eyed Weed Whacker Liquid Oxygen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1323043&forum_id=2#17798682) |