ITT: I explain where the "safe" cutoffs are for c/o 2011 OCI ITE
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Date: June 30th, 2009 8:44 PM Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
To be fair,
These are the minimum "safe" thresholds for having a good shot at realistically securing gainful employment at the decent firms that PROBABLY won't fire your faggot ass, LaTTTham style, six months into your first year. (AKA, the only law jobs realistically available to you as fresh graduates that are actually worth the trouble.)
Yale: Safe (minus maybe bottom 10%)
Stanford: Safe (minus bottom 25%)
Harvard: Safe at median and above.
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Columbia: Top 25% (LR), Top 20% (No LR) to be safe.
Chicago: Top 20% (LR), Top 15% (No LR) to be safe.
NYU: Top 15% (LR), Top 10% (No LR) to be safe.
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The rest of the T10: Top 10% (LR) to be safe.
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The bottom of the T13: Top 5% (LR) to be safe.
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GULC: lol
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The rest of the T20: Top 2% (LR + strong connections) to be safe.
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The rest: Never, ever, safe.
I SINCERELY HTH RISING 2LS! NOW SPREAD YOUR WINGS AND SOAR UP TO THE MOON; EVEN IF YOU FALL SHORT, YOU'LL STILL LAND AMONG THE *~~StArZ~~*
Edit: I will bump this daily until OCI to spread MOAR HOAP
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12127835) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 8:49 PM Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
To be fair,
There's not absolute guarantee that you won't die in a car crash tomorrow, even if you buy the "safest" model of car you possibly can. But it's still good to know what the "safest" model of car is.
Basically I just think all of the little rising 2L's need to be reminded that if they don't meet these thresholds, they aren't possibly fucked ITE - they're probably fucked ITE, and they should plan accordingly (ie killself).
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12127866) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 5:05 PM Author: Apoplectic aqua mother
HYS: all safe for market
T10: top ~80% for market
T15: top ~65% for market
T15-T20 + BU/BC/ND/GW: top ~40% for market
T40: top ~30% for market
T2: top ~15% for market
TTT: top ~5% for market
FTT: top 1-5 students for market
unaccreditted: unemployable
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12151306) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2009 5:24 PM Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
To be fair,
LaTTTham-like exceptions aside, firm rankings are generally probably a pretty good proxy for evaluating the health and long-term stability of any given firm. If I was looking for a firm job and didn't give a fuck about prestige or exit opportunities I would still absolutely take my chances at a random V10 over a a random V50 any day of the week, regardless of whether they both pay the same, if I had the opportunity.
The real benefits of going to a highly ranked firm ITE aren't limited to ephemeral internet "prestige" or whatever, hoss.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12151452) |
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Date: June 30th, 2009 8:54 PM Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
To be fair,
Hey brother you're preaching to the choir.
I think bottom third at PENN should get you some hot lead to the face and a bill for the cost of the bullet sent to your parents, who should be forcibly sterilized at the graduation reception for entertainment.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12127885) |
Date: July 1st, 2009 1:40 PM Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
To be fair,
July 1st bump.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12132791) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 1:45 PM Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
To be fair,
True
This thread is mostly just aimed at instilling terror into the hearts of rising 2L's.
The reality is that they're all fucked, but it's far more fundamentally demoralizing if they think that they could have done something to SAVE themselves, if only they had worked harder.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12132829) |
Date: July 2nd, 2009 5:20 PM Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
To be fair,
Bump for July 2nd.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12143297) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 7:54 PM Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
To be fair,
Yeah I really want to invest time in figuring out what the curve is at every T20 school.
If you even have to worry about what "GPA range" cutoffs for class rank are you are obviously too fucked to matter ITE, HTH.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12144284) |
Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:33 PM Author: Motley slap-happy coldplay fan house
I get the point of this thread, but for the sake of argument, what if I don't particularly care about getting canned in 6 months or a year?
Do you really think that, to work for what some charmingly refer to as "shit" biglaw firms, these 25% cutoffs hold for schools like CCNMPV?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12144556) |
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Date: July 8th, 2009 5:29 PM Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
To be fair,
"what if I don't particularly care about getting canned in 6 months or a year?"
Why would you possibly not care about this?
Re: "shit BIGLAW"...no, you can probably get unprestigious BIGLAW that comes with less job security, probably shittier working conditions/dumber coworkers and fewer exit options coming from pretty low down in the class at any T10 school. When people start talking about "I just want market" that's what they're talking about.
With that said, ITE who really knows, etc etc.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12190930) |
Date: July 3rd, 2009 4:55 PM Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
To be fair,
Bump for July 3rd
What a glorious day!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12151216) |
Date: July 5th, 2009 3:13 PM Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
To be fair,
Bump for THIS BEAUTIFUL HOLIDAY WEEKEND.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12162532) |
Date: July 7th, 2009 7:20 PM Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
To be fair,
Tuesday bump what what
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12182282) |
Date: July 8th, 2009 5:23 PM Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
To be fair,
bump bump bump
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12190870) |
Date: July 10th, 2009 1:39 PM Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
To be fair,
reminder.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12208028) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 3:20 PM Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
To be fair,
At an XOXO good firm? No.
At an IRL good firm? Probably not, but possible.
At a shitbiglaw firm? Yeah unless your a social tard.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12208988) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 3:32 PM Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
To be fair,
np FRIEND.
Disclaimer: This thread is somewhat meanspirited flame but forreal, I think OCI this year is going to get ugly and I don't think anyone, including employers, really knows just what that "means" at this point.
I could see Top 25% Gtown getting V20, depending on how well you interview and what markets you're looking at. V50 is a strong possibility. V100 is assured unless the legal market totally tanks and everyone gets fucked or unless you're a social retard or IRL niggerthread in the interview or something like that. You'll get a market job if you want it and aren't too tied down to one tough geographic market (ie "Only D.C.", etc). Honestly you're grades aren't going to be your problem - your school will to some extent because it's so large and D.C. centered, but you can somewhat offset that by looking outside the D.C. market. Your real liability - if you have one - is yourself. IME, a lot of 2L's - especially the ones who powered right through HS-->Ugrad-->LS - really don't know how to interview. (Maybe you do.) Even ITE, your grades/school will get you in a lot of pretty good doors...but you need to approach every interview with the mindset that employers are quite literally looking for reasons to ding you. If I were you I would take whatever interviewing coaching your school offers and run with it. Come up with plausible, intelligent and coherent explanations for any gaps or potential weak points in your resume (which should be immaculate, of course) and rehearse the fuck out of them so that you could convincingly explain them even if you were interviewed at 3 a.m. drunk and high. IMO, stuff like that might very well make or break you at your reaches. HTH man.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12209079) |
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Date: July 10th, 2009 3:22 PM Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
To be fair,
Ur right LOL I was just kidding, T14 is all safe!!!one LOL i wuz just messin wit the kidz man!!!1 LOOOOLL
Sincerely sorry about your tiny pink class bro. There's always 3L OCI, just keep your grades up...
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12209008) |
Date: July 21st, 2009 4:46 PM Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
To be fair,
Jesus I can't believe I forgot to bump this for so long
Sorry 2L's, I hope you didn't make any foolish decisions in that interim without consulting this guide.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12306999) |
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Date: July 21st, 2009 4:48 PM Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
To be fair,
I would never suggest such a thing man
...But don't pay your fall tuition until you get your 2L SA job lined up.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12307015) |
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Date: July 21st, 2009 4:54 PM Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
To be fair,
Any market which is not one of the following:
NYC
DC
Chi
LA
SF
And go ahead and take TX out too for all practical purposes, unless you have very strong regional ties there.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12307058) |
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Date: July 21st, 2009 5:44 PM Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
To be fair,
I'm not trying to flame you man but while I think you have a reasonably good shot at getting "BIGLAW" (I didn't say prestigious BIGLAW) even ITE with your school/rank, I wouldn't be *too* strongly against secondary markets if I were you at this point.
Not flame.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12307432) |
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Date: July 21st, 2009 5:48 PM Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
To be fair,
Flame?
Good for you on the debt aspect, but I don't think that WE will mean jack shit ITE unless you are like a partner's son or something.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12307459) |
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Date: July 21st, 2009 5:51 PM Author: rose feces locale
and not flame. the thing is just an incidental that gives me a good connection at one place.
and i just mean i won't be buried in loans so as to have to take a job in white plains or some shit. no biglaw is not the end of the world.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12307486) |
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Date: July 21st, 2009 5:53 PM Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
To be fair,
"no biglaw is not the end of the world."
With this attitude, and with your sweet lack of debt, you are in reasonably good standing even if OCI goes badly my friend. You will find work of a respectable kind, and you're right - especially for a dood like you, missing biglaw isn't going to be the end of the world.
With that said, gl at OCI man.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12307502) |
Date: July 21st, 2009 5:34 PM Author: diverse slate stage brethren
I agree with the general point of this, but I think (1) you can't really be certain about who's safe and who isn't because there's too much uncertainty, and (2) if I had to pull biglaw percentages out of my ass, it would be more like:
HYS--top 20% safe, 20-50% will probably be OK.
CCN--top 10% safe, 10-33% will probably be OK. People below the top third are probably screwed, but may get lucky.
The rest of the T14--top 10% safe, 10-20% OK.
Below the T14--top 10 (not percent) probably safe. Top 3-5% OK. (Except a few schools, like UCLA, that will do a little better.)
Edit: Even then, I think this is overstating who well median H students will do.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12307380)
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Date: July 21st, 2009 5:46 PM Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
To be fair,
180
As the time draws near the pessimism only grows.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12307444) |
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Date: July 21st, 2009 5:59 PM Author: Motley slap-happy coldplay fan house
I enjoy you as a poster. I just wonder where your certainty about the 2011 slaughter comes from. We all read ATL, we all know firms are cutting back everywhere, etc.
But the sheer pleasure you take from these posts and the exactitude with which you estimate the coming pwnage indicate you are either a) a laid-off first year with a justifiable chip on your shoulder, or b) a :D-type who isn't even a law student and has no particular idea about what hiring will be like.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12307571)
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Date: July 21st, 2009 6:05 PM Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
To be fair,
I will say that I am neither. Honestly dood I'm just being a dick and fucking around with the scared 2L's on this site. The truth is that NO ONE knows for sure what this OCI will look like. I - and many other people - suspect it will be a bloodbath of the kind that the legal community hasn't seen in decades, and I wouldn't be suprised if even XOXO is being too optimistic on the whole, which is really saying something.
But with that said, I don't really have a stake in it one way or another, and I don't claim to have any real insider information (although I like to think I know more about this than our resident MFE.) I'm just poking a stick in the ant hill to see the little buggers scurry around.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12307621) |
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Date: July 21st, 2009 6:24 PM Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
To be fair,
I guess we'll see man.
I really feel your pain on the CCN thing. Any other year...
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12307746) |
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