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Is it stupid to pay for an elite prep school for kids if UMC?
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Date: May 21st, 2024 4:32 PM Author: domesticated theatre nowag Oldest would need to gun next year, but he has an athletics hook and has the grades and test scores. Youngest is also plausible to be a solid contender for this path just based on his academics, drive and being better than oldest at the sport that is getting oldest noticed by prep school coaches. We live in a nice inner ring suburb with good schools that places well into our state flagship, which is one of the better ones that places well nationally. But Ivies/top 10 UGs are rare even for valedictorians from our local public HS. Pretty sure oldest will do some kind of liberal arts degree just knowing him and his personality/intellectual strengths, but I will likely be able to get him to tack on a business degree of some kind or an Econ major if he goes to a state flagship. We also have legacy at all of HYPS between UGs and grad schools of me, wife, my parents and my siblings. Stipulating that I’m ok wasting money on college in the 2030s, would it be retarded to pay a private college tuition level of money for high school to encourage my preteen to strivermax? And then potentially do it again for youngest? Why or why not? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47680667) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 4:33 PM Author: Carmine crackhouse How old are you man? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47680669) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 4:33 PM Author: domesticated theatre nowag 40s (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47680672) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 4:37 PM Author: Carmine crackhouse They're going to turn your kids into girls. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47680683) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2024 8:31 PM Author: Brilliant university grad school legacy doesn't exist as a concept
UG legacy at HYPS won't matter much either unless you are a donationmaxxer. |
Date: May 21st, 2024 4:36 PM Author: trip resort striped hyena It’s a great deal if you’re a gay jew with a fake job (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47680680) |
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Date: May 25th, 2024 9:23 PM Author: racy friendly grandma depressive (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47691689) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 4:40 PM Author: puce nofapping home as things sit now I would not blow money on this, being a well off white kid from a fancy prep school is as likely to be a liability in ivy league admissions as an asset and for most good schools it's still gpa and test scores above all else (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47680701) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 4:45 PM Author: domesticated theatre nowag It’s the level of Ivy placement that seems wildly different. The adcomms seem to have some sort of secret handshake with schools like this one to take a substantial portion of the class. Add to that the fact that my kid is never going to be a 4 or 5 star recruit but he could be a good enough player to get into HYPS given that he also would have the scores and come from a feeder school. A shitload of the kids they place into the Ivies are athletes, so there appear to be two levels of secret handshakes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47680721) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 4:48 PM Author: puce nofapping home how much of that is just legacy though? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47680743) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 4:48 PM Author: trip resort striped hyena Great question (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47680748) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 4:55 PM Author: domesticated theatre nowag Probably a lot but he would have that working for him, too.
But I think I ultimately agree that it’s a bad play. Just curious if any XO prestigewhore megastrivers wanted to make the case for strivermaxxing. The question I don’t have an answer to is how many of those kids at the elite prep school who got into Ivies had parents who coughed up seven figure donations to get them in. Because if that’s the explanation, then it’s obviously a waste of money for anyone attending who is UMC. But based on what I’ve seen of the place so far that seems to explain only a handful of kids. The other thing is that it seems like it would make high school way shittier. Surrounded by striver nerds and immense pressure to achieve a relatively unreliable result v staying in the neighborhood with friends they’ve known for years, hooking up with girls they had crushes on since third grade, walking home from a friends house, etc. All that seems like it would not be worth the sacrifice unless the outcome was more certain or they let him go for like 25% of the sticker tuition. |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 4:59 PM Author: puce nofapping home ultimately if your white kid has the stats to get into an ivy he will 100% get a school that is just as good for grad school admissions, which is the point of college these days anyway (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47680805) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 5:08 PM Author: domesticated theatre nowag This was the CW in the late 90s, too, though. And while it was true for me, I am at least not fully convinced that it will be true in all or nearly all cases by 2035 and after. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47680844) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2024 8:15 PM Author: Brilliant university Grad school, outside of a few top niches, is a waste of time and money for almost everyone. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47684617) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 5:08 PM Author: black stirring shrine Dear friend,
Is the school a boarding school preferably in the Eight Schools Association OR is it a NYC Ivy Prep? Or is it Loyola NYC (NOT regis)?
If so, yes. Even white UMC
If not, no. And laughable |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 5:34 PM Author: domesticated theatre nowag It’s a school that places at that level in terms of T10 UGs but not one of the ones you named. This does make me suspicious that the explanation for their results is not academics and is much more rich people asserting megadonor privileges.
Another point in this debate is the wild ultra shitlib stuff that all of these kinds of schools have been caught doing recently including the specific one I have in mind. That may be a good enough reason by itself to avoid the elite prep school path.
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Date: May 21st, 2024 7:57 PM Author: black stirring shrine There are some "elite preps" I left out, but not many.
Phillips Academy is CR and I'd send my boy there in a heartbeat if I can convince his grandma |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 7:58 PM Author: Brilliant university What does she have to do with it? Or you need her to pay for it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47681592) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 8:14 PM Author: black stirring shrine I would. I'm shockingly similar to OP in terms of income/assets and can't pay 80k without buy in from her mother.
Btw her father divorced her, then died and like a good lawyer I got all of his non-probate assets (and a good chunk of probate) sent her way. |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 7:59 PM Author: henna multi-colored french chef I don't know what your public schools are like, but a weird lib private school is definitely another strike against (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47681595) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 8:01 PM Author: domesticated theatre nowag Public schools are fine and feel like 90s public schools given the lack of indoctrination and the overall chill and low key vibe of the teachers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47681605) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 8:11 PM Author: black stirring shrine Public schools, no matter where, are jokes. You know that. There will always be that thought creeping into your mind.
Thus this thread |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 11:49 PM Author: Razzle Rose Range What is the end goal? Ivy grads do not outearn non-Ivy grads by so much that it's really worth 30K+ tuition for four years of high school + multiple hundreds of thousands for the ivy
send the kid to a good non-"elite private" school + state university and give them hundreds of thousands of dollars you save, invested, as a graduation present. Or buy them their first house. |
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Date: May 22nd, 2024 3:57 PM Author: Charismatic keepsake machete ratface this. ivy's, elite privates are for urm and faggy libs now - dont fight the inevitable. expensive suburb + top public school followed by state flagship is the new home of Whites. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47683946) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2024 4:01 PM Author: domesticated theatre nowag Is this not all set up for a perfect rug pull where the ultra wealthy and their URM pets are the only people who have jobs that pay more than subsistence wages in 20 years? “Oh cool you spent 100k instead of 400k getting a state flagship ug degree. Please come right this way to collect your barista apron.” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47683956) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2024 4:08 PM Author: Charismatic keepsake machete ratface could be. My faith is that white people will start looking out for each other a little bit. a lot of people are waking up. I guess I'd rather have a 20th century style white kid with a prole job than a 21st century style indoctrinated fag with an IB gig. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47683974) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 5:10 PM Author: black stirring shrine What level of school is this? Thats what I'm asking. No, some 20k a year dump is just a waste for you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47680851) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 6:06 PM Author: domesticated theatre nowag This is a 50k a year prep school that places super well into Ivies, and about 75-80% of its graduating class in top 25 UGs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47680986) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 7:58 PM Author: black stirring shrine Highly intrigued. If boarding possibly. Any way you can "narrow it down" without outing? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47681593) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2024 3:32 PM Author: domesticated theatre nowag If I give any geographic info at all it outs the school for sure. Sufficed to say it’s not in a geo that people typically associate with elite boarding schools, and it’s still majority commuter although the trend toward boarding there is strong. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47683866) |
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Date: May 25th, 2024 9:53 PM Author: gold senate halford the only two non-coastal elite privates that come to mind are burroughs in st.louis (non-boarding) and culver military in indiana, boarding w/ t10 endowment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47691745) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 5:15 PM Author: Laughsome spot dingle berry Seems like a private high school is a better investment than an Ivy these days assuming you're invested in an education and contacts. Exeter UMASS is probably preferable to shithigh Harvard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47680868) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 5:37 PM Author: domesticated theatre nowag I agree with the argument that a Harvard UG degree is not as valuable or worthwhile as it was 25 years ago, let alone 50. But I don’t think there’s a lot of upside to spending 200k to be the poorest kid at the ultra rich school who then gets sent back to be with the proles after graduation. I guess my kid could impregnate an heiress or something, but it seems a lot more credited to just go to your local hs if you’re mostly resigned to big state u for ug. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47680918) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 6:08 PM Author: trip resort striped hyena gay ugly jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47680992) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 8:00 PM Author: black stirring shrine I impregnated two "heiresses" friend, from elite LACs
It can be done. But you have to tell him what he needs to do. |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 8:01 PM Author: domesticated theatre nowag I married another UMC striver and have no idea how to seduce rich girls, though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47681607) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 8:16 PM Author: black stirring shrine Be a tall chad, not afraid of wealth and lie lie lie about your origins until you hook them with semen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47681659) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 8:23 PM Author: domesticated theatre nowag You’re a goldmine of great info, thanks Dear Friend (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47681671) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 8:34 PM Author: black stirring shrine You're welcome, even if you mean that insincerely! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47681690) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2024 3:31 PM Author: domesticated theatre nowag Not insincere at all. Not sure we totally see eye to eye on this topic but your contributions ITT were/are valuable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47683860) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 8:07 PM Author: henna multi-colored french chef did they have your children? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47681632) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 8:15 PM Author: black stirring shrine Yes, both. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47681656) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 10:47 PM Author: henna multi-colored french chef sounds prestigious. are you married to either of them? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47682179) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 11:51 PM Author: black stirring shrine Yes, the first one. Living with her currently (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47682303) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2024 8:34 AM Author: henna multi-colored french chef wow. And was there a second kid, do you share custody? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47682679) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2024 1:52 PM Author: black stirring shrine I rent an apartment for my second, younger gf and opened a second CC for her. She's raising our boy fine
No legal action (yet)
Her parents LOVE how she's being taken care of. |
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Date: May 22nd, 2024 2:07 PM Author: henna multi-colored french chef damn, you've made it? sounds like a complicated domestic arrangement. does your wife hate the other woman? and both kids were born before you got married (like this wasn't an affair)? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47683612) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2024 2:11 PM Author: black stirring shrine Second one with GF was an affair. And no wife doesn't "hate" her, but wife kicked her out of our apartment by threatening divorce. It's an insane amount of micromanaging.
Both kids are about the same age, I cheated on wife when she was pregnant. |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 5:39 PM Author: French Internet-worthy Weed Whacker r u jewish or "u"rm? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47680925) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 5:48 PM Author: domesticated theatre nowag No to both. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47680942) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 5:42 PM Author: Wild Ultramarine Fanboi yes IMO those schools are only for truly rich people (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47680936) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 5:43 PM Author: French Internet-worthy Weed Whacker truly rich people are home schooling their kids w the people in the neighborhood
https://ca.movies.yahoo.com/news/real-reason-marc-andreessen-urging-092709793.html?guccounter=1 |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 5:51 PM Author: Flesh know-it-all roommate pozpig I don't understand the mentality of parents that send their kids to boarding school. like, the kids are going to leave at 18 and be gone forever. no matter how close you are, and even if they move back in for a time, you won't be a cohesive family unit under the same roof in this way again. why would you want to sacrifice that for a marginally better chance at a slightly more decent career in the white collar hellscape (e.g., finance) somewhere down the line? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47680955) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 5:58 PM Author: domesticated theatre nowag Agreed but my kid could attend school in OP and live at home. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47680968) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 8:01 PM Author: black stirring shrine Some people care about their children's lives as opposed to flame "cohesive family unit"
If his boy is a killer he'll never be satisfied with anything but the best |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 11:52 PM Author: Razzle Rose Range i care about my life not about my family tp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47682304) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 6:30 PM Author: gaped blue ape umc like you make 900k or umc like you make 300k (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47681033) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 6:46 PM Author: domesticated theatre nowag A little over 400k. Could plausibly get over 600k total HHI by 1/1/2026 if everything broke right. We also have a 529 for him that already has 150k in it because my parents also made contributions and we started when he was born. It’s not impossible to afford, but it would significantly alter our lifestyle. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47681095) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 6:49 PM Author: gaped blue ape its not worth it. and i mean that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47681110) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 8:00 PM Author: domesticated theatre nowag I’m curious what level of income of net worth would be sufficient to justify an elite prep school. To me it’s crazy to pay millions to ensure my kids get into Ivies if I was already worth 10M+ and had a clear path to 25M+ net worth by retirement. That’s when I would tell my kids to prioritize fun, friends who are good people, and fucking lots of hot chicks. Like I would be disappointed if they turned out to be Chet Hanks, but I would also be happy that they never have to work if they don’t want to. But my tiny pink low single digit M net worth and likely retirement nest eggs not much more than 10M means they will need jobs when they are grown. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47681600) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 8:03 PM Author: black stirring shrine For a boy I would absolutely recommend (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47681612) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 8:29 PM Author: gaped blue ape you need to learn how to properly spend and budget money and teach your kids the same otherwise they are fucked no matter where they go. its not the 90s where people just wander around aimlessly paying ripoff retail prices at stores. if your "HHI" is 400k, meaning you and your wife both work its not worth it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47681682) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 8:32 PM Author: black stirring shrine Why do you choose to give up friend? There is always mobility to be had. His boy has an opportunity and he has the wealth to make that dream possible.
It's not the "network", it's the friends he will make for life and the women he will impregnate. High school is the last opportunity to truly bond with someone. |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 9:33 PM Author: gaped blue ape his prep school friends will scatter like brick breaker balls and his college friends will too. no real network there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47681895) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 11:53 PM Author: black stirring shrine While I understand that, my argument is, quite simply, he make a "mistake" with a girl in his class (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47682305) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 7:00 PM Author: thriller emerald stage being the poor kid at an elite prep school is not going to be fun (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47681186) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 7:01 PM Author: cowardly aqua puppy menage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47681192) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 7:04 PM Author: trip resort striped hyena It’s over (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47681219) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 6:51 PM Author: cowardly aqua puppy menage what's the point of striving if you're going to inflict the same shitty mindset on your kids. I'd be setting my kids up to chillmax not strivermax. Have them focus on being fit, athletic, and fratty and send them to Arizona State or a southern party school where they can enjoy college and build a killer network. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47681126) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 7:10 PM Author: puce nofapping home "Son, I could have left you 200k in an interest bearing account that would be worth a shit ton in 40 years, but I really wanted you to see what it's like being around real rich people" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47681278) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 7:15 PM Author: cowardly aqua puppy menage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47681318) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2024 4:58 PM Author: adventurous kitchen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47684074) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 7:50 PM Author: domesticated theatre nowag Obviously it’s to strive EVEN BETTER than I did.
But in all seriousness I resist the XO consensus on this topic bc it seems clear to me that college attendance has peaked and lots of people are looking for alternatives. So the relative rarity and resulting prestige premium and benefits of the network are low now but could rebound in 15-20 years, and at that point it will be very advantageous to have maxed out credentials if you are UMC. Related to this is the fact that AA was killed to death by SCOTUS and legacy admissions are so far left completely in tact, so the signaling value of a prestigious degree has been recently pumped up by changes in the legal regime that governs admissions. Similarly, I buy the premise that a lot of jobs that were available to mediocre state school grads 20 years ago up to today are going to be automated away over the next 20 years, and the winners of GC in the 2040s will be people who are able to survive a harsher culling process in their early careers. It may be the case that the brightest state flagship students will be fine anyway, but having attended a state flagship ug and an Ivy law school the difference in terms of the impact of my network has been night and day. |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 7:54 PM Author: cowardly aqua puppy menage are you asian or autistic? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47681573) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 7:55 PM Author: domesticated theatre nowag Autistic, eastern euro sub variant. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47681579) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 7:57 PM Author: cowardly aqua puppy menage that tracks
autism is genetic as well so, good luck. |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 8:04 PM Author: domesticated theatre nowag Both my kids are way less autistic than me, thankfully. I’m also way less autistic than my dad, who was a PhD Engineer with an Ivy degree and if he was born after 2010 he probably would’ve been involuntarily committed by the age of 8. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47681619) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 8:10 PM Author: black stirring shrine Great genes. Don't listen to haters on xo. Crabs trying to grind you down (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47681643) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 8:04 PM Author: trip resort striped hyena gay, jewish (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47681615) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 7:57 PM Author: Flesh know-it-all roommate pozpig why is the best outcome you can envision for your children a lifetime white collar slavery for a wage? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47681588) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 8:03 PM Author: domesticated theatre nowag It’s not of course. It wasn’t for myself either. But as fallback options for surviving life in a GC hellscape go, it’s likely the least bad option for me and my kids. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47681609) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 8:06 PM Author: Flesh know-it-all roommate pozpig given the advantages they were born into, it's one of the worst options for your kids I can imagine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47681626) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 8:09 PM Author: black stirring shrine I disagree with XO consensus totally and highly recommend you send him to a boarding school.
I've also benefitted from premiums in my school name outside of globohomo that would be laughably impossible to even imagine had I went the "local school and chill" route. That leads to a sad life. |
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Date: May 22nd, 2024 4:51 PM Author: cowardly aqua puppy menage local school and chill with zero financial burden and no class anxiety is a much better route than being a third-generation striver (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47684062) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 8:02 PM Author: henna multi-colored french chef sounds cr to me (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47681608) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 8:08 PM Author: Vengeful Ungodly Indirect Expression Theater yes, it is stupid. almost all kids at prep school do the same or worse than they would have if they had gone to public school (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47681635) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 8:10 PM Author: domesticated theatre nowag Sounds like you have some deep and broad knowledge and experience on the topic. Care to share any of it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47681644) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 8:23 PM Author: Pontificating elite gunner A couple thoughts.
Wife and I were privately educated from K-12, and I also went to a boarding school. We both ended up at an elite Ivy where we met. We vaguely assumed kids would also go to private schools but as life has turned out, we ended up in one of the best school districts in California while the local prep schools have gone extremely woke, much woker than our local public schools. Which have been fine. More than fine, actually. Kids are doing well and are properly challenged. I like their friends, I like their teachers. Most grads go to to UC/Cal State/Arizona schools but a decent cohort goes east to both LACs and Ivies and Hopkins/Vanderbilt/WUSTL etc. Plans to eventually move them to private schools have fallen to the wayside. However, we will definitely reevaluate if we ever have to. Class sizes are still bigger than I'd like but it's working out for now.
As a double Ivy alum, Ivy prestige has greatly declined in last 20 years. The gravy train ain't really there any more outside very selective industries. Most Ivy grads don't even come anywhere close to these industries. If you want to work on Wall Street, having a dad with connections is more helpful than a diploma from an Ivy school. Why bother gunning for a badly corrupt institution these days, places that have become laughingstocks outside the Democratic elite?
But if it's still your goal, Ivy admissions works like this: every prospective incoming class is broken down by demographics, racial, first gen, international students, athletes, legacy/preferred admits from connected families. They want as many blacks/latinos while keeping Asians as plausibly low as possible but still accepting them at greatly overproportional levels. What this means is the slots for the unhooked UMC white kid has collapsed to maybe 10% of the student body, and that's going to be 5% each gender. Assuming 1600 spaces available. 5% of that is 80. You're not gunning for 1 out of 1600 spaces but 1 out if 80 spaces. Meanwhile there's probably 10,000 white male applicants for those 80 spots.
What legacy means is your parents donated a lot of money and / or are seriously prestigious. For a kid with the right stats to be admitted, if you have a fancy Hollywood actor as a legacy dad: guarantee admit. Alumna Mom is a senior executive at Goldman Sachs? Admitted. Your typical law or doctor or corp executive who donated $200 each year for the last 20 years? Reject. And a goodly proportion of the Ivy pipeline to the prestigious consulting/finance/whatever who still want to recruit from the Ivies are dominated by these kids whose parents already have the connections. It's mainly the top 10% of black students at the Ivies who are given access to this pipeline, not the UMC non legacy white students. You're no better off than had you gone to Vanderbilt or Emory.
I guarantee you the fancy prep school you're looking at has a lot of connected parents. Is it one of the DC schools like St. Albans/Sidwell? Plenty of legacy + connected alumni parents and that's why the pipeline to the Ivies seems so great. And the school will get their top black kids, who also typically have accomplished parents, into the Ivies. But kids at those schools who don't have connected parents get just as shut out as at a great suburban public.
Wisdom among parents I like is that Chicago is the place to go if you want something approximating an Ivy campus environment from the 1990s-early 2000s. We're definitely keeping an eye on it for my eldest in a few years.
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Date: May 21st, 2024 8:27 PM Author: black stirring shrine Amazing poast.
What are your thoughts on income mobility, a boy poaching a wealthy girl? This is much easier in high school at an Ivy Prep than it is in college, where the game is already set. |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 8:39 PM Author: black stirring shrine Also agree that Albans/Sidwell are flame and only buoyed by wealthy alumni.
But Andover, Choate and Exeter are the real deal. I can also discourse extensively about NYC Ivy's but OP doesn't seem to be from here |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 8:45 PM Author: domesticated theatre nowag Albans and Sidwell and all the “elite” DC schools are rancid flame. CR in DC is a public magnet in the suburbs, and odds are still high that you end up at your state flagship from there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47681738) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 8:48 PM Author: black stirring shrine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47681753) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 8:49 PM Author: Comical ceo pervert Dear Friend
Where would you send a middling 5th grader boy with average intelligence and limited extra-curriculars in MFH? |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 8:52 PM Author: black stirring shrine Depends what his stock is and where you expect him to end up, height more important than intelligence. If parents are tall folk and relatively intelligent, you can work with that and teach him infinitely. The world is his oyster with proper fathering (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47681763) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 8:56 PM Author: Comical ceo pervert I guess he's fucked then (UMC 5'9 dad) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47681777) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 8:57 PM Author: black stirring shrine Superdose HGH starting now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47681781) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 9:27 PM Author: Brilliant university Consider life on the Mars Colonies. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47681864) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 9:48 PM Author: trip resort striped hyena (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47681930) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 11:04 PM Author: Brilliant university Ok, spill the beans on NYC. Also why do you hate Regis? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47682212) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2024 12:00 AM Author: black stirring shrine Too tired now. But basically the "rankings" are only part of the story.
Regis is a poor man's Loyola, in facilities, teachers etc. It's free after all and masks its flaws with high-testing kids that are not at all rounded. Very awk and very nerdy and very good "testers" (in a way, it seems like law school). It's designed for "smart kids" where you have to be top of class at a parochial school but I've never met anyone who went there who wasn't, for lack of a better word, a poor striver. It's not the nightmare of Stuyvesant by any means, but there are plenty of other great catholic options in the city |
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Date: May 25th, 2024 9:57 PM Author: gold senate halford if you want exeter and aren't connected, your kid needs to do one of their summer programs in middle school. if exeter wants your kid, that summer program will essentially be comp'd. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47691757) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 8:43 PM Author: domesticated theatre nowag Yes I remember your prior poasts on this and similar topics. I think you and I might live very close to each other actually.
React to my point above re the dawning of AI etc. means that the state flagship to MC or UMC lifestyle pipeline is likely to get squeezed in the future and so while prestige whoring is probably irrational today it could become more rational in the future. I mean less the Finance/NYC tracks you seem to have in mind, and more stuff like non-programmer jobs in Tech. Being both validated by a prestigious credential and having a closer connection to the circles of decision makers will be more valuable than it was from 2006-2019. Disagree? |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 9:31 PM Author: Pontificating elite gunner Disagree with some caveats. Also can't worry about the future too much. The one thing that is guaranteed is that the future is never what we expect it to be. And you have no idea what your kid will want to do. Medicine? Research? Consulting? Law? Can't plan too much in advance for his career. Or even know what career tracks will open up.
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Date: May 21st, 2024 8:23 PM Author: black stirring shrine 1) OP should only send a boy to a nice school. A girl is LOL
2) It's a great benefit academically (i.e. all privates are better schools), but this fades in importance compared to kid's intrinsic drive
3) Would coach boy on ways to seduce the truly elite girls from wealthy families. This is how you become elite anymore. The gender inversion and globohomo has accelerated this and made it MORE possible if kid is a genuine chad
4) If you do decide to send him to elite school, be relentless with him. Force him to hang out with people, play sports, be a chad. It's easier to be a chad at elite prep schools as well |
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Date: May 22nd, 2024 12:28 AM Author: Curious doctorate No it's not. Genes are stratified by socioeconomic class more than ever before in this country. Wtf are you even talking about lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47682345) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 8:35 PM Author: Brilliant university The main reason to do this is to avoid proles and LMC, and minimize your interaction with the government. To have a better school experience and get a better education. To learn a certain mindset.
Decide how much that is worth to you. To some people it's well worth $60k. To others, it's not worth it over public school.
Don't count on it as a way to the Ivies or anything else. |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 8:47 PM Author: domesticated theatre nowag Don’t really have LMC in my local public HS. Have an annoying number of FOB immigrants, but they don’t typically cause any impediments to my kids learning. Just insular and socially retarded weirdos who are in the way at the grocery store or when I’m trying to get to work. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47681747) |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 8:50 PM Author: black stirring shrine Go to Niche.com
It will tell you all you need to know about FOBs if you understand my meaning |
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Date: May 21st, 2024 9:39 PM Author: fuchsia unholy ladyboy OP, the kids at the boarding schools are not as rich as you are imagining. Of course some of them come from families that are donating new buildings to Ivies and whatnot, but most are not. A lot of haute UMC and lower UC people. That border between UMC and UC is really the bread and butter of these places. A substantial portion of that admissions benefit that you're seeing can be attributes to the school. And yes, there are strong relationships between many of these schools and prestigious universities.
Boarding school is an intense experience, but highly beneficial if your son can handle it. I did the boarding school to Ivy route. And yes, it was bittersweet to grind away far from home while my friends had normal high school experiences, and eventually normal college experiences. It probably screwed up my social development to some extent. But what I got in return was so great. The challenge, the learning, the connections, the breadth of experience, it was all just on another level. I don't regret it a bit, and I'd do it all over again.
Also, don't discount the benefits of being a recruited athlete at an Ivy. You're automatically one of the cool kids as part of your team, which has very real benefits in making connections and building your network. Benefits that last for many years after graduation. |
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Date: May 22nd, 2024 12:01 AM Author: black stirring shrine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47682311) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2024 12:08 AM Author: domesticated theatre nowag How common was it for these striver kids to have divorced parents or parents in otherwise dysfunctional marriages. I think if I didn’t like my kids as much as I do boarding school would be a no brainer. My sister in law has sucky kids and I always encourage her to ship them off asap. But my oldest still really respects me and listens to me, and he would miss me and his brother a lot. Seems like the best use case for boarding school is kids who don’t really like their parents and siblings very much. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47682317) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2024 12:16 AM Author: black stirring shrine Exeter's endowment is $1.3 billion friend. Choate is like $400 million. Dalton, a very prestigious non-boarding NYC ivy, has maybe $150-200 million at most
Clearly there are other reasons to attend boarding school past not having a good family life.
A fucking high school has $1.3 billion |
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Date: May 22nd, 2024 12:33 AM Author: Curious doctorate Janitors are retiring with millions. Your point? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47682352) |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 7:18 PM Author: Tantric Aromatic Brethren Rehab "Also, don't discount the benefits of being a recruited athlete at an Ivy. You're automatically one of the cool kids as part of your team, which has very real benefits in making connections and building your network. Benefits that last for many years after graduation"
If his kid were good enough to be a recruit he wouldn't need to make this post. |
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Date: May 22nd, 2024 1:03 AM Author: razzmatazz stage 'But Ivies/top 10 UGs are rare even for valedictorians from our local public HS.'
are you retarded
this is 2024. prep schools wont "place" your kid into an ivy better than your suburban high school.
thats not how that works. how it does work is that prep schools may report slightly better stats (not as good as you think) because they have there some of the few kids who were autoadmits from birth (retard billionaires like jared kushner, eg). |
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Date: May 22nd, 2024 1:12 AM Author: razzmatazz stage https://www.stgeorges.edu/academics/collegecounseling/after-st-georges
5 total at HYP over FOUR years.
gee, you think any of them had connections?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:St._George%27s_School_(Rhode_Island)_alumni
edit: if they like harry potter they'll ENJOY the old buildings, though.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/COM05068.jpg |
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Date: May 22nd, 2024 6:42 AM Author: fuchsia unholy ladyboy You definitely have to choose wisely. Some of these places like St. George's were once immensely prestigious (think 100 years ago) but have gone straight into the shitter and it's not entirely clear how they survive or whether they will in the future. Others, like some mentioned up thread, are still very much in the game. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47682508) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2024 9:16 AM Author: effete excitant gaping state These stats are troubling. I don’t know what the fuck a University of Denver is, but I am not about to pay some Rhode Island gays $50k+ per year to prep my kids for it. Sending multiple kids to that level of school means they are admitting actual dumbs and then failing at the primary mission of getting them to a good college. A smart kid would do better with no help and a moderately dumb rich kid if prepped correctly should get something like Tufts or if really dumb just cut your losses and send to state school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47682762) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2024 1:30 PM Author: arrogant school Don’t be mean to dirte tp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47683509) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2024 2:05 PM Author: black stirring shrine Look to the privates with the largest ebdowments. It's the only rough measure you have for quality (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47683609) |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 7:20 PM Author: Tantric Aromatic Brethren Rehab Biggest problem with university of Denver is that they call themselves "DU" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47693624) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2024 11:41 AM Author: arrogant school We have decided that it’s not worth it. They’re $50-60k per year +5-8% increase per year. That’s just too much particularly if you have multiple kids unless you’re making something like $2M+. If you make like $500k your kids will be the poor ones. Also, many of these have become Asian striver pressure cookers.
We have our kids in good (but not elite) public and are keeping an eye on it. Teachers have ranged from ok to fantastic. Kids are 75% peers and 25% LMC. Experience has been pretty normal: school events, firefighters coming to school, field trip to local history museum. So far, so good.
Your kid’s drive means much, much more than where they go to school. |
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Date: May 22nd, 2024 2:03 PM Author: black stirring shrine You're coping hard friend. Exeter and Choate are in no way "asian striver pressure cookers". Your kid's "drive" will stop mattering when, even if praise god he makes it into C, he simply can't access the Links/Knickerbocker and then descends into globohomohell from his lack of connections and pedigree.
It's another life altogether. A life you can't even imagine. That's worth at least 60-80k a year. |
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Date: May 22nd, 2024 2:09 PM Author: henna multi-colored french chef i grew up prole as hell. what happens at choate or exeter? those bros all get PE offers upon college graduation? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47683616) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2024 2:25 PM Author: black stirring shrine Maybe after college/grad school, but PE jobs/offers are not actually great. I work at one, and it's wage slavery. In a way, much worse than biglaw, albeit not as much blowback from bitch partners (see reason below...)
The better path involves a ton of capital that either you've received in inheritance or managed to eek out of others by your wonderful gift of gab (less likely now for reasons obvious, i.e. the "firm handshake" meme) or by forced familial ties (i.e., having a baby with significant investor's daughter). The firm I work at currently is not affiliated with either my gf or wife, but both of their parents have large investments in other firms and were admittedly instrumental in placing me here. I went to good schools but am HUwhite
Inevitably, since neither family has sons and neither wants their girls to work, I'll likely have to step up and help manage both of their funds. Which is probably why at the shop I work at now, only the head investor/partner gives me grief. The others stay away from me or try to appease me, which ultimately is the best arrangement since I'm fucking insane with generating as much AUM as possible. Fuck the law |
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Date: May 22nd, 2024 8:27 PM Author: cowardly aqua puppy menage describe gf's tits (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47684645) |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 4:36 PM Author: black stirring shrine Firm, upperclass supple As that became Bs right after fucking me and Cs when she had kid (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47693177) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2024 2:34 PM Author: domesticated theatre nowag Isn’t Choate flame ie it’s all just kids of profs/proximity to Nee Haven that explains their high number of Yale admits and for the rest of the Ivies they place worse than top public schools? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47683684) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2024 2:40 PM Author: black stirring shrine Choate doesn't publish stats but I'm sure a ton get into all of HYSP at a much higher rate than any public schools. Publics have always been libflame.
In comparison to other privates/boardings, difficult to gauge. Though I'm certain it's better than Sidwell etc |
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Date: May 22nd, 2024 2:49 PM Author: domesticated theatre nowag Choate purportedly does way worse than top publics at HSPM and to get Columbia you need to be top 25% in the class. I have a good law school friend who went there with all his siblings, and he is not sending his oldest there, but will pay for Exeter or Andover if any kids get into either of those. He claims those are the only two boarding schools worth attending, ie sounds like several people ITT. I think he’s a bit over indexed/personally biased by his experience, but I do trust that his read of Choate placement into Ivies specifically is accurate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47683731) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2024 4:46 PM Author: razzmatazz stage the people getting into HYP from top prep schools are super connected from birth elites or academically dominant asians. sorry.
https://patch.com/massachusetts/andover/andover-students-advance-math-competition-finals |
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Date: May 22nd, 2024 8:28 PM Author: domesticated theatre nowag This is helpful, thanks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47684647) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2024 2:44 PM Author: domesticated theatre nowag This all makes sense to me, but the additional angle that gives me pause is the athlete piece. And admittedly 90% of my motivation is coming from my son’s private coach blowing smoke up my/his ass. But this coach has a loose set of connections to worse schools and is realistic enough to admit that there’s zero chance my kid can go to a high end P5 program. But he is even more enthusiastic than me about the prospect of him going to a nerd school where the combo of being a 2 star talent athletically and 4+ star academically with parents who can pay full tuition is very important. And I do buy into the idea that being any kind of college athlete is worthwhile and valuable socially in college and beyond ie it’s a great line at a bar when you’re in your early/mid 20s and trying to tag yourself as the top 3% of cock that she needs to be chasing hard. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47683717) |
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Date: May 25th, 2024 10:34 PM Author: Brilliant university the top 3% of cock that she needs to be chasing hard tp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47691839) |
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Date: May 25th, 2024 8:40 PM Author: Walnut jap lodge All in I usually bring in around $400K a year and my wife has a government email job that is $120K but full healthcare benefits for the whole family. Our city is expensive but easily affordable with that income.
I made a thread about private school and college for our measly household of two kids and XO started SCREAMING and losing its fucking mind when I suggested I would just pay for college for them (other than the cheapest state direction school in the area).
So, no, of course not worth it. Only ENHINEERING/COMPUTA SCI-RENCE on scholarship or the single cheapest public option possible. Anything else, according to XO is financial and spiritual suicide. |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 2:21 AM Author: razzmatazz stage a lot of words to say you're a poor prole. cry more (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47692029) |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 10:26 AM Author: Laughsome spot dingle berry Hi so back to my point. Given that a normal white kid won't get into an Ivy, is private high school the best option for him? Seems like he'd be more likely to make those connections. What's the point in an Ivy education? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47692389) |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 4:33 PM Author: Vengeful Ungodly Indirect Expression Theater all that matters these days is your network. shitlibs have succeeded in destroying meritocracy. if you think your kid will learn how to build a solid network better in public school, send them to public. if not, private (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47693167) |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 4:40 PM Author: black stirring shrine "network" is a meritocratic word, friend. You'e identified the problem, see the proper solution below (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47693196) |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 4:48 PM Author: Vengeful Ungodly Indirect Expression Theater hardy har har, faggot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47693253) |
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Date: May 26th, 2024 4:38 PM Author: black stirring shrine "connections" and "network" are cope words and infuriate me to no end. The only way to make it in this world anymore is to creampie as many wealthy young girls as possible when young and spread your fucking seed
Anything else is a WASTE |
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Date: May 27th, 2024 3:08 AM Author: razzmatazz stage prep school --> ski bum in tahoe where all his rich prep school friends come to hang out while doing community college --> berkeley/ucla transfer.
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Date: May 26th, 2024 5:06 PM Author: mauve indian lodge quadroon don't be selfish. pay for the best prep school you can afford. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5531125&forum_id=2#47693312) |