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charlatan Steve Pinker: 'right wing nationalists more threatening than woke left

..because ethnonationalists like Trump, Bolsanaro, and Boris...
chestnut unhinged native
  07/10/20
boomers are over
effete kitchen preventive strike
  07/10/20
He’s not wrong for now. The woke left is a growing p...
Maize Chad Parlor
  07/10/20
lol
fragrant ultramarine athletic conference deer antler
  07/10/20
cr. if anything is true it's how seamlessly Trump was able t...
arousing university
  07/10/20
Remember that Pinker just signed that freedom of speech lett...
Misanthropic violet office
  07/10/20
https://www.270towin.com/historical_maps/1984_large.png
chestnut unhinged native
  07/10/20
Industrial Society and Its Future should be required reading...
arousing university
  07/10/20
If I were in charge, it would be required reading for every ...
Misanthropic violet office
  07/10/20
This is interesting but I feel like you could replace leftis...
Maize Chad Parlor
  07/10/20
No, you could replace leftism with any other TOTALITARIAN id...
Misanthropic violet office
  07/10/20
...
arousing university
  07/10/20
but you are underestimating the number of people who vote De...
chestnut unhinged native
  07/10/20
Read 223 again
Misanthropic violet office
  07/10/20
i mean, isn't that exactly what he's saying? >> It'...
arousing university
  07/10/20
he is talking about actual committed 'leftists', and i am p...
chestnut unhinged native
  07/10/20
btw lawman is leaving out paragraph 230 which is also import...
arousing university
  07/10/20
"And the general character of a movement is not necessa...
cyan maniacal death wish
  07/10/20
you guys need to learn how to read for comprehension. 70% o...
chestnut unhinged native
  07/10/20
...
jet-lagged organic girlfriend
  07/10/20
http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580400&mc=4&...
floppy fantasy-prone alpha
  07/10/20
sad to see him go full Jew propagandist, because his older b...
chestnut unhinged native
  07/10/20
he's not wrong. but there is a greater chance of the woke...
Naked Casino
  07/10/20
Trump has no power
fragrant ultramarine athletic conference deer antler
  07/10/20
Isn't Boris Johnson actually a huge cuck?
grizzly razzle-dazzle mexican
  07/10/20
https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/1325191187347599361
exciting school scourge upon the earth
  11/09/20
he's REALLY trying to do damage control and re-affirm his 'g...
chestnut unhinged native
  11/09/20
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exciting school scourge upon the earth
  11/09/20
To his credit, Pinker is one of very few liberals who acknow...
Lemon Resort Roommate
  11/09/20


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Date: July 10th, 2020 2:24 PM
Author: chestnut unhinged native

..because ethnonationalists like Trump, Bolsanaro, and Boris Johnson actually hold REAL POWER.'

lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHMsWdRlGwo#t=19m50s

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580939&forum_id=2#40581063)



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Date: July 10th, 2020 2:25 PM
Author: effete kitchen preventive strike

boomers are over

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580939&forum_id=2#40581068)



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Date: July 10th, 2020 2:25 PM
Author: Maize Chad Parlor

He’s not wrong for now.

The woke left is a growing problem though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580939&forum_id=2#40581077)



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Date: July 10th, 2020 2:48 PM
Author: fragrant ultramarine athletic conference deer antler

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580939&forum_id=2#40581259)



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Date: July 10th, 2020 2:26 PM
Author: arousing university

cr. if anything is true it's how seamlessly Trump was able to get into office and wield power like a surgeon with his scalpel. there was no opportunity to push back at all

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580939&forum_id=2#40581079)



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Date: July 10th, 2020 2:35 PM
Author: Misanthropic violet office

Remember that Pinker just signed that freedom of speech letter.

Remember that XO Ted explained Pinker’s OP 30 years ago:

Leftism is not a religion in the strict sense because leftist doctrine does not postulate the existence of any supernatural being. But, for the leftist, leftism plays a psychological role much like that which religion plays for some people. The leftist NEEDS to believe in leftism; it plays a vital role in his psychological economy. His beliefs are not easily modified by logic or facts. He has a deep conviction that leftism is morally Right with a capital R, and that he has not only a right but a duty to impose leftist morality on everyone.

223. Some readers may say, "This stuff about leftism is a lot of crap. I know John and Jane who are leftish types and they don't have all these totalitarian tendencies." It's quite true that many leftists, possibly even a numerical majority, are decent people who sincerely believe in tolerating others' values (up to a point) and wouldn't want to use high-handed methods to reach their social goals. Our remarks about leftism are not meant to apply to every individual leftist but to describe the general character of leftism as a movement. And the general character of a movement is not necessarily determined by the numerical proportions of the various kinds of people involved in the movement.

224. The people who rise to positions of power in leftist movements tend to be leftists of the most power- hungry type, because power-hungry people are those who strive hardest to get into positions of power. Once the power-hungry types have captured control of the movement, there are many leftists of a gentler breed who inwardly disapprove of many of the actions of the leaders, but cannot bring themselves to oppose them. They NEED their faith in the movement, and because they cannot give up this faith they go along with the leaders. True, SOME leftists do have the guts to oppose the totalitarian tendencies that emerge, but they generally lose, because the power-hungry types are better organized, are more ruthless and Machiavellian and have taken care to build themselves a strong power base.

226. Thus the fact that many individual leftists are personally mild and fairly tolerant people by no means prevents leftism as a whole form having a totalitarian tendency.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580939&forum_id=2#40581150)



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Date: July 10th, 2020 2:39 PM
Author: chestnut unhinged native

https://www.270towin.com/historical_maps/1984_large.png

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580939&forum_id=2#40581181)



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Date: July 10th, 2020 2:40 PM
Author: arousing university

Industrial Society and Its Future should be required reading.

I've had 4-5 people read parts of it in light of current happenings and they are legit blown away (no pun intended).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580939&forum_id=2#40581182)



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Date: July 10th, 2020 2:41 PM
Author: Misanthropic violet office

If I were in charge, it would be required reading for every student on an annual basis

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580939&forum_id=2#40581194)



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Date: July 10th, 2020 2:40 PM
Author: Maize Chad Parlor

This is interesting but I feel like you could replace leftism with any other political philosophy and it would read about the same. A lot of Republicans don’t like Trump but go along with it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580939&forum_id=2#40581189)



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Date: July 10th, 2020 2:43 PM
Author: Misanthropic violet office

No, you could replace leftism with any other TOTALITARIAN ideology and it would read the same.

Trumpism is not a totalitarian ideology. It isn’t any ideology at all and isn’t even coherent. By contrast, XO Ted’s quote is applicable to Islam, for instance

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580939&forum_id=2#40581214)



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Date: July 10th, 2020 2:46 PM
Author: arousing university



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580939&forum_id=2#40581239)



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Date: July 10th, 2020 2:46 PM
Author: chestnut unhinged native

but you are underestimating the number of people who vote Democrat who are not wild-eyed fanatics. there is a 'lefty' hardcore who fit the description you posted, but by no means is the median white Dem voter a completely ride-or-die Maoist totalitarian.

https://www.270towin.com/historical_maps/1984_large.png

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580939&forum_id=2#40581244)



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Date: July 10th, 2020 2:47 PM
Author: Misanthropic violet office

Read 223 again

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580939&forum_id=2#40581247)



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Date: July 10th, 2020 2:48 PM
Author: arousing university

i mean, isn't that exactly what he's saying?

>> It's quite true that many leftists, possibly even a numerical majority, are decent people who sincerely believe in tolerating others' values (up to a point) and wouldn't want to use high-handed methods to reach their social goals. Our remarks about leftism are not meant to apply to every individual leftist but to describe the general character of leftism as a movement. And the general character of a movement is not necessarily determined by the numerical proportions of the various kinds of people involved in the movement. <<

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580939&forum_id=2#40581254)



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Date: July 10th, 2020 2:53 PM
Author: chestnut unhinged native

he is talking about actual committed 'leftists', and i am pointing out that this is a minority subset of people who actually vote Democratic (the Left party). the number of committed leftists is very small. the majority of people who currently vote with the leftists will vote -- and have voted -- Right under certain circumstances.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580939&forum_id=2#40581295)



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Date: July 10th, 2020 2:50 PM
Author: arousing university

btw lawman is leaving out paragraph 230 which is also important:

230. The more dangerous leftists, that is, those who are most power-hungry, are often characterized by arrogance or by a dogmatic approach to ideology. However,the most dangerous leftists of all may be certain oversocia-lized types who avoid irritating displays of aggressiveness and refrain from advertising their leftism, but work quietly and unobtrusively to promote collectivist values, “enlightened” psychological techniques for socializing children,dependence of the individual on the system, and so forth.These crypto-leftists (as we may call them) approximate certain bourgeois types as far as practical action is concerned, but differ from them in psychology, ideology and motivation. The ordinary bourgeois tries to bring people under control of the system in order to protect his way of life,or he does so simply because his attitudes are conventional. The crypto-leftist tries to bring people under control of the system because he is a True Believer in a collectivistic ideology. The crypto-leftist is differentiated from the average leftist of the oversocialized type by the fact that his rebellious impulse is weaker and he is more securely socialized. He is differentiated from the ordinary well-socialized bourgeois by the fact that there is some deep lack within him that makes it necessary for him to devote himself to a cause and immerse himself in a collectivity. And maybe his (well-sublimated) drive for power is stronger than that of the average bourgeois.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580939&forum_id=2#40581281)



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Date: July 10th, 2020 3:03 PM
Author: cyan maniacal death wish

"And the general character of a movement is not necessarily determined by the numerical proportions of the various kinds of people involved in the movement."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580939&forum_id=2#40581357)



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Date: July 10th, 2020 3:09 PM
Author: chestnut unhinged native

you guys need to learn how to read for comprehension.

70% of white people, including tens of millions of 'leftists', voted for Reagan and Nixon, under circumstances in which an existential threat to the white race did not exist.

there is every reason to believe that an even higher % would vote as a bloc as a matter of actual physical survival.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580939&forum_id=2#40581399)



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Date: July 10th, 2020 3:06 PM
Author: jet-lagged organic girlfriend



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580939&forum_id=2#40581376)



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Date: July 10th, 2020 2:41 PM
Author: floppy fantasy-prone alpha

http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580400&mc=4&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580939&forum_id=2#40581199)



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Date: July 10th, 2020 2:44 PM
Author: chestnut unhinged native

sad to see him go full Jew propagandist, because his older books are evidence that he possesses the rational faculty to recognize everything he is now saying is nonsense.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580939&forum_id=2#40581220)



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Date: July 10th, 2020 2:49 PM
Author: Naked Casino

he's not wrong.

but there is a greater chance of the woke left firing me than Trump sending me to a camp.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580939&forum_id=2#40581274)



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Date: July 10th, 2020 2:50 PM
Author: fragrant ultramarine athletic conference deer antler

Trump has no power

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580939&forum_id=2#40581282)



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Date: July 10th, 2020 3:02 PM
Author: grizzly razzle-dazzle mexican

Isn't Boris Johnson actually a huge cuck?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580939&forum_id=2#40581356)



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Date: November 9th, 2020 1:52 PM
Author: exciting school scourge upon the earth

https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/1325191187347599361

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580939&forum_id=2#41326551)



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Date: November 9th, 2020 10:06 PM
Author: chestnut unhinged native

he's REALLY trying to do damage control and re-affirm his 'good liberal' credentials after edging closer to 'cancel' status for some of his IQ-realism/race-realism adjacent views in the 90s.

what a disgusting hack.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580939&forum_id=2#41330317)



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Date: November 9th, 2020 11:00 PM
Author: exciting school scourge upon the earth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580939&forum_id=2#41330723)



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Date: November 9th, 2020 2:10 PM
Author: Lemon Resort Roommate

To his credit, Pinker is one of very few liberals who acknowledge race and sex differences in IQ. That takes courage and principle.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580939&forum_id=2#41326692)