SCOTUS Upholds Tennessee Ban On Child Mutiliation
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Date: June 18th, 2025 2:43 PM
Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,...:..:.,:.::,.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5739833&forum_id=2#49028911) |
Date: June 18th, 2025 10:50 AM Author: internet g0y
Thomas blasts "so-called experts" in concurring opinion:
There are several problems with appealing and deferring
to the authority of the expert class. First, so-called experts
have no license to countermand the “wisdom, fairness, or
logic of legislative choices.” FCC v. Beach Communications,
Inc., 508 U. S. 307, 313 (1993). Second, contrary to the rep-
resentations of the United States and the private plaintiffs,
there is no medical consensus on how best to treat gender
dysphoria in children. Third, notwithstanding the alleged
experts’ view that young children can provide informed con-
sent to irreversible sex-transition treatments, whether
such consent is possible is a question of medical ethics that
States must decide for themselves. Fourth, there are par-
ticularly good reasons to question the expert class here, as
recent revelations suggest that leading voices in this area
have relied on questionable evidence, and have allowed ide-
ology to influence their medical guidance.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5739833&forum_id=2#49028046) |
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Date: June 18th, 2025 10:51 AM
Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
there was an amicus brief in that case exposing the WPATH position as being fully captured by activists.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5739833&forum_id=2#49028051) |
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Date: June 18th, 2025 11:04 AM
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Attorney General Marshall Files Brief Supporting Tennessee’s Law Protecting Children from Sex-Change Procedures
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For Immediate Release:
October 15, 2024
For press inquiries only, contact:
Amanda Priest (334) 322-5694
William Califf (334) 604-3230
(Montgomery, Ala.)—Alabama Attorney General Steve Marshall today filed an amicus brief in the U.S. Supreme Court in support of a Tennessee law that protects children from irreversible sex-change procedures. The Biden-Harris administration is challenging the law, arguing that it is unconstitutional to place age limits on sex-change procedures.
“When the Biden-Harris administration sued Alabama and demanded that the state allow sex-change procedures on children, we fought back. Through court-ordered discovery, Alabama exposed a truly shocking medical, legal, and political scandal. Internal documents from the federal government and radical advocacy groups showed that the Biden-Harris administration, ‘social justice lawyers,’ and self-appointed medical ‘experts’ manipulated medical guidelines for the purpose of convincing courts to abolish age limits for sterilizing chemical treatments and surgeries for kids,” said Attorney General Marshall. “It is no wonder the Department of Justice fought so hard to shut down discovery in Alabama’s case. The administration secretly helped craft these purportedly ‘evidence-based’ guidelines and knew there was precious little evidence behind them, but still told courts to defer to them. We ask the Supreme Court to reject the administration’s cynical argument that the Constitution now mandates States like Alabama and Tennessee use those guidelines to harm children.”
The brief highlights how the Biden-Harris administration conspired with the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) and other advocacy organizations to influence guideline documents meant to be used by physicians caring for minors suffering from gender dysphoria. The brief details how senior officials at the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services pressured WPATH to remove age minimums for chemical and surgical interventions and how WPATH relied on advice from “social justice lawyers” to evade evidence-based review for its guidelines. The administration has told the Supreme Court that “overwhelming evidence” supports the use of giving gender dysphoric kids “puberty blockers and hormones,” but well before it made that representation, officials at HHS acknowledged that “there is little/no evidence about children and adolescents.”
Alabama’s brief also argues that the ongoing political and medical scandal highlights the dangers of allowing courts to transfer authority from legislatures to self-appointed experts like WPATH. Such a shift does not resolve political disputes, the brief argues, but simply moves them to less transparent institutions. By granting power to these “expert” groups, courts risk turning them into tools for political agendas, which is exactly what has happened here.
Attorney General Marshall has played a critical role in the fight against the Biden-Harris administration’s push for irreversible sex-change procedures for minors, successfully defending Alabama’s law and leading briefs in support of other states’ laws. In January, the Eleventh Circuit cleared the way for Alabama’s Vulnerable Child Compassion and Protection Act to be enforced.
The brief and supporting materials are available here: https://www.alabamaag.gov/boe-v-marshall/.
The full brief can be viewed here.
https://www.alabamaag.gov/attorney-general-marshall-files-brief-supporting-tennessees-law-protecting-children-from-sex-change-procedures/
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Date: June 18th, 2025 10:52 AM Author: internet g0y
Before this Court, the United States asserted that “over-
whelming evidence” supports the use of puberty blockers
and cross-sex hormones for treating pediatric gender dys-
phoria, and that this view represents “the overwhelming
consensus of the medical community.” Pet. for Cert. 2, 7.
These claims are untenable. “[T]he concept of gender dys-
phoria as a medical condition is relatively new and the use
of drug treatments that change or modify a child’s sex char-
acteristics is even more recent.” 83 F. 4th, at 472. The
treatments at issue are subject to a rapidly evolving debate
that demonstrates a lack of medical consensus over their
risks and benefits. Under these conditions, it is imperative
that courts treat state legislation with “a strong presump-
tion of validity,” Beach Communications, 508 U. S., at 314,
and in turn protect States’ ability to enact “high-stakes
medical policies, in which compassion for the child points in both directions,” 83 F. 4th, at 472.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5739833&forum_id=2#49028055) |
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Date: June 18th, 2025 10:57 AM Author: internet g0y
This case carries a simple lesson: In politically conten-
tious debates over matters shrouded in scientific uncer-
tainty, courts should not assume that self-described experts
are correct.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5739833&forum_id=2#49028072) |
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Date: June 18th, 2025 11:03 AM
Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
the amicus brief by Alabama exposes what a sham the "expertise" of WPATH is.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/23/23-477/328275/20241015131826340_2024.10.15%20-%20Ala.%20Amicus%20Br.%20iso%20TN%20FINAL.pdf
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Date: June 18th, 2025 10:51 AM
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it was an interesting oral argument. Chase Strangio argued for the plaintiff.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5739833&forum_id=2#49028047)
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Date: June 18th, 2025 10:55 AM Author: internet g0y
Thomas - 'sex changes are just flat out wrong':
Setting aside whether sex-transition treatments for chil-
dren are effective, States may legitimately question
whether they are ethical. States have a legitimate interest
“in protecting the integrity and ethics of the medical profes-
sion.” Washington v. Glucksberg, 521 U. S. 702, 731 (1997).
And, as the United States has acknowledged, “the ‘general
ethical principles’ governing pediatric care” require the pa-
tient’s informed consent. Brief for United States 5. Mount-
ing evidence gives States reason to question whether chil-
dren are capable of providing informed consent to
irreversible sex-transition treatments, and thus whether
these treatments can be ethically administered.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5739833&forum_id=2#49028062) |
Date: June 18th, 2025 11:11 AM Author: internet g0y
Thomas with a great point: "do this or else they'll die is not legally effective for 'consent'"
Parents also may have difficulty providing informed consent to their
children’s sex-transition treatments. Reports suggest that, in medical
consultations, “[p]arents are routinely warned that to pursue any path
outside of agreeing with a child’s self-declared gender identity is to put a
gender dysphoric youth at risk for suicide, which feels to many people
like emotional blackmail.” Paul 2024, at 8; see also Eknes-Tucker v. Gov-
ernor of Ala., 114 F. 4th 1241, 1268 (CA11 2024) (Lagoa, J., concurring
in denial of rehearing en banc) (acknowledging “testimony from nine par-
ents who said that doctors, therapists, and other practitioners pressured
them to start their children on cross-sex hormones and puberty blockers
or otherwise circumvented their wishes”). States might reasonably ques-
tion whether, under such conditions, parents’ consent is valid and con-
sistent with ethical principles.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5739833&forum_id=2#49028105) |
Date: June 18th, 2025 11:18 AM Author: Diamond Dallas Trump
Sbarromayor, J:
"In sadness, I dissent."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5739833&forum_id=2#49028123) |
Date: June 18th, 2025 11:28 AM
Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
one of the more amusing things about the case was the amicus brief from "Yale Philosophers" who claimed special expertise.
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"Amici are professors of philosophy who are trained to identify flaws in arguments. Philosophers assess arguments in a variety of ways, but most relevant here is by examining the logical structure of arguments. This requires identifying the premises underlying arguments as well as the ways that arguments can attempt to hide those premises. This process is particularly useful in this case, because a central issue is whether Tennessee’s statute classifies on the basis of sex. Both sides submit competing explanations of how the statute operates with regard to sex, and dispute what level of abstraction the Court should use to assess the law. Amici submit this brief to assist the Court in analyzing the logical structure of Tennessee’s arguments on these points."
https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/23/23-477/323945/20240903152714071_Yale%20Philosophers%20Amici%20Brief.pdf
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5739833&forum_id=2#49028154) |
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Date: June 18th, 2025 11:41 AM Author: internet g0y
I can't believe this is a real brief filed in scotus. this is like a ted cruz tp and doobs debate on xo:
If a law
imposes the same burden on both sexes, the argument
goes, it does not classify on the basis of sex.6
Tennessee’s argument assumes the very conclu-
sion that it claims to show. To demonstrate that its
law treats minors “equally” on the basis of sex, Ten-
nessee offers—yet again—a characterization of its
law as imposing the “same” burden on both male and
female minors. Br. in Opp. 21 (“[B]oys and girls are
treated equally. Nobody under 18 in Tennessee can
obtain puberty blockers, hormones, or surgery for the
prohibited purposes.”).
In philosophical analysis, this move is called ques-
tion-begging. “Begging the question” (petitio princi-
pii) is perhaps the best-known fallacy. Begging the
question occurs when an argument assumes the truth
of its conclusion.7 An argument that begs the ques-
tion rests on faulty reasoning because its premises
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5739833&forum_id=2#49028179) |
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Date: June 18th, 2025 11:44 AM Author: internet g0y
These idiots don't understand what discrimination on the basis of sex even means:
Tennessee’s argument similarly presupposes,
without argument, that male and female minors are
not legally entitled to the same medical interventions:
Male minors can be legally prohibited from feminizing
interventions or those that slow masculinization, and
female minors can be legally prohibited from mascu-
linizing interventions or those that slow feminization,
because they each are, respectively “sex-inconsistent”
interventions.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5739833&forum_id=2#49028187) |
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Date: June 18th, 2025 11:44 AM
Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
btw, the Yale Philosophers brief claims that once their expertise is applied to TN's argument, the TN position is exposed as being identical to the losing arguments in Loving v. Virginia. not flame.
at the oral argument, KBJ floated the idea that TN's position was like Loving v. Virginia and counsel for plaintiffs were like, "uh, yeah, i guess."
i assume that KBJ got that stupid argument from the Yale Philosphers.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5739833&forum_id=2#49028188) |
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Date: June 18th, 2025 1:17 PM
Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5739833&forum_id=2#49028578) |
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Date: June 18th, 2025 1:45 PM
Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
you'd have to read the Yales Philosopher™️ brief. i can't replicate the logic, as hard as i may try to.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5739833&forum_id=2#49028690) |
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Date: June 18th, 2025 2:48 PM
Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
"In philosophical analysis, this move is called ..."
i particularly hate this move of using "this move" in philosophy discourse.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5739833&forum_id=2#49028935) |
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Date: June 18th, 2025 3:53 PM
Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Date: June 18th, 2025 11:50 AM Author: Metal Up Your Ass
Lies feed your judgement of others
Behold how the blind lead each other
The philosopher
You know so much about nothing at all
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Date: June 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: .;:..;:.;.:.;.,,,..,.:,.;....;,;;;..;,..,,.,,....,
The three liberal justices - Sonia Sotomayor, Elena Kagan and Ketanji Brown Jackson, dissented from the ruling.
Sotomayor, who wrote the dissent and also read it from the bench to emphasise her strong disagreement, wrote that the ban does lead to "medical discrimination on the basis of sex" and that in its ruling "the Court abandons transgender children and their families to political whims".
"[The Court] authorizes, without second thought, untold harm to transgender children and the parents and families who love them," Sotomayor wrote.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5739833&forum_id=2#49028592) |
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Date: June 18th, 2025 1:22 PM
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"abandons transgender children and their families to political whims".
so true.
wait, which side is Soto talking about there?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5739833&forum_id=2#49028597) |
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Date: June 18th, 2025 2:46 PM
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Date: June 18th, 2025 2:58 PM
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the sad thing is that we've been through this before and we did it again, but this time on a massive scale. Johns Hopkins learned from its initial mistake but then caved to peer pressure and jumped right back in.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5739833&forum_id=2#49028974) |
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Date: June 18th, 2025 2:48 PM
Author: Brussels Sprout: Brussels,Helsinki,Stockholm,Kyiv
LGBTQ Americans are hereby lawfully discriminated against, in spite of the clear meaning of the 14th Amendment of the Constitution:
No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5739833&forum_id=2#49028934)
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Date: June 18th, 2025 3:05 PM
Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
but the US is an incredible outlier on that form of health care. should we just assume that the rest of the world is wrong?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5739833&forum_id=2#49028994) |
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