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ITT: I explain where the "safe" cutoffs are for c/o 2011 OCI ITE

To be fair, These are the minimum "safe" thresh...
godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
  06/30/09
if cravath is deferring people then nobody is safe.
Curious ivory preventive strike
  06/30/09
To be fair, Shhh I'm trying to give them some HOAP dood
godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
  06/30/09
srsly though, there is no %ile at which you will be safe ...
Curious ivory preventive strike
  06/30/09
V1
aromatic circlehead school
  06/30/09
To be fair, There's not absolute guarantee that you won't...
godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
  06/30/09
2011 is probably going to be the worst hiring year in the bi...
Hyperventilating stead
  06/30/09
by "people don't see it coming," do you mean "...
Exciting dull rehab
  07/02/09
Harvard median comparable to T20 Top 2%? STFU. You don't kno...
disrespectful lemon international law enforcement agency faggotry
  07/02/09
Agreed. See also: H @ median vs. top 20% at columbia.
bright really tough guy gunner
  07/02/09
HYS: all safe for market T10: top ~80% for market T15: t...
Apoplectic aqua mother
  07/03/09
To be fair, "Market" is not the standard here
godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
  07/03/09
market is what matters. nobody cares, except snobby lawyers,...
Apoplectic aqua mother
  07/03/09
To be fair, LaTTTham-like exceptions aside, firm rankings...
godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
  07/03/09
Humor me, what are the decent firms?
Contagious property
  07/03/09
subtle Columbia trolling
Big associate dilemma
  07/21/09
it will produce a better generation of lawyers if everybody ...
Hyperventilating stead
  06/30/09
To be fair, Hey brother you're preaching to the choir. ...
godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
  06/30/09
yeah i know you are on the level, i just don't bemoan the lo...
Hyperventilating stead
  06/30/09
To be fair, July 1st bump.
godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
  07/01/09
This seems logically flawed. No one is really safe, even at ...
Irradiated Autistic Stag Film Volcanic Crater
  07/01/09
To be fair, True This thread is mostly just aimed at i...
godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
  07/01/09
TCPWNAGE.
Irradiated Autistic Stag Film Volcanic Crater
  07/01/09
To be fair, Bump for July 2nd.
godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
  07/02/09
I should really do some bidding.
Frisky Piazza Kitty
  07/02/09
How do you tell who the bottom 10% is at Yale? Wouldn't the...
mentally impaired mental disorder market
  07/02/09
Your intuition is correct.
Contagious property
  07/03/09
Put GPA range estimates instead of nebulous class % you lazy...
Vivacious Flirting Forum Doctorate
  07/02/09
To be fair, Yeah I really want to invest time in figuring...
godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
  07/02/09
Nah I just have no clue what's what (CLS). Most of the shmoe...
Vivacious Flirting Forum Doctorate
  07/02/09
This actually was a serious question.
Vivacious Flirting Forum Doctorate
  07/03/09
plz list what you consider "good firms" that won't...
alcoholic parlor
  07/02/09
GULC
ebony outnumbered party of the first part
  07/02/09
I get the point of this thread, but for the sake of argument...
Motley slap-happy coldplay fan house
  07/02/09
for "shit" biglaw firms, CCNMPV will have no probl...
Apoplectic aqua mother
  07/03/09
To be fair, "what if I don't particularly care about...
godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
  07/08/09
what are the "shit" biglaw firms?
crawly indian lodge
  07/10/09
To be fair, Bump for July 3rd What a glorious day!
godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
  07/03/09
2012 will be better, right?
tan confused prole
  07/03/09
for sure. class of 2012 will benefit from the suffering of 2...
Apoplectic aqua mother
  07/03/09
whew.
tan confused prole
  07/03/09
disgusting 2012 trolling. but keep telling yourself that, i...
Razzmatazz new version
  07/03/09
in the last recession, 2002-2004 OCI sucked but 2005-2007 we...
Apoplectic aqua mother
  07/03/09
marginally so. contracted summer classes and hiring, but it...
Razzmatazz new version
  07/03/09
this is a pessimistic assessment. 2 years of suffering is e...
Apoplectic aqua mother
  07/03/09
consideration of suffering doesn't factor - don't be naive. ...
Razzmatazz new version
  07/03/09
To be fair, Bump for THIS BEAUTIFUL HOLIDAY WEEKEND.
godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
  07/05/09
To be fair, Tuesday bump what what
godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
  07/07/09
To be fair, bump bump bump
godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
  07/08/09
if you were being fair, you'd answer my question.
Motley slap-happy coldplay fan house
  07/08/09
To be fair, done
godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
  07/08/09
USC = top 100% for V100
Honey-headed Bespoke Elastic Band Station
  07/08/09
To be fair, reminder.
godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
  07/10/09
do you think top 25% GULC gets BIGLAW?
Excitant weed whacker faggot firefighter
  07/10/09
To be fair, At an XOXO good firm? No. At an IRL good f...
godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
  07/10/09
can you further define those categories in Vault terms? w...
Excitant weed whacker faggot firefighter
  07/10/09
To be fair, np FRIEND. Disclaimer: This thread is some...
godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
  07/10/09
terrible predictions once you get past harvard. STFU homoso...
topaz abusive pocket flask
  07/10/09
To be fair, Ur right LOL I was just kidding, T14 is all s...
godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
  07/10/09
To be fairer, you predict a 50% drop in safety from HLS to C...
bright really tough guy gunner
  07/10/09
To be fair, I might have exaggerated somewhat but aren't ...
godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
  07/10/09
No. I'm safe according to your cutoffs and have no real reas...
bright really tough guy gunner
  07/10/09
To be fair, Jesus I can't believe I forgot to bump this f...
godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
  07/21/09
still not droppin' out d00der
rose feces locale
  07/21/09
To be fair, I would never suggest such a thing man ......
godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
  07/21/09
top 25%ish MVP no LR
rose feces locale
  07/21/09
To be fair, R U willing to take a secondary market? (seri...
godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
  07/21/09
define secondary market.
rose feces locale
  07/21/09
To be fair, Any market which is not one of the following:...
godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
  07/21/09
i'd be very strongly against it.
rose feces locale
  07/21/09
To be fair, I'm not trying to flame you man but while I t...
godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
  07/21/09
...
rose feces locale
  07/21/09
To be fair, Flame? Good for you on the debt aspect, bu...
godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
  07/21/09
and not flame. the thing is just an incidental that gives ...
rose feces locale
  07/21/09
To be fair, "no biglaw is not the end of the world.&...
godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
  07/21/09
i'd be less averse to govt if i didn't hate dc so much. t...
rose feces locale
  07/21/09
...
Twinkling Rebellious Shitlib
  07/21/09
To be fair, Probably about as safe as someone can be ITE,...
godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
  07/21/09
thx d00d
Twinkling Rebellious Shitlib
  07/21/09
To be fair, np dood but don't forget to HUSTLE, and don't...
godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
  07/21/09
I agree with the general point of this, but I think (1) you ...
diverse slate stage brethren
  07/21/09
Just to be clear, this means you expect there to be <1000...
Motley slap-happy coldplay fan house
  07/21/09
To be fair, 180 As the time draws near the pessimism o...
godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
  07/21/09
who are you and what do you do?
Motley slap-happy coldplay fan house
  07/21/09
To be fair, I am a paid poster on a prestigious website t...
godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
  07/21/09
I enjoy you as a poster. I just wonder where your certainty ...
Motley slap-happy coldplay fan house
  07/21/09
To be fair, I will say that I am neither. Honestly dood I...
godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
  07/21/09
I know. I wish I wasn't one of those fucking ants. I went to...
Motley slap-happy coldplay fan house
  07/21/09
To be fair, I guess we'll see man. I really feel your...
godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug
  07/21/09
TBF is a talented troll artist who intentionally mixes wisdo...
Vivacious Flirting Forum Doctorate
  07/21/09
I gathered, hence the :D comparison. Though TBF is a better ...
Motley slap-happy coldplay fan house
  07/21/09
u new?
Vivacious Flirting Forum Doctorate
  07/21/09
Sporadic lurker, but since the summer I've developed the ter...
Motley slap-happy coldplay fan house
  07/21/09
rofl. gl in august/sept
Vivacious Flirting Forum Doctorate
  07/21/09
you also enjoy laughing at others' misfortune, eh?
Motley slap-happy coldplay fan house
  07/21/09
I was expressing my agreement with your final sentence (xo b...
Vivacious Flirting Forum Doctorate
  07/21/09
o sorry dood. Sometimes this place makes me feel like I ...
Motley slap-happy coldplay fan house
  07/21/09
more like you're taking a leak against the wall and complete...
vibrant bistre hell chad
  07/21/09


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Date: June 30th, 2009 8:44 PM
Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug

To be fair,

These are the minimum "safe" thresholds for having a good shot at realistically securing gainful employment at the decent firms that PROBABLY won't fire your faggot ass, LaTTTham style, six months into your first year. (AKA, the only law jobs realistically available to you as fresh graduates that are actually worth the trouble.)

Yale: Safe (minus maybe bottom 10%)

Stanford: Safe (minus bottom 25%)

Harvard: Safe at median and above.

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Columbia: Top 25% (LR), Top 20% (No LR) to be safe.

Chicago: Top 20% (LR), Top 15% (No LR) to be safe.

NYU: Top 15% (LR), Top 10% (No LR) to be safe.

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The rest of the T10: Top 10% (LR) to be safe.

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The bottom of the T13: Top 5% (LR) to be safe.

---

GULC: lol

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The rest of the T20: Top 2% (LR + strong connections) to be safe.

---

The rest: Never, ever, safe.

I SINCERELY HTH RISING 2LS! NOW SPREAD YOUR WINGS AND SOAR UP TO THE MOON; EVEN IF YOU FALL SHORT, YOU'LL STILL LAND AMONG THE *~~StArZ~~*

Edit: I will bump this daily until OCI to spread MOAR HOAP

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12127835)



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Date: June 30th, 2009 8:46 PM
Author: Curious ivory preventive strike

if cravath is deferring people then nobody is safe.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12127845)



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Date: June 30th, 2009 8:46 PM
Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug

To be fair,

Shhh I'm trying to give them some HOAP dood

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12127847)



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Date: June 30th, 2009 8:48 PM
Author: Curious ivory preventive strike

srsly though, there is no %ile at which you will be safe

latham, weil, skadden were all v10 last year. how much higher is there to go than that?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12127857)



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Date: June 30th, 2009 8:48 PM
Author: aromatic circlehead school

V1

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12127859)



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Date: June 30th, 2009 8:49 PM
Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug

To be fair,

There's not absolute guarantee that you won't die in a car crash tomorrow, even if you buy the "safest" model of car you possibly can. But it's still good to know what the "safest" model of car is.

Basically I just think all of the little rising 2L's need to be reminded that if they don't meet these thresholds, they aren't possibly fucked ITE - they're probably fucked ITE, and they should plan accordingly (ie killself).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12127866)



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Date: June 30th, 2009 8:54 PM
Author: Hyperventilating stead

2011 is probably going to be the worst hiring year in the biglaw era. lolz that people don't see it coming.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12127887)



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Date: July 2nd, 2009 7:01 PM
Author: Exciting dull rehab

by "people don't see it coming," do you mean "has been echoed here ad nauseum for months?"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12143869)



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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:27 PM
Author: disrespectful lemon international law enforcement agency faggotry

Harvard median comparable to T20 Top 2%? STFU. You don't know what the fuck you are talking about. You are a ranking troll.

And theres not that big of difference between "T13" and "T10". Sorry dooder.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12144525)



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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:29 PM
Author: bright really tough guy gunner

Agreed. See also: H @ median vs. top 20% at columbia.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12144537)



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Date: July 3rd, 2009 5:05 PM
Author: Apoplectic aqua mother

HYS: all safe for market

T10: top ~80% for market

T15: top ~65% for market

T15-T20 + BU/BC/ND/GW: top ~40% for market

T40: top ~30% for market

T2: top ~15% for market

TTT: top ~5% for market

FTT: top 1-5 students for market

unaccreditted: unemployable

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12151306)



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Date: July 3rd, 2009 5:11 PM
Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug

To be fair,

"Market" is not the standard here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12151358)



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Date: July 3rd, 2009 5:18 PM
Author: Apoplectic aqua mother

market is what matters. nobody cares, except snobby lawyers, whether you work for kirkland or paul hastings. hth

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12151406)



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Date: July 3rd, 2009 5:24 PM
Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug

To be fair,

LaTTTham-like exceptions aside, firm rankings are generally probably a pretty good proxy for evaluating the health and long-term stability of any given firm. If I was looking for a firm job and didn't give a fuck about prestige or exit opportunities I would still absolutely take my chances at a random V10 over a a random V50 any day of the week, regardless of whether they both pay the same, if I had the opportunity.

The real benefits of going to a highly ranked firm ITE aren't limited to ephemeral internet "prestige" or whatever, hoss.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12151452)



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Date: July 3rd, 2009 6:10 PM
Author: Contagious property

Humor me, what are the decent firms?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12151810)



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Date: July 21st, 2009 4:52 PM
Author: Big associate dilemma

subtle Columbia trolling

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12307044)



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Date: June 30th, 2009 8:53 PM
Author: Hyperventilating stead

it will produce a better generation of lawyers if everybody has to go to lesser firms. climates where getting v25 from the bottom third at shitfests like penn wasn't uncommon has resulted in a lot of whiny, entitled, lazy fucksnots who don't know much about actually practicing law and bitch like faggots about ever having to do anything difficult.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12127880)



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Date: June 30th, 2009 8:54 PM
Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug

To be fair,

Hey brother you're preaching to the choir.

I think bottom third at PENN should get you some hot lead to the face and a bill for the cost of the bullet sent to your parents, who should be forcibly sterilized at the graduation reception for entertainment.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12127885)



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Date: June 30th, 2009 8:55 PM
Author: Hyperventilating stead

yeah i know you are on the level, i just don't bemoan the loss of the biglaw model. shit needed to change.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12127894)



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Date: July 1st, 2009 1:40 PM
Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug

To be fair,

July 1st bump.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12132791)



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Date: July 1st, 2009 1:44 PM
Author: Irradiated Autistic Stag Film Volcanic Crater

This seems logically flawed. No one is really safe, even at V5 firms, and even COA clerks. To the degree that someone could be safe, it wouldn't be because of having a top % finish or law review, it would be because of other factors, such as social skills, connections, or lawyerly talent.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12132818)



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Date: July 1st, 2009 1:45 PM
Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug

To be fair,

True

This thread is mostly just aimed at instilling terror into the hearts of rising 2L's.

The reality is that they're all fucked, but it's far more fundamentally demoralizing if they think that they could have done something to SAVE themselves, if only they had worked harder.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12132829)



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Date: July 1st, 2009 1:46 PM
Author: Irradiated Autistic Stag Film Volcanic Crater

TCPWNAGE.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12132834)



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Date: July 2nd, 2009 5:20 PM
Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug

To be fair,

Bump for July 2nd.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12143297)



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Date: July 2nd, 2009 5:59 PM
Author: Frisky Piazza Kitty

I should really do some bidding.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12143491)



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Date: July 2nd, 2009 7:43 PM
Author: mentally impaired mental disorder market

How do you tell who the bottom 10% is at Yale? Wouldn't the bottom 40% just be a bunch of passes? Or do low passes and fails actually get used occasionally?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12144187)



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Date: July 3rd, 2009 6:09 PM
Author: Contagious property

Your intuition is correct.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12151805)



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Date: July 2nd, 2009 7:52 PM
Author: Vivacious Flirting Forum Doctorate

Put GPA range estimates instead of nebulous class % you lazy fuck.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12144259)



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Date: July 2nd, 2009 7:54 PM
Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug

To be fair,

Yeah I really want to invest time in figuring out what the curve is at every T20 school.

If you even have to worry about what "GPA range" cutoffs for class rank are you are obviously too fucked to matter ITE, HTH.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12144284)



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Date: July 2nd, 2009 7:57 PM
Author: Vivacious Flirting Forum Doctorate

Nah I just have no clue what's what (CLS). Most of the shmoes I talk to just know what constitutes median, top third, and top 5%. I have no clue what 20% and 25% are.

EYYYY, MAYBE YOOS CAN HELPS ME?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12144312)



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Date: July 3rd, 2009 7:27 PM
Author: Vivacious Flirting Forum Doctorate

This actually was a serious question.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12152258)



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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:16 PM
Author: alcoholic parlor

plz list what you consider "good firms" that won't LATHAM your ass.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12144458)



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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:29 PM
Author: ebony outnumbered party of the first part
Subject: GULC

Why don't you make a serious prediction for Georgetown.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12144534)



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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:33 PM
Author: Motley slap-happy coldplay fan house

I get the point of this thread, but for the sake of argument, what if I don't particularly care about getting canned in 6 months or a year?

Do you really think that, to work for what some charmingly refer to as "shit" biglaw firms, these 25% cutoffs hold for schools like CCNMPV?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12144556)



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Date: July 3rd, 2009 5:22 PM
Author: Apoplectic aqua mother

for "shit" biglaw firms, CCNMPV will have no problem for even those far below median

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12151433)



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Date: July 8th, 2009 5:29 PM
Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug

To be fair,

"what if I don't particularly care about getting canned in 6 months or a year?"

Why would you possibly not care about this?

Re: "shit BIGLAW"...no, you can probably get unprestigious BIGLAW that comes with less job security, probably shittier working conditions/dumber coworkers and fewer exit options coming from pretty low down in the class at any T10 school. When people start talking about "I just want market" that's what they're talking about.

With that said, ITE who really knows, etc etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12190930)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:05 PM
Author: crawly indian lodge

what are the "shit" biglaw firms?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12208297)



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Date: July 3rd, 2009 4:55 PM
Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug

To be fair,

Bump for July 3rd

What a glorious day!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12151216)



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Date: July 3rd, 2009 7:27 PM
Author: tan confused prole

2012 will be better, right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12152259)



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Date: July 3rd, 2009 7:29 PM
Author: Apoplectic aqua mother

for sure. class of 2012 will benefit from the suffering of 2010 and 2011

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12152273)



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Date: July 3rd, 2009 7:30 PM
Author: tan confused prole

whew.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12152278)



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Date: July 3rd, 2009 7:39 PM
Author: Razzmatazz new version

disgusting 2012 trolling. but keep telling yourself that, i'm sure it will actually impact the reality of the situation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12152357)



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Date: July 3rd, 2009 8:10 PM
Author: Apoplectic aqua mother

in the last recession, 2002-2004 OCI sucked but 2005-2007 were great. it will be similar for class of 2012 and 2013's OCI, after class of 2010 and 2011 suffer

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12152526)



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Date: July 3rd, 2009 7:31 PM
Author: Razzmatazz new version

marginally so. contracted summer classes and hiring, but it won't be a professional abattoir like 2011 is facing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12152292)



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Date: July 3rd, 2009 7:34 PM
Author: Apoplectic aqua mother

this is a pessimistic assessment. 2 years of suffering is enough. biglaw will have to hire more lemmings to do associate work to make up for the class of 2010/2011

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12152313)



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Date: July 3rd, 2009 7:38 PM
Author: Razzmatazz new version

consideration of suffering doesn't factor - don't be naive. hiring will happen at some level in 2012 once associate numbers and recruiting have evened out from all the deferments that are going to murder 2011's OCI. but SA classes will be small and offers will still be less likely. the previous era of hiring is gone for good. SA situations will remain competitive and the total number of offers will be much lower from year to year. the model has changed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12152353)



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Date: July 5th, 2009 3:13 PM
Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug

To be fair,

Bump for THIS BEAUTIFUL HOLIDAY WEEKEND.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12162532)



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Date: July 7th, 2009 7:20 PM
Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug

To be fair,

Tuesday bump what what

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12182282)



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Date: July 8th, 2009 5:23 PM
Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug

To be fair,

bump bump bump

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12190870)



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Date: July 8th, 2009 5:25 PM
Author: Motley slap-happy coldplay fan house

if you were being fair, you'd answer my question.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12190890)



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Date: July 8th, 2009 5:29 PM
Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug

To be fair,

done

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12190937)



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Date: July 8th, 2009 5:48 PM
Author: Honey-headed Bespoke Elastic Band Station

USC = top 100% for V100

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12191133)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:39 PM
Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug

To be fair,

reminder.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12208028)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:25 PM
Author: Excitant weed whacker faggot firefighter

do you think top 25% GULC gets BIGLAW?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12208539)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 3:20 PM
Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug

To be fair,

At an XOXO good firm? No.

At an IRL good firm? Probably not, but possible.

At a shitbiglaw firm? Yeah unless your a social tard.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12208988)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 3:22 PM
Author: Excitant weed whacker faggot firefighter

can you further define those categories in Vault terms?

we are FRIENDS on my other moniker, so plz help me out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12209011)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 3:32 PM
Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug

To be fair,

np FRIEND.

Disclaimer: This thread is somewhat meanspirited flame but forreal, I think OCI this year is going to get ugly and I don't think anyone, including employers, really knows just what that "means" at this point.

I could see Top 25% Gtown getting V20, depending on how well you interview and what markets you're looking at. V50 is a strong possibility. V100 is assured unless the legal market totally tanks and everyone gets fucked or unless you're a social retard or IRL niggerthread in the interview or something like that. You'll get a market job if you want it and aren't too tied down to one tough geographic market (ie "Only D.C.", etc). Honestly you're grades aren't going to be your problem - your school will to some extent because it's so large and D.C. centered, but you can somewhat offset that by looking outside the D.C. market. Your real liability - if you have one - is yourself. IME, a lot of 2L's - especially the ones who powered right through HS-->Ugrad-->LS - really don't know how to interview. (Maybe you do.) Even ITE, your grades/school will get you in a lot of pretty good doors...but you need to approach every interview with the mindset that employers are quite literally looking for reasons to ding you. If I were you I would take whatever interviewing coaching your school offers and run with it. Come up with plausible, intelligent and coherent explanations for any gaps or potential weak points in your resume (which should be immaculate, of course) and rehearse the fuck out of them so that you could convincingly explain them even if you were interviewed at 3 a.m. drunk and high. IMO, stuff like that might very well make or break you at your reaches. HTH man.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12209079)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:27 PM
Author: topaz abusive pocket flask

terrible predictions once you get past harvard. STFU homosoreass.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12208563)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 3:22 PM
Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug

To be fair,

Ur right LOL I was just kidding, T14 is all safe!!!one LOL i wuz just messin wit the kidz man!!!1 LOOOOLL

Sincerely sorry about your tiny pink class bro. There's always 3L OCI, just keep your grades up...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12209008)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 3:26 PM
Author: bright really tough guy gunner

To be fairer, you predict a 50% drop in safety from HLS to CLS. That's absurd, dude.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12209056)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 3:41 PM
Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug

To be fair,

I might have exaggerated somewhat but aren't you the guy who's always running around talking about how much you wish you went to Harvard and how great your life would be if you had gone there?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12209136)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 3:55 PM
Author: bright really tough guy gunner

No. I'm safe according to your cutoffs and have no real reason to expect that I'd be better off at HLS.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12209230)



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Date: July 21st, 2009 4:46 PM
Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug

To be fair,

Jesus I can't believe I forgot to bump this for so long

Sorry 2L's, I hope you didn't make any foolish decisions in that interim without consulting this guide.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12306999)



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Date: July 21st, 2009 4:48 PM
Author: rose feces locale

still not droppin' out d00der

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12307008)



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Date: July 21st, 2009 4:48 PM
Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug

To be fair,

I would never suggest such a thing man

...But don't pay your fall tuition until you get your 2L SA job lined up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12307015)



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Date: July 21st, 2009 4:50 PM
Author: rose feces locale

top 25%ish MVP no LR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12307029)



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Date: July 21st, 2009 4:50 PM
Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug

To be fair,

R U willing to take a secondary market? (seriously.)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12307030)



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Date: July 21st, 2009 4:51 PM
Author: rose feces locale

define secondary market.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12307038)



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Date: July 21st, 2009 4:54 PM
Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug

To be fair,

Any market which is not one of the following:

NYC

DC

Chi

LA

SF

And go ahead and take TX out too for all practical purposes, unless you have very strong regional ties there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12307058)



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Date: July 21st, 2009 4:57 PM
Author: rose feces locale

i'd be very strongly against it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12307089)



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Date: July 21st, 2009 5:44 PM
Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug

To be fair,

I'm not trying to flame you man but while I think you have a reasonably good shot at getting "BIGLAW" (I didn't say prestigious BIGLAW) even ITE with your school/rank, I wouldn't be *too* strongly against secondary markets if I were you at this point.

Not flame.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12307432)



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Date: July 21st, 2009 5:47 PM
Author: rose feces locale



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12307449)



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Date: July 21st, 2009 5:48 PM
Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug

To be fair,

Flame?

Good for you on the debt aspect, but I don't think that WE will mean jack shit ITE unless you are like a partner's son or something.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12307459)



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Date: July 21st, 2009 5:51 PM
Author: rose feces locale

and not flame. the thing is just an incidental that gives me a good connection at one place.

and i just mean i won't be buried in loans so as to have to take a job in white plains or some shit. no biglaw is not the end of the world.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12307486)



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Date: July 21st, 2009 5:53 PM
Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug

To be fair,

"no biglaw is not the end of the world."

With this attitude, and with your sweet lack of debt, you are in reasonably good standing even if OCI goes badly my friend. You will find work of a respectable kind, and you're right - especially for a dood like you, missing biglaw isn't going to be the end of the world.

With that said, gl at OCI man.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12307502)



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Date: July 21st, 2009 5:53 PM
Author: rose feces locale

i'd be less averse to govt if i didn't hate dc so much.

ty dood

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12307513)



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Date: July 21st, 2009 5:30 PM
Author: Twinkling Rebellious Shitlib



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12307360)



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Date: July 21st, 2009 5:45 PM
Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug

To be fair,

Probably about as safe as someone can be ITE, assuming you bid WISELY.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12307437)



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Date: July 21st, 2009 5:46 PM
Author: Twinkling Rebellious Shitlib

thx d00d

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12307445)



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Date: July 21st, 2009 5:49 PM
Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug

To be fair,

np dood but don't forget to HUSTLE, and don't overplay your cards. "Safe" in your case doesn't mean "bid on a bunch of prestigious firms in D.C./S.F."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12307470)



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Date: July 21st, 2009 5:34 PM
Author: diverse slate stage brethren

I agree with the general point of this, but I think (1) you can't really be certain about who's safe and who isn't because there's too much uncertainty, and (2) if I had to pull biglaw percentages out of my ass, it would be more like:

HYS--top 20% safe, 20-50% will probably be OK.

CCN--top 10% safe, 10-33% will probably be OK. People below the top third are probably screwed, but may get lucky.

The rest of the T14--top 10% safe, 10-20% OK.

Below the T14--top 10 (not percent) probably safe. Top 3-5% OK. (Except a few schools, like UCLA, that will do a little better.)

Edit: Even then, I think this is overstating who well median H students will do.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12307380)



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Date: July 21st, 2009 5:40 PM
Author: Motley slap-happy coldplay fan house

Just to be clear, this means you expect there to be <1000 summer associates hired this year?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12307411)



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Date: July 21st, 2009 5:46 PM
Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug

To be fair,

180

As the time draws near the pessimism only grows.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12307444)



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Date: July 21st, 2009 5:49 PM
Author: Motley slap-happy coldplay fan house

who are you and what do you do?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12307473)



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Date: July 21st, 2009 5:54 PM
Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug

To be fair,

I am a paid poster on a prestigious website that caters to the legal/white supremacist communities.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12307520)



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Date: July 21st, 2009 5:59 PM
Author: Motley slap-happy coldplay fan house

I enjoy you as a poster. I just wonder where your certainty about the 2011 slaughter comes from. We all read ATL, we all know firms are cutting back everywhere, etc.

But the sheer pleasure you take from these posts and the exactitude with which you estimate the coming pwnage indicate you are either a) a laid-off first year with a justifiable chip on your shoulder, or b) a :D-type who isn't even a law student and has no particular idea about what hiring will be like.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12307571)



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Date: July 21st, 2009 6:05 PM
Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug

To be fair,

I will say that I am neither. Honestly dood I'm just being a dick and fucking around with the scared 2L's on this site. The truth is that NO ONE knows for sure what this OCI will look like. I - and many other people - suspect it will be a bloodbath of the kind that the legal community hasn't seen in decades, and I wouldn't be suprised if even XOXO is being too optimistic on the whole, which is really saying something.

But with that said, I don't really have a stake in it one way or another, and I don't claim to have any real insider information (although I like to think I know more about this than our resident MFE.) I'm just poking a stick in the ant hill to see the little buggers scurry around.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12307621)



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Date: July 21st, 2009 6:15 PM
Author: Motley slap-happy coldplay fan house

I know. I wish I wasn't one of those fucking ants. I went to CCN precisely to avoid being in this spot...

But the question is, have things contracted so much that hiring is actually 20%, or 10% (or less) of what it was? There are so many market-paying firms in this country that it just seems hard to believe, even with all the inauspicious news of late.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12307670)



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Date: July 21st, 2009 6:24 PM
Author: godawful talking shrine antidepressant drug

To be fair,

I guess we'll see man.

I really feel your pain on the CCN thing. Any other year...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12307746)



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Date: July 21st, 2009 6:17 PM
Author: Vivacious Flirting Forum Doctorate

TBF is a talented troll artist who intentionally mixes wisdom with retardation. Don't be stupid.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12307688)



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Date: July 21st, 2009 6:18 PM
Author: Motley slap-happy coldplay fan house

I gathered, hence the :D comparison. Though TBF is a better flame.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12307701)



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Date: July 21st, 2009 6:20 PM
Author: Vivacious Flirting Forum Doctorate

u new?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12307717)



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Date: July 21st, 2009 6:23 PM
Author: Motley slap-happy coldplay fan house

Sporadic lurker, but since the summer I've developed the terrible habit of coming here everyday. It's contributing greatly to my growing misery.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12307738)



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Date: July 21st, 2009 6:26 PM
Author: Vivacious Flirting Forum Doctorate

rofl. gl in august/sept

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12307779)



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Date: July 21st, 2009 6:33 PM
Author: Motley slap-happy coldplay fan house

you also enjoy laughing at others' misfortune, eh?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12307868)



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Date: July 21st, 2009 6:35 PM
Author: Vivacious Flirting Forum Doctorate

I was expressing my agreement with your final sentence (xo breeds misery), Mr. Paranoid.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12307891)



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Date: July 21st, 2009 6:39 PM
Author: Motley slap-happy coldplay fan house

o sorry dood.

Sometimes this place makes me feel like I have my back against the wall of a snake pit, with nothing but a bowie knife and a pack of cigarettes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12307909)



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Date: July 21st, 2009 6:43 PM
Author: vibrant bistre hell chad

more like you're taking a leak against the wall and completely unaware that the vipers are creeping up behind you with a clear shot at your ass.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031022&forum_id=2#12307951)