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Book rec for boys ?

any books you read or wish you had read in high school? look...
copper laughsome whorehouse
  12/18/25
I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderso...
spruce site sound barrier
  12/18/25
https://www.ebay.com/itm/276841789712? Reasonable price, ...
onyx sadistic range
  12/18/25
...
Stirring Smoky Abode
  12/18/25
"There's a trip to the farmers market and time for toys...
trip adulterous goyim shitlib
  12/19/25
this is now forever in my search history I want you dead,...
trip adulterous goyim shitlib
  12/19/25
mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel
Kink-friendly Stage Codepig
  12/18/25
A few offhand: -On the Shortness of Life - Seneca -Sta...
Green Native Internal Respiration
  12/18/25
https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922329&mc=32&a...
trip adulterous goyim shitlib
  12/19/25
or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of...
stubborn faggotry corner
  12/19/25
The Illustrated Man Odyssey The International Jew 1984 M...
ungodly vivacious principal's office
  12/18/25
Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters
Soul-stirring chest-beating garrison
  12/18/25
i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer readin...
copper laughsome whorehouse
  12/18/25
Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Ce...
Soul-stirring chest-beating garrison
  12/18/25
they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your...
copper laughsome whorehouse
  12/18/25
180
Soul-stirring chest-beating garrison
  12/18/25
The eyes and the impossible sourdough heart of samurai...
Mint Fragrant Stead
  12/18/25
rocket boys is 180
Black Theater Stage Jewess
  12/18/25
Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo
Mint Fragrant Stead
  12/18/25
...
Black Theater Stage Jewess
  12/19/25
weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party...
stubborn faggotry corner
  12/22/25
CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" thos...
lake cruise ship mexican
  12/18/25
he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that&rsq...
copper laughsome whorehouse
  12/18/25
The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)
mind-boggling flickering hall
  12/18/25
ty for the recs, this is helpful i just asked him what bo...
copper laughsome whorehouse
  12/18/25
Waste of time unless he's secretly 30+ years old and has rea...
cordovan stimulating institution incel
  12/18/25
seconding count of monte cristo three musketeers is also ...
glittery therapy private investor
  12/18/25
JackTales 🤡😳
embarrassed to the bone irradiated personal credit line base
  12/18/25
those are for reading out loud , clown
Mint Fragrant Stead
  12/18/25
The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton https://www.amazon...
Maize Comical Fanboi
  12/18/25
Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz) We Were Soldiers Once… And...
Big-titted Theatre
  12/18/25
are you seriously recommending a book on manhood written by ...
drunken yarmulke set
  12/18/25
I’m not even sure which author you’re talking ab...
Big-titted Theatre
  12/18/25
lol
drunken yarmulke set
  12/18/25
he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers &qu...
topaz tattoo
  12/21/25
Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000
Black Theater Stage Jewess
  12/18/25
No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a bet...
Big-titted Theatre
  12/18/25
James Bond novels Conan (only read the flemming and howard...
deep talented masturbator
  12/18/25
The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.
Green Native Internal Respiration
  12/18/25
Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 ...
deep talented masturbator
  12/18/25
Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new boo...
Green Native Internal Respiration
  12/18/25
1. Goldfinger 2. Moonraker 3. Casino Royale 4. From Russ...
deep talented masturbator
  12/19/25
tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I th...
Green Native Internal Respiration
  12/21/25
cr
Black Theater Stage Jewess
  12/18/25
Anabasis
Curious umber senate
  12/18/25
...
drunken yarmulke set
  12/18/25
Flowers for Algernon
cerise church building regret
  12/18/25
The Lessons of History - Will & Ariel Durant Man's Sear...
drunken yarmulke set
  12/18/25
a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it...
Cream Trailer Park Laser Beams
  12/18/25
Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in ...
Plum beta chapel mad cow disease
  12/18/25
Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?) Zen and the Art of Motorc...
Vigorous piazza famous landscape painting
  12/18/25
> Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance lol
drunken yarmulke set
  12/18/25
read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class i...
copper laughsome whorehouse
  12/18/25
zorba the greek
Black Theater Stage Jewess
  12/18/25
...
Big-titted Theatre
  12/18/25
Several good recs already upthread. Some others: The Thin...
lake cruise ship mexican
  12/18/25
Cr. list I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit ov...
Big-titted Theatre
  12/18/25
The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorit...
flatulent foreskin stag film
  12/18/25
...
lake cruise ship mexican
  12/18/25
agree with the first sentence and rec. need to exercise cau...
topaz tattoo
  12/22/25
Watership Down A Day No Pigs Would Die 2nd Where the R...
Mildly autistic heady hell
  12/18/25
...
Domesticated lay prole
  12/18/25
Starship Troopers Enders Game Johnny Tremain Childhoods E...
Jade Macaca
  12/18/25
A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES
trip adulterous goyim shitlib
  12/19/25
Neon Bible better rec for younger kid
Curious umber senate
  12/19/25
abridged edgar allen poe short stories
contagious parlour
  12/19/25
https://kommandostore.com/products/republic-of-south-africa-...
Sexy brindle double fault scourge upon the earth
  12/26/25


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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:03 PM
Author: copper laughsome whorehouse

any books you read or wish you had read in high school? looking for something that would be motivating / tools for life genre

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519424)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:15 PM
Author: spruce site sound barrier

I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderson (Broken Sword, Three Hearts and Three Lions) Fritz Lieber (Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser) etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519444)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:19 PM
Author: onyx sadistic range

https://www.ebay.com/itm/276841789712?

Reasonable price, free shipping.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519452)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: Stirring Smoky Abode



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519458)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:35 AM
Author: trip adulterous goyim shitlib

"There's a trip to the farmers market and time for toys and crayons, a bubble bath, and lots of love."

-- School Library Journal

"Will undoubtedly be scooped up by families seeking queer representation in board books."

-- Kirkus

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521596)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:42 AM
Author: trip adulterous goyim shitlib

this is now forever in my search history

I want you dead, Malk Poo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521719)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: Kink-friendly Stage Codepig

mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519459)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:22 PM
Author: Green Native Internal Respiration

A few offhand:

-On the Shortness of Life - Seneca

-Starship Troopers (the book is much better and more serious than the movie)

-Bonfire of the Vanities

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519460)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:10 AM
Author: trip adulterous goyim shitlib

https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922329&mc=32&forum_id=2#35633765

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521571)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 9:32 AM
Author: stubborn faggotry corner

or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of his vanities

toughens him up a bit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49522050)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:23 PM
Author: ungodly vivacious principal's office

The Illustrated Man

Odyssey

The International Jew

1984

Meditations

The Myth of Sisyphus

Hamlet

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519465)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:27 PM
Author: Soul-stirring chest-beating garrison

Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519476)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: copper laughsome whorehouse

i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer reading assignments



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519493)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:34 PM
Author: Soul-stirring chest-beating garrison

Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Celestine Prophecy, Lord of the Flies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519513)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: copper laughsome whorehouse

they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your other recs, ty!

he just finished peak, so hatchet is a good one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519523)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:45 PM
Author: Soul-stirring chest-beating garrison

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519559)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:01 PM
Author: Mint Fragrant Stead

The eyes and the impossible

sourdough

heart of samurai

artemis

rocket boys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519953)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:13 PM
Author: Black Theater Stage Jewess

rocket boys is 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520282)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:18 PM
Author: Mint Fragrant Stead

Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521280)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:34 AM
Author: Black Theater Stage Jewess



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521595)



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 10:54 AM
Author: stubborn faggotry corner

weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party scene at my rural West Virginia high school

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49530601)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:54 PM
Author: lake cruise ship mexican

CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" those by HS, especially later in HS?

My 7 year old just read--and really enjoyed--Hatchet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519755)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:00 PM
Author: copper laughsome whorehouse

he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that’s more his reading level

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519767)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:28 PM
Author: mind-boggling flickering hall

The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519483)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: copper laughsome whorehouse

ty for the recs, this is helpful

i just asked him what book he’s reading (we’re on a flight) and its war and peace

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519489)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:24 PM
Author: cordovan stimulating institution incel

Waste of time unless he's secretly 30+ years old and has read tons of other Russian lit and has a solid grounding in religion and philosophy.

Count of Monte Cristo is a goat novel that is also accessible and really exciting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519679)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:29 PM
Author: glittery therapy private investor

seconding count of monte cristo

three musketeers is also great and vastly superior to any adaptation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519686)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: embarrassed to the bone irradiated personal credit line base

JackTales 🤡😳

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519490)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:02 PM
Author: Mint Fragrant Stead

those are for reading out loud , clown



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519956)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: Maize Comical Fanboi

The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton

https://www.amazon.com/Boy-Pink-Hair-Perez-Hilton/dp/0451234200

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519492)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:32 PM
Author: Big-titted Theatre

Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz)

We Were Soldiers Once… And Young (Moore & Galloway)

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage (Lansing)

The Way of Men (Donovan)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519502)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:35 PM
Author: drunken yarmulke set

are you seriously recommending a book on manhood written by a homo?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519701)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:45 PM
Author: Big-titted Theatre

I’m not even sure which author you’re talking about, though I’m 99.99% sure that it’s not Moore or Galloway

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519724)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:41 PM
Author: drunken yarmulke set

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519873)



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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:48 PM
Author: topaz tattoo

he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers "androphile," a term he uses to describe romance and sex between masculine men

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Donovan

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49528627)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:46 PM
Author: Black Theater Stage Jewess

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519898)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:28 PM
Author: Big-titted Theatre

No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a better idea of what it means to be a man and to experience the thrill, the triumph, of surviving impossible odds. Leadership, loyalty, discipline. And then they get home and are like, fuck it, sign me up for WWI’s trenches

My middle son needed a bit of coaching on perseverance, so we read this together and then did a HARD AS FUCK mountain bike camping trip in western NC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520739)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:33 PM
Author: deep talented masturbator

James Bond novels

Conan (only read the flemming and howard originals though)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519505)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:39 PM
Author: Green Native Internal Respiration

The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519535)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:51 PM
Author: deep talented masturbator

Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 or so) in a summer. all were 180. I tried reading the non-flemming but its not the same. They don't write novels like that anymore.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519587)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:50 PM
Author: Green Native Internal Respiration

Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new books to read.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519744)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 10:06 AM
Author: deep talented masturbator

1. Goldfinger

2. Moonraker

3. Casino Royale

4. From Russia With Love

5. On Her Majesty's Secret Service

the order changes based on mood but these five are in a tier above.

the rest are all solid. for example, Diamonds are Forever is my least favorite and that is still leagues better than any modern espionage novel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49522101)



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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:44 PM
Author: Green Native Internal Respiration

tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I think.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49528612)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:46 PM
Author: Black Theater Stage Jewess

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519729)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:42 PM
Author: Curious umber senate

Anabasis

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519542)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: drunken yarmulke set



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519572)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:43 PM
Author: cerise church building regret

Flowers for Algernon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519548)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: drunken yarmulke set

The Lessons of History - Will & Ariel Durant

Man's Search for Meaning - Viktor Frankl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519568)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:55 PM
Author: Cream Trailer Park Laser Beams

a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it. great series for boys who like knights, politics, and violence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519602)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:30 PM
Author: Plum beta chapel mad cow disease

Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in the series

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519689)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:36 PM
Author: Vigorous piazza famous landscape painting

Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?)

Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

Dune

anything recent by Lawrence Millman

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519705)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:37 PM
Author: drunken yarmulke set

> Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519706)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:01 PM
Author: copper laughsome whorehouse

read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class in hs. book was so so but class was 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519770)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:38 PM
Author: Black Theater Stage Jewess

zorba the greek



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519710)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:49 PM
Author: Big-titted Theatre



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519736)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:53 PM
Author: lake cruise ship mexican

Several good recs already upthread. Some others:

The Things They Carried

Mark Twain--starting with Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn

1984

The Lord of the Rings Trilogy (and throw in The Hobbit)

Infinite Jest

Moby Dick

Blood Meridian

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519751)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:30 PM
Author: Big-titted Theatre

Cr. list

I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit overexposed to the hopelessly feminized librarian space for a time and was looked down upon as kind of trite. But it’s 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520745)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:55 PM
Author: flatulent foreskin stag film

The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorite. You shouldn't look down on librarian recs. This is all they do

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520815)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:12 PM
Author: lake cruise ship mexican



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521254)



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 11:44 AM
Author: topaz tattoo

agree with the first sentence and rec. need to exercise caution with the second and third sentences just given that the values may not be stoic masculine warrior

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49530736)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:09 PM
Author: Mildly autistic heady hell

Watership Down

A Day No Pigs Would Die

2nd Where the Red Fern Grows

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520246)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:33 PM
Author: Domesticated lay prole



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520756)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:40 PM
Author: Jade Macaca

Starship Troopers

Enders Game

Johnny Tremain

Childhoods End

Rama



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520778)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:16 AM
Author: trip adulterous goyim shitlib

A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521578)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:11 AM
Author: Curious umber senate

Neon Bible better rec for younger kid

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521698)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:23 AM
Author: contagious parlour

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