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query: do top schools lower your grade for lack of participation
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Date: September 1st, 2010 7:39 PM Author: crimson aphrodisiac therapy heaven Thank you in advance kind sir. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1411819&forum_id=2#15941876) |
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Date: September 1st, 2010 7:39 PM Author: Pink Church Top50? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1411819&forum_id=2#15941878) |
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Date: September 1st, 2010 7:40 PM Author: crimson aphrodisiac therapy heaven More like do schools in the T14 do it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1411819&forum_id=2#15941884) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:46 PM Author: Bat-shit-crazy Hateful Milk Space Not so subtle U of Utah trolling (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1411819&forum_id=2#15947520) |
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Date: September 1st, 2010 7:39 PM Author: crimson aphrodisiac therapy heaven If so, by how many grade increments.
Stories appreciated. |
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Date: September 1st, 2010 7:42 PM Author: ruby water buffalo To my knowledge, at most schools profs have the discretion to modestly raise or lower grades based on participation. I'm not sure if this is done pre- or post-curve.
I don't really have any stories, but I suspect my grade was lowered on more than one occasion because I stopped going to class after Sept. of 2L year. |
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Date: September 1st, 2010 7:43 PM Author: crimson aphrodisiac therapy heaven Why is this allowed? I really don't understand these policies. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1411819&forum_id=2#15941915) |
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Date: September 1st, 2010 7:44 PM Author: Pink Church Because law students are dickless faggots and take it in the ass from college with a big fat smile! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1411819&forum_id=2#15941920) |
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Date: September 1st, 2010 7:46 PM Author: crimson aphrodisiac therapy heaven curious response, very peculiar actually. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1411819&forum_id=2#15941943) |
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Date: September 1st, 2010 7:48 PM Author: ruby water buffalo It's a great incentive to 1) attend class and 2) participate.
I've taught at the undergraduate level before, and I can tell you that I hated to call people out for poor attendance, and also, teaching class where nobody participates is a demoralizing experience (and it makes things pedagogically difficult). So I think as a matter of just encouraging people to be good students, it's a pretty sound policy. |
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Date: September 1st, 2010 7:50 PM Author: Pink Church Did you ever have the weird kids who frequently skipped class but made extra effort to visit you outside of office hours and actually attempted to participate?
If so, how did you think of them? |
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Date: September 1st, 2010 7:55 PM Author: ruby water buffalo In my experience, these people were generally deadbeats and never did well in my classes. By and large, the gunners ended up being the best students, and my favorites, since they put in effort, even if it was not motivated by a genuine desire to learn the material. They at least pretended to grapple with what I was teaching them, and that went a long way with me.
I mean, I skipped 2/3 of my classes in law school, so I'm not judging. |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:48 PM Author: buck-toothed property liquid oxygen Yeah, but what about the doods who never showed up and you thought they were deadbeats and then you get back the results from the anonymous testing and they got one of the best scores? Did you still think they were deadbeats then? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1411819&forum_id=2#15947539) |
Date: September 1st, 2010 7:40 PM Author: insane goyim at my ttt14 they definitely did for seminars, but you could still pull a B/B- without ever showing up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1411819&forum_id=2#15941885) |
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Date: September 1st, 2010 7:44 PM Author: pontificating forum feces depends on the prof (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1411819&forum_id=2#15941921) |
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Date: September 1st, 2010 7:47 PM Author: crimson aphrodisiac therapy heaven interesting comment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1411819&forum_id=2#15941951) |
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Date: September 1st, 2010 7:45 PM Author: Pink Church I forgot to say that you need to be an Illusions Master Man (stealth gunner). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1411819&forum_id=2#15941932) |
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Date: September 1st, 2010 7:48 PM Author: Startled church building idiot no (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1411819&forum_id=2#15941958) |
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Date: September 1st, 2010 7:56 PM Author: excitant scarlet messiness trailer park Fairly sure mine was lowered for at least one. Prof kept track of cold calls with a seating chart and I went so infrequently I wasn't even on it. The faggoty thing is that they don't tell you if it was lowered, so it's possible I'm just dumber than I think. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1411819&forum_id=2#15942051) |
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Date: September 1st, 2010 7:56 PM Author: Marvelous elastic band At NYU, prof's are permitted to raise/lower grades in lecture classes by at most a half-letter. Around 20% completely disregard participation; 40% employ the system in such a way as to only negatively affect unprepared students; and 40% use it to both punish unpreparedness and reward those who make special contributions to class discussions on a regular basis.
I'm usually prepared but seldom contribute to discussions. I sense that this has reduced my GPA modestly--not enough to entice me to really participate. |
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Date: September 1st, 2010 9:03 PM Author: Trip Theatre At Chicago there were definitely some that lowered my grade about 2-4 points (basically from B+ or B down to B-) for not showing up to about 1/2 the classes. Total BS, because it wasn't in the syllabus, but it wasn't like I could defend not going to class in an appeal of some sort. Didn't find this out 'til I looked at some of my old tests in the archives 3rd year. The nonparticipation deduction was written right on the tests. Sometimes it was inverse, like everyone who went to class got +2 t o+4 points, but it was the same net effect. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1411819&forum_id=2#15942573) |
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Date: September 1st, 2010 9:46 PM Author: ruby water buffalo I think at a lot of schools, the Academic Standards Handbook (or whatever it is called) lays out the law school's grading policy and explicitly says that professors have the discretion to raise or lower grades based on participation. So it probably doesn't have to be in the syllabus for it to be legit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1411819&forum_id=2#15942982) |
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Date: September 1st, 2010 9:56 PM Author: Marvelous elastic band At NYU, profs are required to tell students whether there is a participation component to grading before the add/drop period ends. This strikes me as being a very sensible policy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1411819&forum_id=2#15943083) |
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Date: September 1st, 2010 9:59 PM Author: Trip Theatre It doesn't have to be illegitimate to be bullshit.
And screw you for taking their side. If I can do well on their test despite showing up to class, I should either get a boost for being smart enough to use my time efficiently or the teachers should get fired for adding no value to my education. This isn't fucking kindergarten where you get a goddamn bumper sticker for perfect attendance. |
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Date: September 1st, 2010 10:03 PM Author: ruby water buffalo I would agree with that, w/r/t law school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1411819&forum_id=2#15943158) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 11:23 AM Author: Bateful stage I got an A on a final (checked) but an A- in civ pro. I wasn't paying attention when I was cold called. And I think I missed 1 more class than syllabus permitted.
I'm pretty sure attendance also affected a few smaller classes. One prof had sent an email when I missed like 3 weeks in a row. |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:34 PM Author: Big boiling water For 1L or 2L classes? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1411819&forum_id=2#15947416) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2010 12:53 PM Author: Rambunctious Wine Patrolman Locus T6. I had a grade lowered from an A to A- but my performance was abhorrent. We knew exactly when we would be called on and what material we'd be responsible for, but I still never prepared. I guess if anyone deserved it, I did. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1411819&forum_id=2#15947572) |