Been reading about the Civil War-- Southern politicos kinds fucked up
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Date: February 7th, 2025 4:07 PM Author: Bob Stinson
I learned about the US Civil War back in high school and haven't thought about it since, so I picked up a few books.
The big political issue prior to the war seems to have been whether the Feds could limit slavery in the US territories. Dred Scott. But if you secede you have no control over those territories anyway. And it is not likely you have the manpower or energy to get new territory of your own.
Secede and common sense should tell you your "nation" will be a pariah in the civilized world. There is no way that the leaders of the South thought they could keep slavery going forever. Or even another 50 years.
You secede and your economic base is almost entirely agrarian. Eventually poor whites would come to their senses and see that slavery didn't much benefit them.
Secede and eventually you have to worry about black breeding to the point where a slave revolt would be a legit possibility. BANG! you are now Haiti.
It is almost sad, the slaveowners had this bastardized form of an aristocratic society that they were desperately trying to hold onto, but it was destined to fail even without the US deciding to force you back into the Union.
Best bet was to ride it out in the US as long as you can. Lincoln never said he was going to abolish slavery in the South-- the idea was it shouldn't spread and it would wither and die (which it would have).
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Date: February 7th, 2025 4:44 PM
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Date: February 7th, 2025 4:44 PM
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what is your recommended bibliography on the Civil War?
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Date: February 7th, 2025 4:56 PM
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the standard one-volume history is James McPherson's "Battle Cry of Freedom." bios of Lincoln, Grant, and Lee are essential too.
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Date: February 7th, 2025 4:51 PM Author: white poet warlord (gunneratttt)
"The big political issue prior to the war seems to have been whether the Feds could limit slavery in the US territories. Dred Scott. But if you secede you have no control over those territories anyway. And it is not likely you have the manpower or energy to get new territory of your own."
obviously the feds could limit slavery in the territories, that's why when free states were admitted people didn't say "you can't do that!" it was about how the feds disfavoring and limiting slavery would eventually lead to slaveowners having their slaves taken. which is exactly what happened, proving the south was right to be fear it.
the issue gets muddied because of the obvious humanitarian concerns. but it's really no different than oilmen seeing the writing on the wall for renewables or whatever (insert whatever analogy you want here). the south, accurately, saw the writing on the wall that their property would be seized and their way of life destroyed.
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Date: February 7th, 2025 5:08 PM Author: white poet warlord (gunneratttt)
hindsight is 20/20. their way of life was at risk and they fought to defend it. they had no way to know that slavery, an institution that had existed since the beginning of time, would cease to exist for the most part.
no law is eternal. the fight over slavery in the territories was just a bellwether. if the south could have been permanently assured "we won't take your slaves ever" they wouldn't have rebelled.
the best analog today is illegal immigration. the real fight is about whether we'll still permit people to employ illegal aliens working for illegal wages. the fight over the border is like the territories: will we *continue* to tolerate this going forward? the people who profit from illegal labor might be wise to compromise to shut down the border but go easy on deportations. but all that does is delay the inevitable. same thing with the south. the southern elite were all set for the next few decades, they didn't have to worry about themselves. they were worried about the future. and, considering we did abolish slavery and carpetbag the south, they seemed to have been right to be worried.
if the north didn't want to abolish slavery in the southern states, then why did they do just that with the post-civil war amendments?
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Date: February 7th, 2025 5:19 PM Author: Idris "Thoughts & Tariffs" Elba
"they had no way to know that slavery, an institution that had existed since the beginning of time, would cease to exist for the most part. "
You mean besides the fact that Great Britain and France had outlawed the practice decades before???
"if the north didn't want to abolish slavery in the southern states, then why did they do just that with the post-civil war amendments?"
Because the South lost the right to negotiate shit after they engaged in treason. They could've held onto slavery for a few more years had they not stepped on their own dicks and thought they could run their own country with a SHIT, PURE SHIT economic system.
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Date: February 7th, 2025 7:38 PM
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Take this shit back to reddit.
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