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record companies sue AI music generators
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Date: June 24th, 2024 9:11 PM Author: aquamarine wonderful reading party base law is boring af but this is going to be a really interesting case. seems hard to split the baby here - either they're liable and AI music is dead or they're not and recorded music is dead. ruling should carry over to art and film and whatever other AI paradigm we're about to enter into. does AI owe money for the information it's using to generate new stuff?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/06/24/suno-lawsuit-udio-sony-warner-umg-copyright/ |
Date: June 24th, 2024 9:12 PM Author: razzmatazz hell who cares most music now is purpose built to make people whiny and gay or totally mentally retarded or both (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5544925&forum_id=2#47775260) |
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Date: June 24th, 2024 9:12 PM Author: Aqua fantasy-prone rehab stock car lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5544925&forum_id=2#47775261) |
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Date: June 24th, 2024 9:33 PM Author: boyish dull business firm AI companies can pre-train on essentially limitless quantities on non-music audio, pay for access to cheap/garbage music and then reinforcement learn from there using online raters. The best the record companies can hope for here is 1) preventing them from closely copying their existing catalog 2) delaying high quality, superhuman quality music generation by a couple years. Plenty of people don’t care about the human element here and will happily consume highly customized AI music. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5544925&forum_id=2#47775297) |
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Date: June 24th, 2024 9:50 PM Author: aquamarine wonderful reading party base i was just wondering if you could train it on enough public domain stuff that, along with some guidance, it eventually creates say motown on it's own so that you don't owe motown shit. and from there funk, hip hop, rap, so on and so forth. so yeah, it didn't use your specific song, but it mastered your genre to such an extent that it's indistinguishable. the AI companies could prove that they never fed it copyrighted material, they just trained it really well. they're one staff composer away from liability. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5544925&forum_id=2#47775330) |
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Date: June 25th, 2024 12:29 AM Author: boyish dull business firm That’s probably possible with RLHF and massive pre training. You can pay people next to nothing to listen to countless hours of music and nudging it closer to whatever direction you want. Actually, many people would probably do it for free. There’s no realistic scenario where artists end up on top with any of this. The same argument applies to image or video generative models or writing. Those people fixating on copyright don’t realize they are only slightly delaying their obsolescence even if they win in court. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5544925&forum_id=2#47775735) |
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Date: June 25th, 2024 12:36 AM Author: aphrodisiac honey-headed office Yeah, it's not hard to speedrun an AI through the principles of music. You could use an adversarial AI that determines if generated music is "catchy" or not. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5544925&forum_id=2#47775750) |
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Date: June 25th, 2024 4:10 PM Author: boyish dull business firm It would be interesting to know how hard that would be. I think the appeal of most art has to do with finding compressed representations of the environment. Something is aesthetically pleasing when there is a latent structure to it that has some element of surprise. White noise isn’t interesting because it isn’t compressible and a highly predictable song isn’t interesting either in most cases. This makes intuitive sense, as brains find it rewarding to better model environmental regularities. You could probably formalize that based on pre-training on normal audio and then fine tune on song ratings. Then take a pre-trained model and sample from it until you get high estimated ratings. No way this doesn’t happen soon. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5544925&forum_id=2#47776879) |
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Date: June 25th, 2024 12:32 AM Author: metal stag film dog poop SCOTUS needs to nullify the copyright clause, or at least "infer" some reasonable limits based on common law tradition. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5544925&forum_id=2#47775746) |
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Date: June 25th, 2024 12:39 AM Author: tan corner round eye the (((record industry))) continues its distinguished 50 year rearguard action against technologies which have vaporized 95% of its sales in that time. they 'sued' blank tape manufacturers in the 80s, they 'sued' napster, they 'sued' Apple. surely, this will go extremely well for them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5544925&forum_id=2#47775755) |
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Date: June 25th, 2024 1:27 AM Author: magenta university If record companies won, wouldn’t every industry win, or is there something specific about music? Like won’t book publishers, newspapers, etc etc all win too since LLMs are all by their nature trained on material? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5544925&forum_id=2#47775778) |
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Date: June 25th, 2024 4:13 PM Author: Exhilarant maniacal fanboi mad-dog skullcap Look goy you're thinking about this way too hard
Wouldn't you rather pay several dollars for the "rights" to listen to a song one time, or 20 dollars for the "right" to watch a movie once? |
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Date: June 25th, 2024 4:12 PM Author: Exhilarant maniacal fanboi mad-dog skullcap Lol these kike scammers are fucked
It's completely over for the music, film, etc industries. All this fake Jewish nonsense is going to be raped by AI |
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Date: June 25th, 2024 4:31 PM Author: grizzly racy locale water buffalo I want to read more/understand the AI companies arguments better, but it seems like the sampling precedents will be tough to distinguish, which would mean the record companies strangle the AI nerds’ baby in its crib. That’s presumably why the media megacorps chose this as their test case. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5544925&forum_id=2#47776982) |
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Date: June 25th, 2024 4:35 PM Author: cobalt hall masturbator https://suno.com/song/065bf151-d2e5-482e-9131-5bf4a1927637 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5544925&forum_id=2#47776998) |
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Date: June 25th, 2024 4:37 PM Author: cobalt hall masturbator https://suno.com/song/da3e0cd5-fc46-4271-bab3-7caf8a8b3ac1 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5544925&forum_id=2#47777009) |