Trumpmo father of GA school shooter arrested, charge w/ 4 counts of manslaughter
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Date: September 5th, 2024 7:54 PM Author: exhilarant chartreuse office
Time to start holding these rightwing gun nuts accountable for their horrendous crimes
https://x.com/cnnbrk/status/1831840433380454607?s=46
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Date: September 5th, 2024 7:58 PM Author: exhilarant chartreuse office
Crim bros explain:
4 counts of involuntary manslaughter
2 counts of second degree murder
There were four dead total
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:05 PM Author: exhilarant chartreuse office
You can’t give a gun to a kid like this and stay out of jail when he murders four people:
A Discord account that the FBI had linked to school shooting suspect Colt Gray last year referenced plans for a future mass shooting and shared screenshots of firearms, according to documents obtained by CNN.
“im committing a mass shooting and im waiting a good 2-3 years,” stated the Discord account user, according to screenshots included in an FBI incident report from May 2023 obtained by CNN. “I cant kill myself yet, cause I’m not contributing anything to culture I need to go out knowing I did.”
The account referenced Adam Lanza, the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooter, and in separate posts shared a desire to target an elementary school and expressed frustration with the acceptance of transgender people.
Above a photograph of two firearms, the account posted, “I’m ready.”
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Date: September 5th, 2024 8:32 PM Author: ebony senate
I read somewhere that fbi or some other agency talked to the dad last year after kid was caught making threats online, dad informed authorities he had guns at that time. Clearly didn’t get rid of them or take any action.
But is it a crime? Probably not
Is it irresponsible parenting? 100% yes. If you had a psycho child you wouldn’t get rid of your guns to remove the temptation?
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Date: September 5th, 2024 9:37 PM Author: bipolar twinkling property degenerate
Gun nut 2A supporter and wrongtime tlumpmo here.
Dad is guilty af and I hope he fries. Michigan set a great precedent. It's time to start holding parents accountable for their psychotic kids.
If the dad had locked the gun in a safe and the kid chainsawed it out of there then ya no charges but this is extremely basic to understand. Dad knew the kid was crazy and threatening violence, gave him a weapon. People died. Go directly to jail. I don't care what the charge is, it's a felony. In the jury's hands now and no this is not some lib insanity this is criminal justice 101 fuck you all hank scorpio et all burn in hell this is a felony.
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Date: September 5th, 2024 11:00 PM Author: Vigorous chrome piazza half-breed
The only thing that gives me pause here is that the Dad hunted and fired guns WITH the kid.
It just seems hard to me to believe that one of these kids could be spending time with his Dad and do this
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Date: September 6th, 2024 1:30 PM Author: Lime kitchen deer antler
To be fair,
Literal Neo-Nazi + retired former POTUS of the NRA (I personally own 1000+ guns) here, and I think all white people should be held collectively responsible for this and we need to immediately repeal the 2nd Amendment and pass federal legislation outlawing private firearms ownership in America. It's the only just and fair thing to do IMO, just being real.
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Date: September 6th, 2024 6:18 PM Author: internet-worthy gas station
Colt Gray, an Apalachee student, has been charged as an adult with four counts of murder.
Prosecutors have also charged the father, who faces up to 180 years in prison if convicted of involuntary manslaughter, two counts of second-degree murder and eight counts of cruelty to children. They allege he provided the weapon to his son.
In bringing charges against the father of the accused shooter, prosecutors are implementing an emerging legal approach as the United States grapples with mass gun violence in schools. It is steadily winning support from some survivor groups and state authorities, but critics say the tactic risks prosecutorial overreach and may do little to deter shootings.
In that instance, Jennifer and James Crumbley, parents of Ethan Crumbley, who in 2021 shot and killed four classmates at Oxford High School, were sentenced to 10 to 15 years in prison after being convicted for manslaughter. The jury found them guilty of not securing guns in their home and of ignoring warning signs that their son was mentally disturbed.
Karen McDonald, the Michigan prosecutor who put the Crumbley parents on trial, said she hopes high-profile cases like that against Colin Gray in Georgia serve as a wake-up call to gun owners that they need to secure their weapons in the home.
"In the Crumbley case, as well as in this case, parents are not being charged for their child's crimes," said Carey. "The parents are being punished for their own criminal misconduct of enabling this violence to occur."
"But this does nothing," she said. "This does nothing to stop school shootings, as egregious as they are. It's a way for police to say they're doing something."
Investigators have yet to comment on what may have motivated the first U.S. campus mass shooting since the start of the school year.
Both of the Grays were interviewed in May 2023 by officials in a neighboring county in connection with online threats about carrying out a school shooting made on the gaming social media platform Discord, according to investigators.
tldr: this is pure overreactive liberal (probably) scum theory in action
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Date: September 7th, 2024 7:26 AM Author: flesh brethren windowlicker
nice try with your far left disinformation, redditard
Shooter was a confirmed tranny. This blood is on the left's hands. piece of shit.
https://x.com/MattWallace888/status/1832118332994007173
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Date: September 7th, 2024 7:43 AM Author: soul-stirring hall
i'm not a lib, but also not a gun nut. i can see why there is a divide on the issue of the dad being charged. there's a fair amount of gray area. i think criminal charges are appropriate, but murder is a reach and i think that has no chance.
for those of you who do not support the criminal charges of any kind for the father, be advised that sealclubber agrees with you.
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Date: September 7th, 2024 1:43 PM Author: Bistre cruise ship
Prof Robert Leider, of GMU
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On Wednesday, an all-too-familiar tragic scene played out, when a student at a Georgia high school opened fire on his teachers and classmates. The student killed four and injured nine others with a semiautomatic rifle. He stands charged with murder. But police also promptly arrested his father and charged him with four counts of involuntary manslaughter and eight counts of cruelty to children. Police have alleged that the father "knowingly allowed him to possess" the rifle. Although police have not released the full details of the case against the father, this case has the potential to drastically expand criminal liability against parents for the criminal acts of their children.
The law traditionally has not imposed a general duty upon parents to protect third parties against the criminal acts of their children. And for good reasons. Parents are not in a position to control their children's behavior at all times. Although parents may choose to have children, they do not choose the children that they get. Unlike the employer-employee relationship, parents cannot terminate a child who exhibits problematic behavior.
But there are some exceptions where parents may violate duties of their own. A parent can become liable when he fails to exercise control over the child and the child's wrongful act is reasonably foreseeable. Even here, however, courts (usually in the tort context—criminal cases are rare) have imposed a strict standard for what qualifies as reasonably foreseeable. To quote the Alaska Supreme Court:
A plaintiff must show more than a parent's general notice of a child's dangerous propensity. A plaintiff must also show that the parent had reason to know with some specificity of a present opportunity and need to restrain the child to prevent some imminently foreseeable harm.
Dinsmore-Poff v. Alvord, 972, P.2d 978, 986 (Alaska 1999).
Other courts have formulated similarly stringent tests. See, e.g., Wells v. Hickman, 657 N.E.2d 172, 178 (Ind. 1995) ("Imposition of a duty is limited to those circumstances where a reasonably foreseeable victim is injured by a reasonably foreseeable harm.… Specifically, the parent must know or should have known that the child had a habit of engaging in the particular act or course of conduct which led to the plaintiff's injury.") (citing Parsons v. Smithey, 504 P.2d 1272, 1276 (Ariz. 1973) ("On the subject of parental liability for failure to control children, it appears that the parents must have knowledge of the child's habitual conduct manifested by evidence of prior acts which are the same or similar to the act complained of.")).
In the Georgia case, liability would depend on what precisely the parents knew. It has been reported that the FBI previously interviewed the school shooter because of online threats. Certainly, if the parents were aware that the teenager represented a credible danger to the school, they would have had the obligation to control him, including (most obviously) by not supplying the child with a rifle. But reports indicate that the child denied making the threats and the FBI could not find probable cause (a very low evidentiary standard) that he did so. It is doubtful that one unsubstantiated allegation months earlier that a child made threats would place parents on notice that a child may be violent now.
With respect to the publicly known facts, the lack of specificity separates this case from the Michigan cases of Jennifer and James Crumbley, to which it has been compared. In the Michigan case, the Crumbleys were convicted of involuntary manslaughter for supplying a handgun to their child while ignoring his mental health problems. The child later used the handgun in a school shooting to murder four students and wound six others.
But the Crumbleys were on extensive notice that their son was troubled and potentially an immediate danger. Indeed, the Crumbleys met with school officials on the morning of the shooting in response to artwork by their son depicting violence and pleading for help. Yet, they did nothing to alert school officials about his possible access to a weapon, nor did they check to make sure their firearm was still in their possession. They simply left him at school. (Their case remains on appeal. Given how high the standard is for parental liability, they have a reasonable chance to succeed.)
Of course, police have not released all their evidence, and they are still investigating. When more evidence comes to light, prosecutors may have substantial other evidence that the Georgia parents were on specific notice of the danger.
As of now, however, the director of the Georgia Bureau of Investigation has framed the case as one of a parent "knowingly allowing his son to possess a weapon." But another major difference between the Georgia case and the Michigan case is that the Georgia case involved a rifle while the Michigan case involved a handgun. The differences in weapons matter legally. Because handguns are more susceptible of criminal misuse, federal and state laws more tightly regulate the possession of a handgun by a minor. In general, it is unlawful for a minor to possess a handgun. There are exceptions (e.g., target shooting and hunting), but many states additionally require that, even then, adults directly supervise minors. In contrast, federal law does not prohibit minors from possessing rifles and shotguns, nor do many states (including Georgia). Unlike with handguns, it is more common to permit minors unsupervised access to rifles and shotguns for hunting and target shooting.
Granted, this case involved an AR-15 type rifle. A few jurisdictions (e.g., Virginia) separate some semiautomatic rifles (designated as "assault weapons" or "assault firearms") and restrict juvenile possession in the same manner as handguns. But most states treat rifles and shotguns as a class, and do not separate rifles by type. Georgia is among them.
It is also unclear exactly how the Georgia child gained access to the firearm. A parent can also be liable for the acts of his child if he negligently entrusts a dangerous instrumentality to his child. The particular facts will likely be highly significant. Did the parent in this case consent to his son having possession of the rifle? Or did the child take the rifle without permission?
At the end of the day, however, it is not clear whether these legal technicalities will matter. We may be witnessing a development in the law of parental responsibility. Although school shootings and mass shootings are rare (they make up a small fraction of all homicides), they terrify the population far more than ordinary street violence. Americans may have had enough, and they may want the law to develop in a direction to impose a more substantial duty on parents to keep firearms away from minors. Guns are not the only dangerous instrumentality to which minors have access; cars cause thousands of deaths each year, too. If the law evolves, it remains to be seen whether it will be a "gun exception" to normal rules of parental responsibility or whether the law will impose stronger duties on parents in other domains as well.
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