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Looking for some advice on going solo as a non-litigator....

This is my first time posting since law school, or shortly t...
Talented Death Wish Gay Wizard
  01/22/25
You'll get in everywhere you apply
Bearded Mediation Hell
  01/22/25
...
pearly odious brunch
  01/22/25
PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE / SKILLS: Broadly speaking, two-pronged...
Talented Death Wish Gay Wizard
  01/22/25
BROAD PLAN FOR GOING SOLO: It's not clear to me whether ...
Talented Death Wish Gay Wizard
  01/22/25
Someone shoot this faggot
primrose sick windowlicker police squad
  01/22/25
Lmao
idiotic digit ratio new version
  01/22/25
IN his mouth, preferably.
impressive property
  01/22/25
SPECIFIC QUESTIONS: (1) Is my plan broadly realistic? I don...
Talented Death Wish Gay Wizard
  01/22/25
Take this for what its worth, since rural Texas has fuck all...
Awkward sticky crotch
  01/22/25
"As long as you have the savings to go 1-3 years making...
Talented Death Wish Gay Wizard
  01/22/25
1) Not really, most people go solo with at least one client ...
territorial athletic conference
  01/22/25
I think it sounds like a good plan.
vigorous senate
  01/22/25
just embezzle the family funds u stupid bagel nigga
Flatulent Crusty Location
  01/22/25
RELATED QUESTION: What would you guess my comp is currently?...
Talented Death Wish Gay Wizard
  01/22/25
$490k using TMFAAP measures
Pearl selfie mad-dog skullcap
  01/22/25
Family office? It sounds like you're over compensated based...
territorial athletic conference
  01/22/25
What’s the deal re your aversion to litigation? Get a ...
onyx heady gaming laptop organic girlfriend
  01/22/25
examples of good practice guides?
sepia pit
  01/22/25
The ones you read. Read the whole thing. I have a buddy at t...
onyx heady gaming laptop organic girlfriend
  01/22/25
...
Pearl selfie mad-dog skullcap
  01/22/25
"What’s the deal re your aversion to litigation?&...
Talented Death Wish Gay Wizard
  01/22/25
Sounds like you’re all set as long as you have some mo...
onyx heady gaming laptop organic girlfriend
  01/22/25
This is incredibly muddled thinking.
territorial athletic conference
  01/22/25
How so? In the sense that I'm rationalizing an irrational av...
Talented Death Wish Gay Wizard
  01/27/25
You have no experience with litigation, your clients are sop...
territorial athletic conference
  01/27/25
Who trained you to do all this work?
zombie-like lay
  01/22/25
No one. I figured it all out along the way.
Talented Death Wish Gay Wizard
  01/27/25
Bumping in hopes of getting more input or advice.
Talented Death Wish Gay Wizard
  01/27/25


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Date: January 22nd, 2025 1:44 PM
Author: Talented Death Wish Gay Wizard

This is my first time posting since law school, or shortly thereafter. I got good advice here back then and am hoping to get some more now.

I'm breaking this down into multiple posts because I got logged out and lost my entire post earlier when I tried to make this thread.

BACKGROUND: Graduated middle of class from T14 and struck out in OCI (for any good firms at least) during ITE. Used family connections to get hired in-house at a family office. Worked my way up to GC-equivalent position at the family office, and have had that role for 5+ years now. My legal department is small, 3 people total. I'm located in NYC/SF/LA/Chi. I have a wife and kids. Wife works and makes around $100k / year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5668105&forum_id=2#48578255)



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Date: January 22nd, 2025 1:45 PM
Author: Bearded Mediation Hell

You'll get in everywhere you apply

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Date: January 22nd, 2025 2:06 PM
Author: pearly odious brunch



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Date: January 22nd, 2025 1:45 PM
Author: Talented Death Wish Gay Wizard

PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE / SKILLS: Broadly speaking, two-pronged as follows:

(1) Real Estate: Since I started here, the family office has grown a real estate portfolio from ~$100 MM to ~$1 Bil. For the past 7+ years I've effectively handled all of the legal work for all transactions and financings, along with the non-litigation legal work for the management of the real estate portfolio generally -- all without ever needing to bring on outside counsel.

(2) General Corporate / Outside GC: The bulk of the rest of my time is acting as outside GC to a handful of smaller companies in the tech space that are either wholly owned by the family office, or for which the family office is the primary shareholder. They all operate in two very separate and very different niches of the tech space. For all but one of these, I was involved pretty much from the get-go. For all, I handle all of their legal needs, other than litigation. For scale / scope, total EBITDA for all combined is around $25MM.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5668105&forum_id=2#48578259)



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Date: January 22nd, 2025 1:54 PM
Author: Talented Death Wish Gay Wizard

BROAD PLAN FOR GOING SOLO:

It's not clear to me whether it's a good or bad thing that I've effectively been working in and gaining experience two different areas of law (real estate and general corporate in the tech space).

At first, I would try to build a practice doing both real estate transactions and general corporate / transactional work for smaller companies in the tech space. My assumption is that, over time, I will end up focusing on one of those two. Given that I have essentially no experience whatsoever litigating, I would plan on not doing any litigation.

I will need to start from scratch bringing on clients. If I go solo, there's a zero-percent chance the family office would be willing to hire me on an hourly basis (or let their portfolio companies do the same). It would be great to get the ball rolling, but that won't be an option.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5668105&forum_id=2#48578287)



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Date: January 22nd, 2025 1:57 PM
Author: primrose sick windowlicker police squad

Someone shoot this faggot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5668105&forum_id=2#48578302)



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Date: January 22nd, 2025 1:59 PM
Author: idiotic digit ratio new version

Lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5668105&forum_id=2#48578307)



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Date: January 22nd, 2025 9:20 PM
Author: impressive property

IN his mouth, preferably.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5668105&forum_id=2#48579941)



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Date: January 22nd, 2025 2:02 PM
Author: Talented Death Wish Gay Wizard

SPECIFIC QUESTIONS:

(1) Is my plan broadly realistic? I don't have much of a reputation outside of the people I've done deals with directly or worked with directly. My current network is small given my overall level of experience. So I would likely need to develop mostly brand new relationships to bring on clients.

(2) What should my hourly rate be -- both on the real estate side, and the general corporate side?

(3) My target net income for my first year solo would be $200k. Is that realistic?

(4) How much harder will this be given that I don't plan on doing any litigation?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5668105&forum_id=2#48578319)



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Date: January 22nd, 2025 2:07 PM
Author: Awkward sticky crotch

Take this for what its worth, since rural Texas has fuck all to do with big city stuff, but I'll give you my 2 cents.

As long as you have the savings to go 1-3 years making far, far less, you're set there. Your biggest limitation is clients. I have no idea what your expectations are but I would guess you'll end up doing shit you hate at least for a little while to just get some work. Are you "networking" with other lawyers in your market in related fields. I would guess T&E lawyers would be a great source. Do you know other solos in your area?

As for rate/income no idea. I also went solo straight from law school so the first year was 30k but again, a town with a population under 4k isnt comparable.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5668105&forum_id=2#48578343)



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Date: January 22nd, 2025 2:29 PM
Author: Talented Death Wish Gay Wizard

"As long as you have the savings to go 1-3 years making far, far less, you're set there."

Thanks. For context, I have enough accessible-net worth to cover my / family expenses for roughly 10 years. So, in theory, I have a long runway. Although, in practice, it would probably be too stressful for my wife if I didn't get up to ~$200k / year in the first year or two.

"Are you "networking" with other lawyers in your market in related fields. [...] Do you know other solos in your area?"

No and no. I used to network a decent amount years ago, but at the moment I'm too busy to do anything other than work and spend time with my wife and kids when not working. I would increase networking leading up to going solo, and would be networking in-person on a near-daily basis when I go solo -- including a decent amount of traveling to conferences, etc. I don't know any solos in my area. The lawyers I work with are all Big Law or regional midlaw.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5668105&forum_id=2#48578449)



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Date: January 22nd, 2025 2:13 PM
Author: territorial athletic conference

1) Not really, most people go solo with at least one client who can pay to allow you to live, even as little as $2-3k/month would make your plan about a thousand times more viable. Having the client allows you to be working and new clients want to hire people who are working.

2) Entirely market dependent, but you should have almost no expenses outside of software as you do this (assuming home office), so charge a respectable rate. You don't want to go to0 low, just below whatever the prospective client is currently paying. You're gonna eat 80 percent of the fee because you have no overhead, compared to 30 percent when you're an associate. Ballpark, probably somewhere between $250 and $400 your first few years.

3) LMFAO

4) Easier, imho. There are a million clients who need 5-10 hours of attorney time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5668105&forum_id=2#48578379)



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Date: January 22nd, 2025 2:03 PM
Author: vigorous senate

I think it sounds like a good plan.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5668105&forum_id=2#48578324)



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Date: January 22nd, 2025 2:04 PM
Author: Flatulent Crusty Location

just embezzle the family funds u stupid bagel nigga

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5668105&forum_id=2#48578329)



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Date: January 22nd, 2025 2:08 PM
Author: Talented Death Wish Gay Wizard

RELATED QUESTION: What would you guess my comp is currently? (It's pretty clear I'm under-compensated, but I'm curious how much).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5668105&forum_id=2#48578350)



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Date: January 22nd, 2025 2:14 PM
Author: Pearl selfie mad-dog skullcap

$490k using TMFAAP measures

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5668105&forum_id=2#48578387)



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Date: January 22nd, 2025 2:15 PM
Author: territorial athletic conference

Family office? It sounds like you're over compensated based on your target comp for a solo. $225k plus small bonus.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5668105&forum_id=2#48578396)



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Date: January 22nd, 2025 3:09 PM
Author: onyx heady gaming laptop organic girlfriend

What’s the deal re your aversion to litigation? Get a practice guide or team up with a buddy and learn it.

Plan on making $0 for two years or so

Other than that most people are just afraid to try it. I had to restart my firm on a farm with zero clients as a solo after a really bad injury nearly killed me and left me temporarily paralyzed and I’m still going. Just fake it till you make it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5668105&forum_id=2#48578626)



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Date: January 22nd, 2025 3:15 PM
Author: sepia pit

examples of good practice guides?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5668105&forum_id=2#48578662)



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Date: January 22nd, 2025 3:20 PM
Author: onyx heady gaming laptop organic girlfriend

The ones you read. Read the whole thing. I have a buddy at the local law library who gives me last year’s westlaw books so I’ve got a pretty decent set of 2024 guides that hardly change year to year and cost thousands for free.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5668105&forum_id=2#48578693)



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Date: January 22nd, 2025 3:15 PM
Author: Pearl selfie mad-dog skullcap



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5668105&forum_id=2#48578664)



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Date: January 22nd, 2025 3:44 PM
Author: Talented Death Wish Gay Wizard

"What’s the deal re your aversion to litigation?"

(1) Other than managing outside counsel, I have no direct experience with litigation.

(2) My target clients are reasonably sophisticated parties that are largely not the type of clients you can "fake it til you make it" with. On the transactional side, I'm looking to provide Big Law quality work for 1/2 the price. I don't think I can realistically provide that with litigation.

(3) I've always thoroughly hated the litigation process. Although, admittedly, this is mostly because I feel "out of my element" in it. If I learned it well, and knew what I was doing, I might like it.

And, to be clear, unless or until I was reasonably busy, I would not turn down litigation work. It's more accurate to say that I would not be "selling" it as a primary service to potential clients.

One thing I do have lined up is relationships with boutique / smaller litigation firms to whom I would refer most litigation. The plan would be to have them do most of the real litigation work, with me leading things off pre-litigation and mostly turning over to them once things are filed. Even if I never litigate on my own, I would imagine a fair amount of the hours I bill would be in connection with litigation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5668105&forum_id=2#48578798)



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Date: January 22nd, 2025 4:20 PM
Author: onyx heady gaming laptop organic girlfriend

Sounds like you’re all set as long as you have some money saved up to get you going

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5668105&forum_id=2#48578933)



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Date: January 22nd, 2025 8:28 PM
Author: territorial athletic conference

This is incredibly muddled thinking.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5668105&forum_id=2#48579759)



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Date: January 27th, 2025 7:00 PM
Author: Talented Death Wish Gay Wizard

How so? In the sense that I'm rationalizing an irrational aversion to litigation? In the sense that my thoughts on litigation are not realistic? Other?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5668105&forum_id=2#48596135)



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Date: January 27th, 2025 7:40 PM
Author: territorial athletic conference

You have no experience with litigation, your clients are sophisticated consumers of legal services, and you’re going to do part time litigation. Just filing the claims.

It’d be a waste of your time and a huge malpractice risk. You’re way better off not doing any.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5668105&forum_id=2#48596271)



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Date: January 22nd, 2025 9:06 PM
Author: zombie-like lay

Who trained you to do all this work?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5668105&forum_id=2#48579905)



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Date: January 27th, 2025 7:15 PM
Author: Talented Death Wish Gay Wizard

No one. I figured it all out along the way.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5668105&forum_id=2#48596204)



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Date: January 27th, 2025 6:51 PM
Author: Talented Death Wish Gay Wizard

Bumping in hopes of getting more input or advice.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5668105&forum_id=2#48596092)