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class ranking for clerkship applications
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Date: September 7th, 2010 8:44 PM Author: razzle-dazzle locus schools really need to stop taking away class rankings for clerkship applicants. when you get around 1000 applications and about 1/3 of them don't have class rankings, you end up throwing out most of the 1/3 unless the applicant appears superhuman. no one wants to troll through 300 law school transcripts to get a feel on how well an applicant did in school. it's even more annoying when career services sends your judge a 2 page explanation on how students are graded and (stanford) how elite and prestigious it is to get an H or whatever. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1417262&forum_id=2#15990029) |
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Date: September 7th, 2010 8:45 PM Author: soul-stirring sadistic house newt so HYSC are at a disadvantage then? they don't give pre-graduation rankings (and YC no rankings ever) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1417262&forum_id=2#15990039) |
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Date: September 7th, 2010 8:49 PM Author: razzle-dazzle locus yep. sad because if all applicants were weighed equally they would probably beat the shit out of all these T1 top 10ers.
actually, if a judge is looking to hire from only a few schools it is obviously not a disadvantage. a lot of judges do this. a lot of judges do not. |
Date: September 7th, 2010 8:48 PM Author: exciting primrose water buffalo Agreed. Most of the applications that I pulled for my judge are from students at T14s that still rank. Much easier to see that someone is in the top 5%. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1417262&forum_id=2#15990055) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 9:42 AM Author: dull flickering area athletic conference oh yeah I forgot that everyone on XO is at least marginally competitive to clerk for SCOTUS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1417262&forum_id=2#15993926) |
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Date: September 7th, 2010 9:00 PM Author: Vibrant buff nowag garrison Do you guys look at every app? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1417262&forum_id=2#15990143) |
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Date: September 7th, 2010 9:01 PM Author: razzle-dazzle locus glance at resume at least (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1417262&forum_id=2#15990160) |
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Date: September 7th, 2010 9:03 PM Author: thriller step-uncle's house dysfunction My chambers does, but we don't use OSCAR... since OSCAR allows you to narrow down the list of applicants based on set criteria, it's far more likely your app will be read if you apply to non-OSCAR judges. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1417262&forum_id=2#15990168) |
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Date: September 7th, 2010 9:08 PM Author: Vibrant buff nowag garrison by criterial you mean school and journal? I didn't see where you enter your gpa on OSCAR....
I guess you can enter your rank if school ranks... |
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Date: September 7th, 2010 9:09 PM Author: razzle-dazzle locus school, journal, class rank, date applied, prior clerkship, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1417262&forum_id=2#15990232) |
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Date: September 7th, 2010 9:12 PM Author: exciting primrose water buffalo Very quick glance, but only spend more than a few seconds on about 10 percent of them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1417262&forum_id=2#15990275) |
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Date: September 7th, 2010 9:13 PM Author: soul-stirring sadistic house newt if the person's school doesn't rank, what is likely to make you take a closer look at the person's resume/materials? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1417262&forum_id=2#15990285) |
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Date: September 7th, 2010 9:18 PM Author: exciting primrose water buffalo If the transcript is almost all H's (or whatever crap the schools use for highest grade), and there is LR, I'll look more closely. But we mostly consider Harvard/Stanford students only if their profs call. They really do need to go back to class ranking. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1417262&forum_id=2#15990344) |
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Date: September 7th, 2010 9:18 PM Author: buck-toothed den useless brakes is Yale just on a different level then? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1417262&forum_id=2#15990352) |
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Date: September 7th, 2010 9:23 PM Author: razzle-dazzle locus lulz (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1417262&forum_id=2#15990409) |
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Date: September 7th, 2010 9:25 PM Author: buck-toothed den useless brakes lol I'm serious. I didn't think Yale was so much ahead of Harvard/Stanford that those students need a prof to call to get the app looked at whereas Yale ones don't. It doesn't sound right given clerkship placement stats. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1417262&forum_id=2#15990418) |
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Date: September 7th, 2010 9:28 PM Author: razzle-dazzle locus by harvard/stanford, he meant t14 schools that do not rank (including yale) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1417262&forum_id=2#15990432) |
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Date: September 7th, 2010 9:30 PM Author: exciting primrose water buffalo yeah. boalt also. i think there's one other, but they all blend together.
though it's not as bad as the massive number of seton hall apps that we receive in hard copy (even though we accept online apps) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 1:02 AM Author: umber hominid Boalt apps at least have HH grades, which correspond to top 10-15%. But now the Stanford and Harvard apps all look the same, because they give out Hs there like candy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1417262&forum_id=2#15992469) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 1:07 AM Author: low-t institution coldplay fan what level of judge are you at? competitive district? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1417262&forum_id=2#15992499) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 9:41 PM Author: razzle-dazzle locus around 1000 apps and it is a flyover. the idea that any district is non-competitive is a joke these days. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1417262&forum_id=2#15999005) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 1:08 AM Author: Bronze Codepig Yarmulke rofl you epic fucking faggot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1417262&forum_id=2#15992512) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 9:02 AM Author: buck-toothed den useless brakes lol u so mad? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1417262&forum_id=2#15993829) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 9:49 PM Author: domesticated deep blood rage what about UChicago grades. We're on the 186 scale and we don't rank. There are honors designations at graduation and the top 5% or so get K&E scholar status during law school. LR is grade-on partially.
Anyhow, how do you interpret uchi if you've ever run across it? We do indicate in the transcript guide the rough class ranks and are supposed to attach that to the transcript |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 9:52 PM Author: Lilac circlehead range Sounds like needless obfuscation. If you're going to give the materials for people to compute a rough class rank, why not just provide the damn rank? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1417262&forum_id=2#15999100) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 9:58 PM Author: domesticated deep blood rage cuz we want to be RIGOROUS, but not TOO RIGOROUS. The school does "rank" since there is coif and LR grade-on. They just don't tell you it and not sure if there's any way to find out (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1417262&forum_id=2#15999150) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 10:39 PM Author: brindle nubile gay wizard heaven the difference is that dennis hutchinson knows where people rank, and gives them advice on which chambers they would be competitive for (and occasionally hooks it up). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1417262&forum_id=2#15999551) |