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So, there are actually lawyers working full time for < $100K ?
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Date: May 21st, 2013 3:05 PM Author: Appetizing haunting ticket booth newt Doesn't seem right. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2262134&forum_id=2#23242808) |
Date: May 21st, 2013 3:07 PM Author: 180 church building In my ARE COUNTRY area, lawyers almost never break 80K. True, 80K in ARE COUNTRY is good, but people on xo really underestimate the impact of inflation and cost of special goods. A truck in Nebraska isn't that much cheaper than one in NYC. COL is overblown. Still can't retire. Shitty/no 401Ks. Health insurance sucks and health costs are higher. College tuition is the same.
Also significantly limits mobility. Can go from urban to ARE COUNTRY because the $ goes further. Not the reverse.
Sad thing is, they will start a lawyer at like 35K and that lawyer is expected to be SO FUCKING HAPPY. You better work 8-7pm every day. |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 3:12 PM Author: Appetizing haunting ticket booth newt So, you are saying there are lawyers making 35K working 8-7?
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Date: May 21st, 2013 3:12 PM Author: 180 church building Yes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2262134&forum_id=2#23242839) |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 3:14 PM Author: silver piazza This happens even in big cities. Can't tell you how many shit 35-40k jobs I was offered before I finally got something 60k+. Buncha boomers were looking to pick up work on the cheap ITE. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2262134&forum_id=2#23242849) |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 3:15 PM Author: Appetizing haunting ticket booth newt That's insane. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2262134&forum_id=2#23242851) |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 3:17 PM Author: 180 church building Noticed that as well. I was offered several 40K gigs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2262134&forum_id=2#23242856) |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 3:24 PM Author: Appetizing haunting ticket booth newt Isn't 40K basically what most of the 47% who are living on government handouts get? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2262134&forum_id=2#23242882) |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 3:18 PM Author: Talented State Mother what are your credentials? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2262134&forum_id=2#23242860) |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 3:56 PM Author: silver piazza This was a few years ago. I was a ut/ucla/vandy grad with a 3.5+. It's a lot easier now that I have relevant experience and shit, plus the economy seems to have improved. I don't even want 9/10 of the jobs I would have killed to have a few years ago. Fuck billing 2k+ hours. Fuck that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2262134&forum_id=2#23243000) |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 3:58 PM Author: Appetizing haunting ticket booth newt Those are solid schools though. UT places great in IP. And vandy is an ivy league school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2262134&forum_id=2#23243011) |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 4:03 PM Author: razzle theater Vandy isn't Ivy League. Solid school though. By XO standards, it's a TTT. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2262134&forum_id=2#23243027) |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 8:51 PM Author: chrome blathering national (fucking idiot) just lol at this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2262134&forum_id=2#23244504) |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 3:18 PM Author: Puce Narrow-minded Casino I never got the make $60 as a lawyer and live in a low COL city.
How about make $200K for a few years, then if you want move to a low COL city and country and take the same $60K job, or fuck it, dont work at all or become a mountain man.
Once you save several hundred thousand dollars, it becomes more realistic to be able to actually say fuck it all and move to SE asia and live on the beach for $20K a year for the rest of your life.
That said, 5+ years in a big firm will poison your mind such that the money is never enough and you will be incapable of walking away to relax on the beach. Instead you will spend the money on the new condo/tesla. |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 3:21 PM Author: racy idea he suggested step-uncle's house Yes, because everybody is *choosing* to make less money and are turning down biglaw jobs left and right ITE. Suck a dick. Most of your success is because of the circumstances around you. You are lucky that you graduated when you did. Also be thankful you werent born in some piss poor country. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2262134&forum_id=2#23242866) |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 3:27 PM Author: Puce Narrow-minded Casino I am talking about people who bitch about biglaw and leave after 6 months like many seem to do or wish they could do on here. If you cant get biglaw, well that sucks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2262134&forum_id=2#23242900) |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 3:21 PM Author: Talented State Mother i love how biglawyers pretend that biglaw transformed them into the money grubbing misanthropes that they become. No -- you were always obsessed with money or you wouldn't have gone into biglaw. only now you actually make it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2262134&forum_id=2#23242870) |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 3:25 PM Author: racy idea he suggested step-uncle's house lol at ARE profession. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2262134&forum_id=2#23242886) |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 3:26 PM Author: Puce Narrow-minded Casino right all those lawyers prefer working in shitlaw for $60K.
few people go to law school with the idea of working for some non profit or the government, and fewer graduate with the same idea. |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 3:31 PM Author: Talented State Mother you seem to be agreeing with my criticism of your post (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2262134&forum_id=2#23242926) |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 3:33 PM Author: Puce Narrow-minded Casino except that only 15% of lawyers make biglaw and the rest pretend they arent money grubbing misanthropes.
We all love money, but being accustomed to having it makes it harder to walk away. |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 3:41 PM Author: Appetizing haunting ticket booth newt except that only 15% of lawyers make biglaw
(citation needed) |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 3:45 PM Author: racy idea he suggested step-uncle's house Lol, it might not even be 15% of the 1/2 of lawyers who get lawyer jobs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2262134&forum_id=2#23242964) |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 5:18 PM Author: Talented State Mother you can't walk away from money when you aren't making it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2262134&forum_id=2#23243350) |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 3:58 PM Author: silver piazza That's true, but after tasting soul crushing biglaw a lot of people realize they would prefer to make less and have a life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2262134&forum_id=2#23243006) |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 4:03 PM Author: Puce Narrow-minded Casino then they go into shitlaw and make 1/3 as much and stil barely have a life. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2262134&forum_id=2#23243026) |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 5:29 PM Author: racy idea he suggested step-uncle's house Lol at this profession. Even when you *win* you are still a lawyer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2262134&forum_id=2#23243395) |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 5:52 PM Author: Concupiscible zombie-like alpha field Wow...that really resonates, brother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2262134&forum_id=2#23243512) |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 8:53 PM Author: chrome blathering national soo.. uh.. what should we do then? Open to suggestions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2262134&forum_id=2#23244509) |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 3:48 PM Author: coral curious hell simply not true in all cases getting a taste of it changes people the allure of saving whales dissipates once you are able to pay someone to take you out to them, let you swim with them for a while, and then take you back to your bmw x5 so you can go back to your nice suburban residence |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 5:44 PM Author: laughsome chad *fidgets at the uncomfortable truth* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2262134&forum_id=2#23243463) |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 3:23 PM Author: Appetizing haunting ticket booth newt Or you spend money on the stew ingredients. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2262134&forum_id=2#23242879) |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 3:25 PM Author: razzle theater I experienced this sticker shock after moving back home. After talking to a couple of local attorneys that offered me jobs at $50k, I politely said "no thank you!" That same week I had offers from banks that started at 75K, an accounting firm that offered 70K and a shitty oilfield company that I would make nearly 100k as a roustabout. I chose the roustabout job working with convicted felons, drug addicted morons and high school dropouts. All made significantly more than any of the lawyer jobs. Best decision of my life. The roustabout job was a lot of fun and got me active. It was easy to shine when I was surrounded by idiots. It also lead to my current cushy "company" job. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2262134&forum_id=2#23242889) |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 3:29 PM Author: aggressive dilemma tattoo what is a roustabout? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2262134&forum_id=2#23242909) |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 3:33 PM Author: razzle theater A general oilfield worker that does shitwork. Bolting up piping spools, cleaning tanks and vessels, or assembling pneumatic tubing usually. Also fixed a lot of doors and whatnot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2262134&forum_id=2#23242937) |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 3:41 PM Author: Appetizing haunting ticket booth newt So guys who pipe spools, clean tanks, and fix doors make triple what lawyers make? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2262134&forum_id=2#23242955) |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 3:51 PM Author: razzle theater Depends on what the lawyer makes, but yes. And that's only working half the year on a week on/week off schedule. If I wanted to work more, I could have made more. I think my first year I made about 85k because I didn't want to work a 3 week on/1 week off schedule all the time.
To be fair, not everyone made that much. The shitty workers were laid off for a few months around Christmas because there wasn't a lot of work. But the good workers stayed busy and had all the hours they wanted. I think I started off at $24/hr. So, I had quite a few 16 hour days and I did work a few 3 week hitches. The 16 hour days weren't like working in a law office though (OBVS), they were a lot more fun because you were busy and you could actually see the results of your labors. |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 4:58 PM Author: spectacular angry toilet seat haunted graveyard Lol wtf brother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2262134&forum_id=2#23243274) |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 4:59 PM Author: razzle theater ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2262134&forum_id=2#23243276) |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 5:01 PM Author: Puce Narrow-minded Casino $85K making $24 per hour is a lot of work. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2262134&forum_id=2#23243287) |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 5:03 PM Author: razzle theater TBF, a lot of that time is sitting around in a truck, smoke shack, or break room waiting on other people to finish up.
Also, that was THE entry level job. It doesn't get much lower on the totem pole than roustabout, and it was still much more fulfilling than sitting in any office. |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 5:06 PM Author: Puce Narrow-minded Casino dont you get phsycially exhausted and inured doing manual labor for 12+ hours a day. Even if you are only doing something half that time?
Did you get time and a half or double overtime or what that straight up $24/hr? |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 5:11 PM Author: razzle theater No. Nothing is exhausting. Frontend loaders and cranes, comealongs, and chainfalls do all the heavy lifting. I don't think I ever had a day that I was exhausted.
OT paid at time and a half. |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 5:17 PM Author: Deep Buff Legal Warrant Locale http://www.msnbc.msn.com-april.us/id/?Article87524 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2262134&forum_id=2#23243343) |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 5:23 PM Author: razzle theater Yeah... each roustabout job is different. The job prospects are bad because hardly any of them can pass a piss test. I am pretty sure Alaska pays the best. I honestly think Lawyer should have been at the top of the WORST list. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2262134&forum_id=2#23243369) |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 5:46 PM Author: laughsome chad Just do 16hrs of manual labor for 3 weeks at a time, nbd.
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Date: May 21st, 2013 5:49 PM Author: razzle theater Like I said, that was the entry level position. Now, I make 160-180k/yr, doing virtually no manual labor, sitting in an air conditioned office, LOLing at lawyers. I have a 7% 401K match AND an awesome pension. Oh yeah, I work LESS than HALF a year. I get a two week vacation, every two weeks...
/trolling that assume MOST lawyers don't make less than 100k. |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 3:29 PM Author: aphrodisiac useless generalized bond great illustration of supply and demand (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2262134&forum_id=2#23242914) |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 3:32 PM Author: racy idea he suggested step-uncle's house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2262134&forum_id=2#23242929) |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 5:18 PM Author: Coiffed parlor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2262134&forum_id=2#23243348) |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 3:30 PM Author: Appetizing haunting ticket booth newt What's a roustabout?
Edit: Also, LOL at lawyers. |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 3:32 PM Author: racy idea he suggested step-uncle's house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2262134&forum_id=2#23242930) |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 3:50 PM Author: Motley parlour LOL, just another blue collar roughneck posting on xo in the middle of the afternoon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2262134&forum_id=2#23242977) |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 3:52 PM Author: razzle theater Yeah... my current job involves sitting on my ass in front of the computer 12 hours a day playing on the internet 99% of the time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2262134&forum_id=2#23242982) |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 3:53 PM Author: Motley parlour (aspiring toolpusher) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2262134&forum_id=2#23242986) |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 3:54 PM Author: razzle theater LOL. I'm not a roughneck. I work in an oil processing facility. All indoors and barely any manual labor. Those roughnecks are a rough looking bunch. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2262134&forum_id=2#23242990) |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 3:55 PM Author: Appetizing haunting ticket booth newt According to the above, you used to clean tanks for a living. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2262134&forum_id=2#23242996) |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 3:57 PM Author: razzle theater Right. That was my first job in the oilfields. I've still never worked on an actual rig. I've been on platforms and seen the roughnecks working a lot though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2262134&forum_id=2#23243003) |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 5:07 PM Author: coral curious hell how much shit did you have to breathe in? lower your life expectancy do you think? you made the right decision unless you think you're gonna die 2 decades earlier |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 5:28 PM Author: razzle theater Hardly anything. If we had to clean a vessel, we were alway son supplied air in full tyvek suits. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2262134&forum_id=2#23243389) |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 6:22 PM Author: coral curious hell lucky bastard. the people i know who have done the oil rig thing make bank, but have to go through life-shortening exposure before they get the cush jobs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2262134&forum_id=2#23243657) |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 6:29 PM Author: razzle theater Yeah. I know they do things differently all over, but Environmental and Safety are huge up here. Nothing is done without getting Safety and Environmental to review the procedure. Especially if a confined space is involved.
NOTE: Lawyers who hate their lives.
It wouldn't be that difficult to segway a legal career into an Environmental or Safety position. Usually they are in the same department and these guys do no work. They just ensure jobs are done right and safely with no environmental impact. A lot of this is just knowing the regs. But, these guys do a mixture of compliance and in field work and make about 150k up here. |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 5:17 PM Author: aqua mildly autistic center Some of us just love the grind. You can't put a price on the intellectual stimulation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2262134&forum_id=2#23243340) |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 5:27 PM Author: Titillating native pistol REMINDER to biglaw know-nothings who think they are making real money while looking at documents: your clients make real money. You make shit and work much harder for it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2262134&forum_id=2#23243384) |
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Date: May 21st, 2013 8:48 PM Author: pearly locus about 90% of starting lawyers do, yes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2262134&forum_id=2#23244494) |